Dilemma - Keep or Return

keeeeeeeeeeeeeep herrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.lol:snake::snake::snake:

Are you positive he is a she? Reason I ask is that if sexing hatchlings means that males are pretty much 100% males, as hemipenes pop. It's "females" that are sometimes mis-sexed and are actually males.

Though I suppose a tub/deli cup label could have gotten screwed up somewhere.

The better question is how confident are you in sexing snakes. Unless they got mixed up you can't mistake a female for a male but mistaking a male for a female is possible.


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I agree.. If the person popping knows what they are doing, it's really obvious on a baby male. Those hemipenes stick out like long reddish antennae lol!

As I said before, I am 99.99% sure she is definitely a she. I popped her once, didnt see anything so I grabbed probes and got 3-4 deep on both sides. Then I had a second party pop her as well with the same result. This is my 4th year hatching out bps, and so far at least I havent missexed any of them (at least that Ive been told) so I am fairly confident about my abilities.

Also, the way the seller had them at the show was that there were 4 in the container marked "Male Kingpins". Im thinking that she got placed in the wrong group.

I think Ive decided to keep her. It puts me a year or two behind on my project, but if the female is going to be the kingpin then there are even more possibilities if I get a double codom male too :P

Finally, expecting a male and getting a female does happen. A few years back I picked up a male pastel as a show. This year that "male" laid the 5 eggs in my sterling clutch, lol.

The chances of that mistake happening once nevermind twice is rare! I have a male that myself or a friend could not get to pop out so I thought he may be female so I took him to a show and it took 4 breeders to finally get him to pop! I was told he was a shy male! LOL! He also probed at 3 to 4 scales! If you get 6 or 7 scales then you know for sure but I would get a well experienced breeder(10 years +) to sex it for you! It is better to check too much then to get an upset during breeding! Good luck!

Outof curiosity, how old was he? Ive heard of that with older animals but not with babies.

As to being dissapointed, I doubt that will happen. Considering my worst case is I get what I paid for, Im not terribly concerned about it.

I would keep her. Almost no one lets go of a female that nice. And not at that price.

If you really want something else you have prime trading material there. But I would hang on to her.

I was eyeballing those "guys" today too. I would let the breeder know but keep the animal.

She's hott I would keep her without a doubt but I would tell the seller about the mistake. Congrats she's veeerryy nice.