being sold as a pastel

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Originally Posted by pbjtime8908

natural light isnt possible today because of the rain and phone cameras suck especially with a wiggly snake. i knew he wasnt a pastel but i was thinking mojave or more likely black pastel. im not too good with spotting more subtle morphs though.

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You may actually be right about the Mojave, it does have a Mojave like pattern with the yellow/beige on top, and the greyish coloration on the sides. It also has some blushing, so it might be a pastave that is not showing much of the pastel.

Remember there are some animals that show their morphs well, and some that don't show much. The only way to be sure would be to breed him to normal females and see. Since both pastel and Mojave are dominant morph, you will see in the offspring what comes out.

I would definitely buy the animal if it was me, but would bargain the price down because of the poor condition of the sheds. Also maybe help the pet shop owner a bit, and tell him to give the snakes a bigger water bowl. Seems it's pretty dry in his shop.

SquamishSerpents I agree with what you are saying thats for sure. I dont know the situation exactly on these particular snakes. I dont think they had had them for long however, they didn't even have all of their prices up yet. I know really I was not to impressed with quality we just saw a cheap possible addition to our collection that we hope to breed in the future and wanted to know what was up with this particular snake as we are quite sure its not a normal and positive it was not a pastel.

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Originally Posted by aferland66

You may actually be right about the Mojave, it does have a Mojave like pattern with the yellow/beige on top, and the greyish coloration on the sides. It also has some blushing, so it might be a pastave that is not showing much of the pastel.

Remember there are some animals that show their morphs well, and some that don't show much. The only way to be sure would be to breed him to normal females and see. Since both pastel and Mojave are dominant morph, you will see in the offspring what comes out.

I would definitely buy the animal if it was me, but would bargain the price down because of the poor condition of the sheds. Also maybe help the pet shop owner a bit, and tell him to give the snakes a bigger water bowl. Seems it's pretty dry in his shop.

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Helping them would be a great thing to do. I know they just bought the shop themselves in May and are still contacting the original owner to sort things out. The owner seemed to have the right ideas as he wants to sex the snakes..so that may be a good start for him and his wife lol.

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Originally Posted by LadyOhh

That looks like a wierd Black Pastel looking thing... Not a Pastel

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X2 it is not a Pastel and it looks like a Black Pastel. Not Granit, Mojave or anything new. Seams like alot of people are putting down the shop owner without having any idea of how he/she maintains Their shop. It was stated that the animals came to the shop in that condition so I don't understand all of the bashing.

as drkness said this snake was brought in along with at least 2 normals all in one tank. i didnt have too much time to look at the normals but from what i saw they were in a similar condition of healthy looking with a little stuck shed. the browning i dont think is burns but ive also never seen a snake thats been burnt to any degree so that could be it.

the owner of the shop was super open about everything, including not knowing how to sex, where they got them from, that he's scared of snakes and lets his wife handle to reptiles and all the other questions we had.

i dont agree with how the husbandry is set up and even pointed out one baby normal bp who had a bunch of stuck shed on him and he told me he'd let his wife know when she got back to the store and unfortunately we had to leave before she got back.

me and drkness both knew right away that the snake wasnt a pastel but really had no real idea of wat morph it was and everything thats been suggested shows me thats its definitely something interesting for me and if the snake is still there when i get paid then ill definitely pick it up with natural light photos at the top of the list of things to do.

thnx again.