hognose vs. ball python?

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Originally Posted by dembonez

isn't hognose venom like....nothing unless you are allergic to bee stings?

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No.

You get envenomated, you get a reaction. The reaction is to the venom, not any of this "allergy" BS. People who don't have a reaction to a hognose bite (1) weren't envenomated or (2) were able to get the animal loose before it chewed any venom into them.

It has nothing to do with bee stings, food allergies, etc. That's all forum/internet bull crap. Allergies to snake venom are extremely rare, even to people who are consistenly exposed to them.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

No.

You get envenomated, you get a reaction. The reaction is to the venom, not any of this "allergy" BS. People who don't have a reaction to a hognose bite (1) weren't envenomated or (2) were able to get the animal loose before it chewed any venom into them.

It has nothing to do with bee stings, food allergies, etc. That's all forum/internet bull crap. Allergies to snake venom are extremely rare, even to people who are consistenly exposed to them.

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This is not completely true. A person's reaction to the mild toxicity of hognose venom is dependent on the person's anaphylactic sensitivity to the venom... in other words, allergy.

This is just like a bee sting. People have varying reactions to bee stings depending on their anaphylactic sensitivity to Hymenoptera stings. Those who don't have this type of allergy usually experience just the normal ouch and some itching or mild swelling probably if bit multiple times. Some people with the allergy stops breathing from shock.

But you are correct in that just because you are allergic to peanut butter doesn't mean you are allergic to bee stings, and that just because you are allergic to bee stings doesn't mean you are allergic to hognose venom. Allergies are specific to "type". So that if you are allergic to bee stings you are also allergic to wasp and fire ant stings because they are all Hymenoptera stings.

My sister, for example, is extremely allergic to shellfish, penicillin, and Hymenoptera bites. But she is not allergic to Fel d 1 or any of the cat allegens nor peanut butter nor milk. My son is mildly allergic to dust, peanut butter, milk and Hymenoptera stings but he has no allergies to shellfish nor penicillin... But he is extremely allergic to Fel d 1 in cats. I am allergic to dust and pollen and nothing else.

A lot of times though, a person who has allergies usually have allergies in multiple types, so that when you have an allergic reaction to something, it would benefit you to get tested for any other type of allergy. But, like you said, snake venom allergy is rare therefore, I don't know of a place that tests for that allergy - I've tried looking.

Hope this helps.

My understanding is that there's not a single instance of anybody going into anaphylactic shock from hognose venom - but that can be because hognose bites are extremely rare, not necessarily that nobody is that extremely allergic to it.

Here's more info on hognose venom: http://www.hognose.com/pages/venomous.htm

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Originally Posted by anatess

This is not completely true. A person's reaction to the mild toxicity of hognose venom is dependent on the person's anaphylactic sensitivity to the venom... in other words, allergy.

This is just like a bee sting. People have varying reactions to bee stings depending on their anaphylactic sensitivity to Hymenoptera stings. Those who don't have this type of allergy usually experience just the normal ouch and some itching or mild swelling probably if bit multiple times. Some people with the allergy stops breathing from shock.

But you are correct in that just because you are allergic to peanut butter doesn't mean you are allergic to bee stings, and that just because you are allergic to bee stings doesn't mean you are allergic to hognose venom. Allergies are specific to "type". So that if you are allergic to bee stings you are also allergic to wasp and fire ant stings because they are all Hymenoptera stings.

My sister, for example, is extremely allergic to shellfish, penicillin, and Hymenoptera bites. But she is not allergic to Fel d 1 or any of the cat allegens nor peanut butter nor milk. My son is mildly allergic to dust, peanut butter, milk and Hymenoptera stings but he has no allergies to shellfish nor penicillin... But he is extremely allergic to Fel d 1 in cats. I am allergic to dust and pollen and nothing else.

A lot of times though, a person who has allergies usually have allergies in multiple types, so that when you have an allergic reaction to something, it would benefit you to get tested for any other type of allergy. But, like you said, snake venom allergy is rare therefore, I don't know of a place that tests for that allergy - I've tried looking.

Hope this helps.

My understanding is that there's not a single instance of anybody going into anaphylactic shock from hognose venom - but that can be because hognose bites are extremely rare, not necessarily that nobody is that extremely allergic to it.

Here's more info on hognose venom: http://www.hognose.com/pages/venomous.htm

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Wrong.

Reactions to hognose venom are symptoms of the venom. There are numerous recorded reactions that has nothing to do with allergies.

Brian Fry has already covered this in enough depth that any arguments to the contrary are pretty much moot.

http://www.venomdoc.com/forums/viewt...hlight=hognose

so in short what happens if you get bit and don't go to the doctor

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Originally Posted by dembonez

so in short what happens if you get bit and don't go to the doctor

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Nothing.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

Nothing.

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lol okay thanks!

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Originally Posted by Mallory

That is so funny!! I have a BP named Pandora and a western hognose (Rudy).

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You know what's also funny? I have a dog named Rudy, and used to have a cat named Pandora... I'm serious. :)

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Originally Posted by dembonez

ball python for the simple fact how they get Thicker! its eaiser not to loose them! haha

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Pretty hard to lose a hognose too, especially if you have 4-legged pets in the house... one time my hog escaped (the tub broke), and I didn't even know until I heard a HISSSSSS throughout the house. It was so loud, I actually thought it was a broken appliance at first - nope, it was just Charlotte hissing at my cat, who was standing over her in the bedroom. A ball python might be easier to see, but I guarantee you'll HEAR a hognose first. :D

I know this is off track from the op's question, but I never knew hognose snakes were popular until recently. When I was a kid, we weren't allowed to have dogs/cats, etc. So we would go down to the lake/woods and catch snakes. We'd bring them home, play with them for a while and then take them back. One snake we caught a lot were hognoses (in South Jersey).

We thought it was cool the way they would hiss, rattle their tails, roll over and play dead, and I think they would even secrete a musk...if I remember correctly. We never got bit, and we had no idea they were even mildly venomous.

Neat to see that they are becoming popular.