Incubator vs. Natural

If your a natural type of person I say why not do things the all natural way.
I would do the all natural way but Im not cool with losing eggs nor missing out on making a great looking ball python.

exactly my point.

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Originally Posted by LOSTCOAST_BALLZ

"Being a woman, it is always interesting to me that people treat pregnancy as a medical event. It is not. It's just a normal part of the life cycle. Hence, a lot of people prefer the midwife over an OB. The OB is only there when the event becomes a medical concern (complications such as pre-eclampsia, etc.)" in my mind this is for sure conflicting, u say that midwifes are only there for medical complications? right? but u started off saying its not a medical event i mean come on lady.WHY does it interest you in why people find pregnancy a medical event because there are medical complications regularly. thats all im saying so in my mind that justifys it as a medical event LOL babys die all the time of complications LOL now i could provide links and what not from reliable sources but you should just start a thread so we can start our own convo! HAHAHAHA.

LOL well im glad you were raised in an enviroment where losing children or eggs was acceptable due to error. as a father I want my children to survive and have access to any care or equipment needed due to complications thats all. therefore my family has allways had it be a "medical event" shocking i know. LOL interesting read. and your in love with this naturalistic vibe with snakes, im sorry i maybe just a realist. I understand that by putting an animal on paper and in a tub I can create a safe enviroment for them its all about the snakes health in captivity thats all. Im not trying to jack threads i have been prone to this lately i apologize.

I am very interested in natural methods just still think error CAN possibly come into play. thats all and we have proof of this on the thread. :bolt:

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You really need to READ and UNDERSTAND properly before you post. It is frustrating. And I even provided you a link so you can understand what I mean by MIDWIVES assisting pregnancies and OBSTETRICIANS managing medical events. MIDWIVES assists pregnancies and deliveries - they are not doctors - because pregnancy/delivery is not a medical event. Now... if there are complications such as pre-eclampsia, etc., then a midwife sends the case to AN OBSTETRICIAN (a doctor) as a medical incident. GET IT NOW?

And it is insulting when you say things like "it is okay to lose a snake or a child to error". IT IS NOT OKAY. But, like EVERYTHING ELSE IN LIFE, nobody is perfect. Do you know how many babies die due to medical error? A LOT. IN THE HOSPITAL EVEN. My kids' babysitter has a son with celebral palsy due to medical error! IT IS NOT OK. We do the best we can.

Do you know how many ball pythons die in the egg in an incubator??? A LOT. Just because you put it in an incubator doesn't mean it is insulated from error. Now, if you were just being stupid, then it's bad. If you did your best, there's nothing else you can ask for.

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Originally Posted by KingPythons

If your a natural type of person I say why not do things the all natural way.
I would do the all natural way but Im not cool with losing eggs nor missing out on making a great looking ball python.

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And that's the misconception. Just because you stick the egg in the incubator doesn't guarantee you a 100% hatch rate.

Both methods are valid with the same amount of risk to the eggs. The trick is to know what you are doing.

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Originally Posted by BEasy119

With that being said should u cut the eggs in the first place. I'm going to try to breed this year and i'm wondering about cutting eggs

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There are pros and cons to cutting eggs. The purpose of cutting the eggs is to prevent the case of a ball python not being able to get out on its own (egg tooth not strong enough, etc.). But, cutting eggs introduce the risk of bacteria, etc. etc.

A lot of people cut eggs simply for the purpose of knowing if they got a morph.

I cut the eggs because it was day 69 and I started to worry.

Most people here will advice to wait until the first snake pips then cut the rest.

I've been busy with family and haven't been on the forum lately so I'm just catching up in this thread. :)

I really enjoy maternally incubating eggs. I've done it this way for every ball python clutch I've had so far (4 clutches in two years so far now) and haven't lost a single egg. I cannot say the same for artificially incubated clutches.

The only regret I have is getting antsy waiting for one of last year's clutches to hatch (it just seemed like it was taking oh so long) and I snipped the eggs just to be sure. Not a good idea when you're maternally incubating because mom holds the eggs close to her and if the eggs are slit, the babies are no longer supported in their intact eggs and could potentially be squished. The eggs, themselves, will ooze and you will have a sticky mess to deal with. It's better to leave them alone if you're maternally incubating unless there's an indication that something actually is wrong, in which case you should move the eggs to an incubator after cutting to prevent any problems and mess.


// as for the natural birth vs. medicalized birth thing.. I'm all for natural there. The rate of medical intervention and cesareans is just horrible here. If I ever get pregnant again, I'm going to plan for a homebirth. :P