Seems like there are a lot of illegally kept animals here...

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Originally Posted by CatandDiallo

So, you've never done anything illegal?

Underage drinking, perhaps? Smoking a little weed? *The list can go on, and on*

Let people live their own lives, and worry about your own.

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this statement alone shows your maturity level.
weed is a worthless drug. and no i dont smoke it. drinking is a legal activity that has an age restriction when i was underage i did drink yes. keeping illegal animals...nope, not on my things to do. condoning any illegal animal activity at a time when the government is trying to make laws against any ownership, just shows how little you actually care for our hobby. when you grow up you may see things in a diff light. if you dont grow up then ill see you on cops or in the newspaper.
adam jeffery

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Originally Posted by adamjeffery

this statement alone shows your maturity level.
weed is a worthless drug. and no i dont smoke it. drinking is a legal activity that has an age restriction when i was underage i did drink yes. keeping illegal animals...nope, not on my things to do. condoning any illegal animal activity at a time when the government is trying to make laws against any ownership, just shows how little you actually care for our hobby. when you grow up you may see things in a diff light. if you dont grow up then ill see you on cops or in the newspaper.
adam jeffery

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I'm not sure how insulting her is going to help you get your point across. She has a differing opinion than you, which she is allowed to have.

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

Wait, I thought everything was illegal nowadays. Downloading music from the net is illegal too. Is everyone that downloads music shady? Just because the government says something is wrong, does that mean that it really is?

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As someone who writes and sells software as a living, I can answer that first part with a "yes."

Song writers spend thousands of hours practicing their craft, experimenting and creating their music. They have every right to dictate how the results of their work is handled. If they want to charge you to listen to it, that's their right and because it's their property, you should indeed pay for it. If you don't, you are stealing. You don't want to pay for it, don't listen to it. The sense of entitlement when it comes to music is astounding.

I spend 40-60 hours a week, every week working on our software. We have to not only pay my partner and I, but our other developers, our support technicians, our quality control testers and our marketing team. If someone wants to use our software, if they want to benefit from the hundreds of thousands of man hours that have been put into it, then they most certainly have to pay what we ask. Is it right that some people decide they don't want to pay our price, but want to benefit from all our hard work anyway?

Sorry for the tangent, but for someone who is directly affected in a negative way by piracy, this is an issue that's close to my heart.

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Originally Posted by AK907

I see people on here from places like New York City and other places that have very strict laws on animals that apparently keep and breed such animals that are clearly defined as illegal. Example: One guy on here says he is from NYC and posts that he keeps and breeds burms, retics, cobras and taipans, amongst others. He isn't the only one, there are lots. Anyone else find this a little shady? Am I missing some bylaws or something where keeping clearly defined illegal animals is legal for these people?

I don't have any problem with keeping such animals as long as proper care can be given, but I do follow the laws. Seeing these people raise a red flag for me.

So, what gives?

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Its entirely possible that the member in question is saying they are from NYC but does not live in the 5 borrows, but rather so close that its not worth making the minor distinction. Also its possible they live in NYC but raise the animals elsewhere. Its also possible the person has permits or has filed as a zoo.

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Originally Posted by adamjeffery

weed is a worthless drug.

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Monetarily worthless? Weed is actually very valuable. There is a thriving market for buying and selling it.

Effectively worthless? Weed will definitely produce an effect. Its even legal in some states for medicinal purposes of which it has more than a few.

I am not sure on what other basis you could call weed worthless. If you are merely referring to the fact that its illegal for recreational use then why not just say that, although it would be stating the obvious.

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Originally Posted by Egapal

Monetarily worthless? Weed is actually very valuable. There is a thriving market for buying and selling it.

Effectively worthless? Weed will definitely produce an effect. Its even legal in some states for medicinal purposes of which it has more than a few.

I am not sure on what other basis you could call weed worthless. If you are merely referring to the fact that its illegal for recreational use then why not just say that, although it would be stating the obvious.

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With over 25,000 uses from food, paint, and fuel to clothing, construction and medicine, Id also have to agree that the "weed is useless" statement was made in hast and HIGHly inaccurate.

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Originally Posted by Egapal

Its entirely possible that the member in question is saying they are from NYC but does not live in the 5 borrows, but rather so close that its not worth making the minor distinction. Also its possible they live in NYC but raise the animals elsewhere. Its also possible the person has permits or has filed as a zoo.

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Thank you! This is by far the best post on this thread!

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Originally Posted by AK907

Ok, I was just curious. I'm not trying to police them or cause any trouble. Most bans are ridiculous in my opinion. Just something I wondered because I see it a lot and I wasn't really singling out NYC, I just used that as an example because most are aware of that particular ban. I know some people on another forum who live in Georgia and they keep and raise corns, which I know is illegal. I've also met people in Ohio who have a pet eastern milk, which is another no-no. It just seems a lot of these bans are either ineffective, not enforced or have loop holes to get around them.

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MHM...most (if not all) Laws are written with the intention of providing loopholes to those who truly know how to navigate the system.

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Originally Posted by anthonym

You nailed it. Bans are ineffective. It much like drugs, just because you outlaw them, doesn't mean its going to stop people from obtaining them. Bans on animals aren't going to eliminate the animal trade in those states, its just going to make it move underground and involve people willing to take the risks. It's a very hard thing to regulate in reality and far too easy to maintain a collection of illegal animals without being caught.

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more like guns... The gun control laws only keep the firearms out of the hands of law abiding citizens, as those who obtain them illegally will do so whether there are laws in place or not.(safest places in the world are those that require every house to own a firearm btw)

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

I'm not sure how insulting her is going to help you get your point across. She has a differing opinion than you, which she is allowed to have.

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im not seeing an insult. an observation yes.
adam jeffery

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Originally Posted by pythoncrazy

Thank you! This is by far the best post on this thread!

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you must not of read Judy's post on page one