Now I'm worried - Help with Ball Pythons

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Originally Posted by Jay_Bunny

Checked on her just now. She is still wobbling, but she kept the meal down and is still alive. With how bad she looked last night this is surprising.

As far as location, the corn snake's tank was on the floor, the normal female was in a top tub about 3ft off the ground. This particular clutch are in tubs in the incubator (I have not had someone to help me build my rack until this weekend. It is getting built today and all the babies in the incubator are going into the rack.)

The apartment management is trying to get our apartment sprayed but so far we haven't let them come in to do it. They claim it is non-toxic but we told them we don't trust any bug killers so they are not to spray our apartment.

Now, when she was eating last night, she ate in a similar fashion to my spider female from Clutch #1. That spider would not eat and had to be assist fed several times. She hatched out at over 60g and went down to 43g (She's eating live only on her own and gaining weight. Now up to 49g). At one point she was so weak, she acted just like this pin, so I'm wondering (and in a sick way, hoping) it is just malnutrition causing her to lose motor control. All of the other snakes appear fine and will be fed today. I don't know of any herp vets in the area that are open on weekends, but if her condition has not improved by Sunday evening, I will try and make an appointment for Monday or Tuesday.

Thank you all for your advice. I'm trying to keep myself from worrying so much but if this isn't malnutrition, then I don't know what I'll do. These snakes are my babies! Not to mention I'm watching someone's snakes right now and I've had to tell her that she can't come get her snakes yet since the snakes would be going to a house with other reptiles. I don't want to risk more lives. She's okay with that but misses her babies.

Oh and I opened the little pins mouth last night to see if I could find any mucus or anything and her mouth was clear as far as I could tell. This morning she was curled up in her hide, the meal barely making a bulge in her tummy. But to my relief she is still alive and responsive. She did wobble when I lifted her hide but once I put it back, she went in, curled up and I left her alone. I'll be checking her tonight as I want to leave her alone as much as possible with that meal. I will try feeding her again in 4 days if she improves or the vet gives me the okay.

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Just a shot in the dark but if they want to spray your place odds are they have sprayed the units around you if you share any kind of ventilation/heating unit the spray may be the problem.
Last year I was going to spray the foundation of my house with a bugspray but after reading the back instructions and seeing they suggested closing all windows and sealing of the inside of my home I decided I would rather deal with ants than risk my pets health.
Again it is just a guess but where are these animals kept near windows / heat vents anything that could bring the chemicals in from another unit ? Sorry for your loss and hope you can get this figured out.

We may share ventilation. I'll have to find out as the units around us were sprayed but not recently. I think they were sprayed a few weeks ago.

She's still alive and moving around. I'll assist feed her another pinkie today. I may also give her a soak as I'm not sure if she's attempting to drink from the water dish. She doesn't seem coordinated enough.

Yikes....is putting an airfreshener in the snake room dangerous?? I put a freebreeze table top airfreshener a month ago - haven't noticed any problems. Just seen it posted here - should I not be putting an air freshener in their room.

Now I'm worried.

Thanks

I gave her a soak and I'm warming up her food now. I'll try to get a video of her eating it.

The pinstripe female has had 3 meals now. I just took her out to see how she is doing. She's still wobbly (much like a spider) but she's a little more coordinated. She's moving around a bit more (moving from hide to hide as she needs to for thermo-regulation.) I'm going to wait for her to poop before feeding her again but she is looking slightly better.

I also noted that when I was feeding her siblings, the spinner male has a very pronounced wobble. He has eaten on his own so its not affecting him but I'm wondering if the whole clutch might have some neurological problems. They all hatched out pretty small. Around 50g each. The spider female in the clutch has a very small wobble and the normal female doesn't have any wobble.

I haven't read through this whole thread but....are you sure your not seeing the typical spider gene wobble?

Its possible as the wobble is very similar. All of the babies I've produced this season with the spider gene have some kind of wobble. The bumblebees have it slightly, the spider female has it just like her father (only when she's excited) and this little pin has a wobble. Her father is a spider, but I am not aware of any normal or other morphs inheriting the spider wobble from a spider parent unless they are spiders as well.

I agree that they technically shouldn't have the wobble unless they have the spider gene, I didn't read the part where a normal had a wobble too (my mistake for not reading the whole thread lol). Maybe there's a genetic "wobble" that one of the parents carry (other than the spider wobble of course...).

Well, the normal I hatched out doesn't have the wobble, but all of her siblings do. The mother of this clutch was a 1350g pinstripe from 2007. The father was a 2007 700g spider. His wobble is obvious when he eats or gets excited about breeding.

Both spinners in this clutch have very obvious wobbles. The little spinner male I fed on Saturday kept rolling when he had the mouse in his mouth. He had constricted, but its like he couldn't orient himself after so he just kept rolling. After about a minute of this, he stopped, ate the mouse, had a head shake after he swallowed it, then was back to normal. But his head will shake when I open his tub or pick him up. His wobble is not severe enough that I'm worried. Just figured I'd post the extent of it.

This pin seems to be improving now that she has some food in her belly. She's still wobbling and is not coordinated but looking at her this morning, she's doing better. I'm am going to continue to monitor her progress and I'll try and take a video today of how she's moving so we can compare it with the first video.

How is your little pin doing today?