pic request, PLEASE

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Originally Posted by MissLeMew

I'm probably one of the few who likes a "dirty" looking spider. I like a lot of pattern, though it still has to be bold and distinct and with high white sides. I also like any snake that has a lot of yellow, so when I found my spider male, I fell in love... though his wobble has gotten progressively worse with age, so at this point I'm on the fence when it comes to breeding him (will always be my favorite little guy, though). Luckily, I still have the name of the breeder I got him from ;)

Here's his picture:

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/q...eLeone/004.jpg

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Very unique looking spider! Do you know if he underwent a shed at some point in time and came out looking a bit lighter? He kind of has a bit of "that look" to him.

My spinner male has a similar look -- darker side pattern with a bright gold "stripe" down the back, underneath the black patterning -- but I've seen it on a few spinners, and not too many spiders ...

My spider at 5 months old or so. He has a reduced pattern, mid white sides, and a very smooth base-color that looks like suede.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l.../salazar_2.jpg

This is the only picture I can find of my pastel as a juvie - she was a year and a half old in this picture:
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...ss07/Curly.jpg

Both of them together at 3 years old (pastel) and 2 years old (spider). As you can see the pastel has the brownish color on her dorsal stripe now but her sides are still amazingly bright. I just love these guys.
http://i314.photobucket.com/albums/l...7/SANY0049.jpg

I would suggest a pastel instead of a spider for you - not because of the wobble - but because if you breed a male pastel with your female normal you can possibly get a female pastel that 3 years later you can breed back to your male pastel to get a super-pastel that is a different color pattern than a pastel. You can't do this with a spider because there's no super-spider (that is, it doesn't produce a different colored snake).

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Originally Posted by MissLeMew

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/q...eLeone/004.jpg

http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/q...eLeone/009.jpg

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WOW, I'm not really a big fan of spiders but I really like that one!

Wow you all have some NICE looking snakes! Hopefully I can join the club soon

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Originally Posted by Serpent_Nirvana

Very unique looking spider! Do you know if he underwent a shed at some point in time and came out looking a bit lighter? He kind of has a bit of "that look" to him.

My spinner male has a similar look -- darker side pattern with a bright gold "stripe" down the back, underneath the black patterning -- but I've seen it on a few spinners, and not too many spiders ...

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Last March I noticed he was starting to get lighter with every shed, and that stripe had turned a banana yellow... I ended up calling the breeder to see if it was something that was common with the spiders he produces, like a phase or something, and he said that his breeder spidey male was really yellow, and that he'd probably grow up to look just like his sire. Hopefully its something that'll add some flare to any kind of bee that I produce in the future. When his pastel girl gets up to size, I'm going to see if he'll breed for me, but his wobble might be an issue :/ When he stresses it gets really bad, so we'll see! Hopefully, he won't be shy with the ladies :)

Here's a pic of my female spider at 1600 grams. I got lucky because I can honestly say in the 3 years I have had her I have never seen the wobble that spiders have. To me it doesn't exhist in her. She's been bredding with my yellow belly and my pastel.

http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/a...3/DSCN0126.jpg

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Not to throw a wrench in things, but for the $200 dollar range, I would look at getting a male Fire, Enchi or Vanilla over the Pastel. I think the future breeding potential with those 3 are better, plus I like them over Pastel myself.

I have made the decision to work more Fire & Vanilla into my projects over the Pastel. You see lots of Pastel combos, but the Fire, Vanilla & Enchi are not as widespread. You see lots of Super Pastels, but not much of the Super Fire, Super Vanilla & Super Enchi.

The offspring value of the 3 mentioned is better than the Pastel right now, so you could hold one or two back and sell/trade into another morh or two to increase your collection and breeding projects.

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Originally Posted by MikeDE

Not to throw a wrench in things, but for the $200 dollar range, I would look at getting a male Fire, Enchi or Vanilla over the Pastel. I think the future breeding potential with those 3 are better, plus I like them over Pastel myself.

I have made the decision to work more Fire & Vanilla into my projects over the Pastel. You see lots of Pastel combos, but the Fire, Vanilla & Enchi are not as widespread. You see lots of Super Pastels, but not much of the Super Fire, Super Vanilla & Super Enchi.

The offspring value of the 3 mentioned is better than the Pastel right now, so you could hold one or two back and sell/trade into another morh or two to increase your collection and breeding projects.

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I see what your saying but I still believe every collection should have pastel in it. Just look at the pastel fire, vanilla , and enchi, just like what those three do to other morphs the pastel gene enhances all three of those. All three are a must to add to a collection as is the pastel. You lose out on so much potential with combos with out it. Just my opinion. Its a affordable and must have.



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I agree Pastel is needed in a collection & breeding projects, I did not mean to not add it at all. I think in the current market, as unfortunate as it is, Pastels are getting into normal prices.

Right now Enchi/Vanilla females are hard to find, and are going up in price. The new combos and combo potential with these are driving them. I was just looking at the original poster's posistion in the market, by adding one of the 3 in lieu of Pastel, it puts him in a better posistion a year or two down the road to add to his future collection.

I do agree with you crballs, the pastel mixed in with these genes are sweet. The Firefly is a great looking animal. I have 2 Female Pastels that are in the 800gr range, hopegully end of 11 they will have a suitor. I have 3 double gene males and one triple that I will get to chose from.

Might as well add another must have gene IMO, Yellowbelly

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Originally Posted by crbballs

I see what your saying but I still believe every collection should have pastel in it. Just look at the pastel fire, vanilla , and enchi, just like what those three do to other morphs the pastel gene enhances all three of those. All three are a must to add to a collection as is the pastel. You lose out on so much potential with combos with out it. Just my opinion. Its a affordable and must have.



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Are the Fire, Enchi or Vanilla dominant genes?