Grab Bags?

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Originally Posted by SlitherinSisters

I suppose that's not terrible. $15 per snake, at least if they all turn out to be normals you aren't screwed.

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yah true I'm very curious about it but that ad the was posted really scared me abit. I mean I would love to get 2-3 bags and see what then sell the normals and keep the ones I rly like and make some money out of it.

Hi,

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Originally Posted by SiQ'

yah true I'm very curious about it but that ad the was posted really scared me abit. I mean I would love to get 2-3 bags and see what then sell the normals and keep the ones I rly like and make some money out of it.

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A word of caution about that.

A lot of people have had the same plan and realised too late that the animals you sell directly affect your reputation.

So, if you really think ahead, you will want to make sure the babies you sell on are all eating well and healthy. That could take time and will take money in housing and feeding costs etc. Housing 30 snakes takes generally isn't cheap and, for the reasons given above, you don't want to cut too many corners.

Since you cannot try and pass them off as CB and have to be honest about their source you may not get as much as you think per snake and they will be eating and basking their way through any possible profit every week. Mutliply that by 30 (if there turned out not to be any you like in the bags ) and it can quickly become a problem.

It may be wiser to think of it as recovering some of the money you spent on them initially rather than hoping for a profit. ;)

Not trying to put you off just pointing out planning ahead can avoid a lot of potential pitfalls. :gj:


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,



A word of caution about that.

A lot of people have had the same plan and realised too late that the animals you sell directly affect your reputation.

So, if you really think ahead, you will want to make sure the babies you sell on are all eating well and healthy. That could take time and will take money in housing and feeding costs etc. Housing 30 snakes takes generally isn't cheap and, for the reasons given above, you don't want to cut too many corners.

Since you cannot try and pass them off as CB and have to be honest about their source you may not get as much as you think per snake and they will be eating and basking their way through any possible profit every week. Mutliply that by 30 (if there turned out not to be any you like in the bags ) and it can quickly become a problem.

It may be wiser to think of it as recovering some of the money you spent on them initially rather than hoping for a profit. ;)

Not trying to put you off just pointing out planning ahead can avoid a lot of potential pitfalls. :gj:


dr del

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O know I 100% understand the housing and feeding and such I would not be concerned about. But like you said for every month or so you have them what you thought you were getting will just keep going down. I'm on the fence about it all in gernal I may try a bag and see what I get and how hard they are to get on feed and such. I would not jump into 30+ right off after alot of the reading I have read about them.

The dream crusher is at it again! :rofl: More great points...

To answer the caramel in question.

It is a new blood line of caramel that has some very nice areas of paradox black on it.
Yes it is kinked, but again it is a caramel, all lines kink.

Adding some fresh new blood to out breed existing lines kink or not will only help by out breeding the actual caramel gene, not just breeding it to normals / making hets from the same lines over and over.

As for the area above the kink, that is a small cut that is healed over with a old scab on top of it. It is not a big open wound or anything that is opened up at all.
The angle of the pics might make it look worse than it is, and that could be, but it is a adult animal with excellent color and good body weight.

Far from sick and dyeing..

As for the c.h babies, they start feeding and sell just as fast as c.b babies do.
The only difference is if you get a shipment that sat to long in Africa then they can be harder, and for that reason we will not take orders of babies that have sat around.
Soak them when they come in for their first drink of water and they are parasite free and good to go.

Animals in the wild are generally very healthy (or they would all die off) its the care that they get when being collected and the care they get here that separates the good from the bad.

We make sure to give them the best care possible when they come in and they are well kept when awaiting export as well.

After all, it they only died and did not eat then there would be no balls around, let alone morphs...

Also to be clear, I never said there were not ticks in Africa, there are.
There are no mites in Africa but there are ticks.

C.H babies do not have ticks on them when they come in as they are not crawling around in the wild, or sitting in a bin with the females.

When the eggs hatch the babies are taken out for export before any ticks can attach to the eggs.

i dont know u josh but i know ur reputation. what good does fresh blood from another kinked line??? and dont say that breeding old lines together is all we do. u know it probably better than i do. every year hunderts or thousands of caramels from africa come into the states and into europe. and theyre not kinked!

paradox isnt genetic- at least so far no one proved it to be and tbh i think we never will


i dont understand that. the goal is to get lines that dont kink- why bring kinked animals in??? and then for so much money???


its the best caramel ive ever seen- hands down- that was ur text. is that a joke???

could be an ultramel... doesnt look like one to me and everybody else who posted about the add.


its an adult wildcaught kinked snake with wounds on its back. u probably have it for a week or so. i cant imagine u have it treated and feed it for month and everything is just fine...


and even if (what i doubt)- the whole idea to bring kinked animals in with the goal to breed em (as the text showed) shows what a kind of person u are...

Hi,

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Originally Posted by joe23

i dont know u josh but i know ur reputation. what good does fresh blood from another kinked line???


i dont understand that. the goal is to get lines that dont kink- why bring kinked animals in??? and then for so much money???


its the best caramel ive ever seen- hands down- that was ur text. is that a joke???

could be an ultramel... doesnt look like one to me and everybody else who posted about the add.


its an adult wildcaught kinked snake with wounds on its back. u probably have it for a week or so. i cant imagine u have it treated and feed it for month and everything is just fine...


and even if (what i doubt)- the whole idea to bring kinked animals in with the goal to breed em (as the text showed) shows what a kind of person u are...

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That's a little on the harsh side isn't it?

All caramel lines seem to kink to one degree or another so, while I agree finding a new kink free bloodline is the ideal, it probably isn't going to happen with any regularity.

It is still a possibility the animal is less closely related to someones existing animal than any other captive bred visual caramel he can find. It depends on where the animal was caught and where the founding line of his existing animal was caught - and I haven't seen that info provided with anything except possibly the sub-saharans and enchi.

But if someone is really serious about new blood they wouldn't be using another example of the same morph I would have thought simply to reduce that problem.

I wish someone with the skinny would produce a "morph map" showing localities where the founding animals and later WC examples were found - but it will probably never happen. :(

I agree it doesn't look like an ultramel to me ( though I suck at that as I have demonstrated many times ) but I suspect the comment about the looks and the price are largely to do with the fact it is a paradox as well. Only Josh knows what he meant and why he said it though.

I also agree I wouldn't breed from it either because of the kink - but if paradox had been proven inheritable I might have been tempted. :oops:

But it's also worth noting there was no attempt to deceive anyone - the fact it was a kinked WC was clearly stated and the wound was visible in both pictures. If it was purchased unseen and that wasn't mentioned then I'd be down the front waving a pitchfork with the best of em.

I have no dog in this fight (seeing as I am on a different continent ) I just thought they were points worthy of discussion.


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

I wish someone with the skinny would produce a "morph map" showing localities where the founding animals and later WC examples were found - but it will probably never happen.

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Now that would be interesting...I wonder if records were kept to allow this???

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Originally Posted by dr del

Hi,



That's a little on the harsh side isn't it?

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i just cant stand his "tactics". its not just this add. its so much ive read and heard over the years about ian and josh and outback reptiles.


look at other adds. gravid wc ghost girls with wounds on their backs for 750$.

how long does he have them that he sells em. at least not longer than two month. i think more towards 2 weeks or so.

and then sell it and the poor guy who buys it has the trouble...

so many people got screwed by them- just search the boi on fauna


i just can give anyone the advice to do some research before considdering to buy from them.


@dr del- how could u quote my old text? i mean i edited it at 7:00 and u have the qoute from the old post at 7:22- why?