Is the BP Market ready for another breeder?

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Originally Posted by CapeFearConstrictors

But... if you try sometimes you might find that you get what you need :D

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I actually wanted to link that song from YouTube, but I'm at work and can't get on... ;)

In regards to dc5 and the breeder he knows that culls normals, I would strongly suggest that if you feel uncomfortable telling us who he is (only assuming it's a he because you referred to him as such in your posts), you have him come on the forums to identify himself.

My thought is that the only reason why this breeder would not make it public knowledge that he culls normals is that he knows that his actions are wrong. If he didn't think it was wrong, he could surely make an argument for himself that would bypass any serious, at at least widespread, condemnation. People should be aware of the practices of breeders that they're buying from, and unless breeders are transparent about these things, there's really no telling. I'm not saying these things because I want to see the guy crucified on the forums, I simply think if one decides to cull normals, they better have a well thought out reason to do so.

Anywho, these are just my thoughts about it. I think a name would be very valuable, as would an explanation from your breeder friend. If the breeder is too afraid or ashamed to do so in a public forum, my only conclusion would be that he himself knows what he's doing is wrong, and doesn't want to lose business as a result of his actions. If even he recognizes that what he is doing is gray, I don't think anyone, friend or foe, should be protecting him.

Cheers,
-Matt

you gotta be a sick pup to kill off healthy snakes i just give them away most of the time or i make rm for the ones i cant.

I don't doubt that there are people in this world that are stupid enough to freeze off their healthy normals. I have a hard time believing that the practice is widespread, particularly with large breeders. A large scale breeder produces snakes to make money. Those normals are worth money. They are still a source of income, particularly if you get a lot of them. Say they get 20 normals......who do you know that would throw away $200 bucks? A large scale breeder might produce hundreds, and that is a lot of profit to be tossing in a freezer and throwing away.

I have heard of possible hets sold as normals from a guy I know who buys them for his pet shop. If it's not a new morph and a visual male breeder is relatively inexpensive, I can see it happening. After all, how much is someone going to pay for a 50% het albino male? 100% het albino and pied males are going for very little and don't seem to be easy to move. But even if it's being sold as a normal that is still money in the breeder's pocket and the breeders who I know don't despise money.

I didn't realize that by saying I know someone who is a breeder who freezes their normals i would have to give you their name or have them come onto the site to get flogged by all of you i'll keep it to myself from now on i really am sorry

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Originally Posted by Atherosdragon

I didn't realize that by saying I know someone who is a breeder who freezes their normals i would have to give you their name or have them come onto the site to get flogged by all of you i'll keep it to myself from now on i really am sorry

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I don't think anyone meant to flog you. :) It's just a very touchy subject.

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Originally Posted by Matt K

My thought is that the only reason why this breeder would not make it public knowledge that he culls normals is that he knows that his actions are wrong.

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I don't make it public knowledge to my neighbors that I keep numerous snakes. Is that because I know my actions are 'wrong'?

Here's a hypothetical:

What if someone wanted to sell off the normals as feeders?

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Originally Posted by Matt K

In regards to dc5 and the breeder he knows that culls normals, I would strongly suggest that if you feel uncomfortable telling us who he is (only assuming it's a he because you referred to him as such in your posts), you have him come on the forums to identify himself.

My thought is that the only reason why this breeder would not make it public knowledge that he culls normals is that he knows that his actions are wrong. If he didn't think it was wrong, he could surely make an argument for himself that would bypass any serious, at at least widespread, condemnation. People should be aware of the practices of breeders that they're buying from, and unless breeders are transparent about these things, there's really no telling. I'm not saying these things because I want to see the guy crucified on the forums, I simply think if one decides to cull normals, they better have a well thought out reason to do so.

Anywho, these are just my thoughts about it. I think a name would be very valuable, as would an explanation from your breeder friend. If the breeder is too afraid or ashamed to do so in a public forum, my only conclusion would be that he himself knows what he's doing is wrong, and doesn't want to lose business as a result of his actions. If even he recognizes that what he is doing is gray, I don't think anyone, friend or foe, should be protecting him.

Cheers,
-Matt

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I disagree; I want to see the name of the person doing this, AND I want to see him crucified on any forum that he is a member of! RIGHT HERE is where we as reptile lovers need to step up and dispell the myth or condemn the offender BEFORE the general public/press gets ahold of this! WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE BAD PRESS!!
It's already been a bad year for us, try not to make it worse.

My apologies to the OP, I didn't mean to help hijack his thread!

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Originally Posted by Redneck_Crow

I have heard of possible hets sold as normals from a guy I know who buys them for his pet shop. If it's not a new morph and a visual male breeder is relatively inexpensive, I can see it happening. After all, how much is someone going to pay for a 50% het albino male? 100% het albino and pied males are going for very little and don't seem to be easy to move.

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That's what I do...

Convincing people that they need Het Males is almost like convincing them that they need Normals. It's not easy when people are out to make morphs quickly.

the question is are you ready financially to support feeding\housing\heating etc. If so then go for it. The money is what ever but producing snakes youve always wanted yourself is what its all about. Goodluck in what ever you do. Normals are just as valuable to me as any other morph. Ill keep the females and sell or give them to friends I know who want snakes. I sold a 66% het ghost male hatchling to a friend of mine about a year back maybe longer and she absolutely adores him. So for anyone to just freeze them off is retarded imo. But everyone has there reasons.