ball python female or is she a male trying to breed with my pastel male im lost

This photo tells the whole story, that normal is trying to or already has locked up the pastel, females do not do this, males do.
If the pastel is a male you're not going to make any babies this way :P
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/840/1004429j.jpg/

You should look up some popping videos on Youtube. Ralph Davis has a couple of good ones. Or, have someone (like a breeder) show you how, or do it for you.

At this point, the male should have sperm plugs come out when you try to pop them. You don't even need to get the hemipenes out, just see if sperm plugs come out. It's a dead giveaway for a male...

Since you know the pastel is def. a male, try him first and see if sperm plugs come out. He is definitely big enough to have them. Then you can see what they look like.

The pastel is a male and the normal is a female.i just probed them.i took the male out for some r&r. I know the three days on 3 days off rule. I have books and done alot of reading but i want to learn tricks of the trade.if there is any.

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Originally Posted by loonunit

...Dang, Quiet Tempest, that is a pretty colored pied! What do his pied babies look like?

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Thanks. He's on loan to me so I won't know what his babies look like for a little while yet. ;)

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Originally Posted by FINGAZZ

well the pastel is a deff a male the original owner i got him from has paper work from the breeder to prove it.the female normal was sexed from the original owner that had her since a baby told me it was a deff female.it took me some time to get her from the lady but i traded her a normal baby male i had for the big female.but i will deff check them when there done doin there thing.its crazy. i thought males no the diffrence between a male and female.

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Paperwork doesn't guarantee gender. Snakes that are sexed as female should really be sexed as "probable female" until she produces a clutch of eggs. Just my thought on the matter. I've heard from so many people who are frustrated after purchasing a female this or that only to find out later on that it's actually a male. Breeders can/do/will make mistakes.

Males that are sparring will lock, as is the case in the pic I posted earlier of the pied and pastel males. They are both boys, no doubt about it. The pied definitely has no affection for that pastel, either. That lock in the photo was preceded by just a few minutes of thrashing and puffing by both boys. It was really the only thing that put the pied into breeding mode.

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Originally Posted by clarkt

you should look up some popping videos on youtube. Ralph davis has a couple of good ones. Or, have someone (like a breeder) show you how, or do it for you.

At this point, the male should have sperm plugs come out when you try to pop them. You don't even need to get the hemipenes out, just see if sperm plugs come out. It's a dead giveaway for a male...

Since you know the pastel is def. A male, try him first and see if sperm plugs come out. He is definitely big enough to have them. Then you can see what they look like.

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i probed them both and the pastel is a male the probe only went in alittle bit as for the normal it went alot further then the male did so shes deff a she.im going to do it again just to double check but im a 100% as of right now.

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i probed them both and the pastel is a male the probe only went in alittle bit as for the normal it went alot further then the male did so shes deff a she.im going to do it again just to double check but im a 100% as of right now.

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You've got the sexes backwards - male's probe deep, females probe shallow. The probe is essentially gliding down into an inverted hemipene - so it will go further. The female just has tiny pockets where the male's hemipenes are.

http://www.vpi.com/publications/dete..._sex_of_snakes

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Originally Posted by abi21491

You've got the sexes backwards - male's probe deep, females probe shallow. The probe is essentially gliding down into an inverted hemipene - so it will go further. The female just has tiny pockets where the male's hemipenes are.

http://www.vpi.com/publications/dete..._sex_of_snakes

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your right i mixed them up when i typed it.male went pretty deep Female went vey little.sorry for THE mix up guys.nEWBIE ErROR.lol

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Originally Posted by FINGAZZ

your right i mixed them up when i typed it.male went pretty deep Female went vey little.sorry for THE mix up guys.nEWBIE ErROR.lol

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We all start somewhere. Don't sweat it. ;)

Suprised nobody has mentioned clenching males that won't let you probe them and deep probing females. I have one that goes 5 and 6 scales that gave me 8 eggs last year.........


I'd try and squeeze some plugs out to be sure.

I wonder if they are just Elton John......:D