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Re: We all loved Steve Irwin....well do it for him then.
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Originally Posted by Piedlover
On a personal note - not as a staff member - I don't understand that if another member works one up this much, why they come on to their threads like sharks to blood.
Carry on......
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Agreed kinda reminds me of someone starting a fire to cause damage and having others blowing on it to put it out only to find that it makes is spread ....
But if this person is spouting lies, then someone has to let others know that lies are being told. Just because he says something does not make it fact. Illegal is illegal, but don't misuse that word for immoral. Illegal and immoral aren't necessarily the same. Japan is immoral in their actions (personal opinion), however they are not breaking any national or international laws, therefore they are not acting illegally.
This is my concern.
Jim Smith
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Re: We all loved Steve Irwin....well do it for him then.
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Originally Posted by sarahlovesmiike
I've been lurking on all the threads big guns has posted lately. I guess what I don't understand is why stayed away for so long then he continuously starts thread after thread, knowing all the while that it's controversial topic and people are GOING to get riled up. He's clearly looking for the responses he will get from people, only to tear them apart (thinking he sounds smart but has no clue how stupid as he really sounds).
Didn't your parents ever tell you "don't react to your brother and he will leave you alone"?
Yeah they told BG, but obviously he never listened. He loved his "brothers" too much.:D
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Originally Posted by Piedlover
On a personal note - not as a staff member - I don't understand that if another member works one up this much, why they come on to their threads like sharks to blood.
Carry on......
Agreed kinda reminds me of someone starting a fire to cause damage and having others blowing on it to put it out only to find that it makes is spread ....[/QUOTE]
In BG's defense guys. He didn't start the original thread to start a wild fire. The others...maybe a leeetle...but not the first one.
However.... BG isn't sure how long you guys have been around. It's pretty much a given that when Big Gunns shows up the people with his sickness are gonna come a runnin.
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Re: We all loved Steve Irwin....well do it for him then.
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Originally Posted by rabernet
Gentlemen - we've always said that we can't make people be nice to each other, and we try let threads evolve as they will as long as it doesn't get too ugly.
However, making serious accusations such as this, without proof, will not be tolerated and any further accusations in a similar vein will be infracted under general hostility.
On a personal note - not as a staff member - I don't understand that if another member works one up this much, why they come on to their threads like sharks to blood.
Carry on......
Pure sickness BG is telling yah. Don't worry Rabs, BG is working on it to try and bottle it. He needs everyone with the same illness to really get the word out.:rofl:
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Originally Posted by j_h_smith
Agreed kinda reminds me of someone starting a fire to cause damage and having others blowing on it to put it out only to find that it makes is spread ....
But if this person is spouting lies, then someone has to let others know that lies are being told. Just because he says something does not make it fact. Illegal is illegal, but don't misuse that word for immoral. Illegal and immoral aren't necessarily the same. Japan is immoral in their actions (personal opinion), however they are not breaking any national or internation laws, therefore they are not acting illegally.
This is my concern.
Jim Smith[/QUOTE]
As it says at the start of the Whale wars show. "Both claim to have the law on their side". BG chooses to believe one side.
Didn't you say you were going away Smitty? Big Gunns even made a bet on it didn't he? Big Gunns knew the sickness was in your bones.:D
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Re: We all loved Steve Irwin....well do it for him then.
Would it be the same if Hindu Indians came to the USA and told us that we can't eat beef any longer? They shoot at ranchers, they use 4 wheel drive trucks to crash into the horses these cattlemen are riding. Then they go around and blow up the cattlemen's barns. They destroy the fences that hold the cattle. Would you allow that to happen in the US?
Kinda the same thing isn't it?
The Japanese culture is what is being attacked. If you want to change things in Japan, change the culture, don't sink ships, nor cut nets, or be a bother to the Japanese people. Make changes to the governing body that oversees these activities. Both the whales and dolphins have a governing body which dictates how many can be taken during the year. Make changes there.
That's all I've been saying.
Jim Smith
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Re: We all loved Steve Irwin....well do it for him then.
Talking to you is like beating a dead horse. All you do is come back with comments that you think are witty but they are really just annoying. The board was very peaceful over the last few months, only a few minor scuffles between new members and they apologized after realizing that we were just trying to help. Was it really necessary to come back and wreak havoc for your own amusement? People like you make me not want to be apart of this community. It seems like you call people names, not outright derogatory but offensive nonetheless, and don't get infracted for it but everyone else gets called out by the moderators and administrators for stupid slip ups. No warnings or anything, and here you are untouched after repeatedly calling everyone diseased with the BG sickness, making fun of wilomn's name. You are like a bully in junior high you makes up a "funny" nick name for someone and can't get in trouble because TECHNICALLY there's nothing wrong... Not breaking any rules.
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Re: We all loved Steve Irwin....well do it for him then.
Care to address these Sea Shepherds' actions and tell me what side of the law these are on? Please try and make these actions law abiding. Blowing up a ship by using a mines, shooting at police officers while they are in rubber boats, threatening a delagate with death, because they didn't vote the way you wanted them to. Go ahead Neil, tell me how all of this is LEGAL.
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Originally Posted by j_h_smith
SEA SHEPHERD’S VIOLENT HISTORY
1977: Founding member of Greenpeace, Paul Watson, expelled from the organisation after a campaign against sealing during which he threw the sealers’ clubs and skins into the sea.
1977: Watson establishes Sea Shepherd organisation. States that Sea Shepherd is not a protest organization. “We are [a] self-appointed policing organization given credibility by the terms of the United Nations Earth Charter of 1982.”
1978: Watson admits to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) programme As It Happens that his work is aimed at raising funds for his organisation, Sea Shepherd.
Watson: “You see, the seal is very easy to exploit as an image. We have posters, we have buttons; we have shirts ... all of which portray the head of the baby seal with tears coming out of its eyes. Baby seals are always crying because the salt tears keep their eyes from freezing. But they have this image of ... they are baby animals; they are beautiful. And because of that, coupled with the horror of the sealer hitting them over the head with a club, it is an image which just goes right to the heart of animal lovers all over North America.”
1979: A Sea Shepherd vessel rams the whaling vessel “Sierra”, causing considerable damage. “Sierra” survives attack.
1980: The IWC at its meeting in Brighton, United Kingdom, assigns high-level protection to two Canadian Government delegates after Watson threatened to kill them for voting against a moratorium on sperm whales. Delegates given Royal Canadian Mounted Police protection until their return home to Canada.
1980: The “Sierra” is sunk in Lisbon harbour. Sea Shepherd claims responsibility. Investigation shows limpet mines used to blow up the vessel.
1981: Sea Shepherd claims responsibility for the sinking of the two whaling vessels, Ibsa I and Ibsa II, in the Spanish harbour of Viga.
1983: Paul Watson and “Sea Shepherd” vessel engineer Paul Pezwick, tried and convicted in a Quebec, Canada, court for “interfering in the annual seal hunt in the Gulf of St. Lawrence”. Trial followed arrest in March 1983 when “Sea Shepherd” vessel boarded by Canadian police. “Sea Shepherd” fortified including electric barbed wire around the deck’s edges. Seventeen crew arrested. Watson and three others flee across ice to Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, but caught and arrested. Watson charged additionally with piloting a ship in a dangerous manner, intimidation of the sealers and being unlawfully within a half mile of the seal hunt – a violation of the Seal Protection Regulations. Watson sentenced to 15 months imprisonment.
1983: In retaliation for Watson’s arrest by Canadian police, animal rights extremists slash car tires and spray paint slogans on walls of buildings in the inner city of Quebec. “Fisheries Murder Seals” and “Set Paul Watson Free” slogans spray painted on the Department of Fisheries and Oceans offices in Keele Street. Animal Liberation Front delivers letter to the Quebec Star newspaper admitting causing several thousand dollars worth of damage to the Department’s Keele Street offices.
1986: Sea Shepherd attempts to stop Faroe Islands pilot whale harvest. Using rifles, Sea Shepherd activists shoot at Faroe Islands police in an attempt to sink their rubber dinghies. The vessel “Sea Shepherd” was ordered to leave Faroese territorial waters. The police report of 7 October 1986 states: “One of the rubber dinghies was attacked directly by a “Speed Line” line rifle. The attack ... endangered the lives of the police crewmembers ... and signal flares containing phosphorous was thrown at the police. At a later stage the Sea Shepherd used “toads” (rotating iron spikes, pointed and sharp at both ends) against the rubber dinghies ... petrol was poured over the side of the ship and signal flares were thrown from the “Sea Shepherd” in an attempt to set the petrol on fire.”
1986: Sea Shepherd claims responsibility for the sinking of two whaling vessels in Reykjavik, Iceland, and for malicious damage to a whaling station. (This act of violence was carried out after Iceland stopped whaling in line with the IWC moratorium on commercial whaling.) Attack carried out by Sea Shepherd members Rodney A. Coronado and David Howitt. (Coronado linked to Animal Liberation Front and arrested eight years later by United States FBI for his part in an ALF attack on Michigan State University research laboratory. Charges included use of an explosive device, theft and arson.)
This is the first 10 years of the Sea Sherpherd Conservation Group. Sounds like a nice group of terrorists to me.
Jim Smith
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Re: We all loved Steve Irwin....well do it for him then.
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Originally Posted by Big Gunns
Pure sickness BG is telling yah. Don't worry Rabs, BG is working on it to try and bottle it. He needs everyone with the same illness to really get the word out.:rofl:
But if this person is spouting lies, then someone has to let others know that lies are being told. Just because he says something does not make it fact. Illegal is illegal, but don't misuse that word for immoral. Illegal and immoral aren't necessarily the same. Japan is immoral in their actions (personal opinion), however they are not breaking any national or internation laws, therefore they are not acting illegally.
This is my concern.
Jim Smith
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As it says at the start of the Whale wars show. "Both claim to have the law on their side". BG chooses to believe one side.
Didn't you say you were going away Smitty? Big Gunns even made a bet on it didn't he? Big Gunns knew the sickness was in your bones.:D
Your post addressed what? Care to comment on my post that you felt you needlessly responed to? I'm trying to discuss this matter somewhat intellegently. For some reason, I don't think that's a part of your agenda. Could you please state what national or internation laws the country of Japan is violating. I've heard you say it 1000 times, so please cite the laws they are violating.
Jim Smith
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Re: We all loved Steve Irwin....well do it for him then.
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Originally Posted by j_h_smith
Would it be the same if Hindu Indians came to the USA and told us that we can't eat beef any longer? They shoot at ranchers, they use 4 wheel drive trucks to crash into the horses these cattlemen are riding. Then they go around and blow up the cattlemen's barns. They destroy the fences that hold the cattle. Would you allow that to happen in the US?
Kinda the same thing isn't it?
The Japanese culture is what is being attacked. If you want to change things in Japan, change the culture, don't sink ships, nor cut nets, or be a bother to the Japanese people. Make changes to the governing body that oversees these activities. Both the whales and dolphins have a governing body which dictates how many can be taken during the year. Make changes there.
That's all I've been saying.
Jim Smith
So now BG has to debate this with the second worse case of BG sickness in the world????:rolleye2:
Many people have made the same point. However, they are in international waters when they are whaling. They are not ramming boats in Japanese waters. The Mammal hunters in Taiji were told that if they don't like some of the things that farmers do in the US....go and complain to them if you want. What did BG or anyone from Sea Shepherd do that was illegal in Japan? BG can make the same argument you've been making. If what Sea Shepherd is doing is so "illegal"....why no arrests for what they're doing in the Southern Ocean?:confused:
The "culture" argument has been used over and over. There are many things that were a part of some peoples "culture" that are no longer done. Fox hunting...and Bull fighting in some parts of the world has been stopped. They were clearly part of the "culture". It's the biggest obstacle there is really. They believe that their "culture" is being attacked...and BG understands it, but sometimes people need to change their "culture" for the good of Mother Earth.(corny but true)
Don't you owe BG some money for our bet?:D
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Re: We all loved Steve Irwin....well do it for him then.
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Originally Posted by Big Gunns
So now BG has to debate this with the second worse case of BG sickness in the world????:rolleye2:
Many people have made the same point. However, they are in international waters when they are whaling. They are not ramming boats in Japanese waters. The Mammal hunters in Taiji were told that if they don't like some of the things that farmers do in the US....go and complain to them if you want. What did BG or anyone from Sea Shepherd do that was illegal in Japan? BG can make the same argument you've been making. If what Sea Shepherd is doing is so "illegal"....why no arrests for what they're doing in the Southern Ocean?:confused:
The "culture" argument has been used over and over. There are many things that were a part of some peoples "culture" that are no longer done. Fox hunting...and Bull fighting in some parts of the world has been stopped. They were clearly part of the "culture". It's the biggest obstacle there is really. They believe that their "culture" is being attacked...and BG understands it, but sometimes people need to change their "culture" for the good of Mother Earth.(corny but true)
Don't you owe BG some money for our bet?:D
Quoted from Yahoo News. None of these activities were in international waters. In fact, Japan was not a part of the attacks made by the Sea Shepherd group. So, do you have any information on these attacks and why are they not criminal? After all, many of your group was arrested while committing these crimes.
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1980: The “Sierra” is sunk in Lisbon harbour. Sea Shepherd claims responsibility. Investigation shows limpet mines used to blow up the vessel.
1981: Sea Shepherd claims responsibility for the sinking of the two whaling vessels, Ibsa I and Ibsa II, in the Spanish harbour of Viga.
1983: Paul Watson and “Sea Shepherd” vessel engineer Paul Pezwick, tried and convicted in a Quebec, Canada, court for “interfering in the annual seal hunt in the Gulf of St. Lawrence”. Trial followed arrest in March 1983 when “Sea Shepherd” vessel boarded by Canadian police. “Sea Shepherd” fortified including electric barbed wire around the deck’s edges. Seventeen crew arrested. Watson and three others flee across ice to Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, but caught and arrested. Watson charged additionally with piloting a ship in a dangerous manner, intimidation of the sealers and being unlawfully within a half mile of the seal hunt – a violation of the Seal Protection Regulations. Watson sentenced to 15 months imprisonment.
1983: In retaliation for Watson’s arrest by Canadian police, animal rights extremists slash car tires and spray paint slogans on walls of buildings in the inner city of Quebec. “Fisheries Murder Seals” and “Set Paul Watson Free” slogans spray painted on the Department of Fisheries and Oceans offices in Keele Street. Animal Liberation Front delivers letter to the Quebec Star newspaper admitting causing several thousand dollars worth of damage to the Department’s Keele Street offices.
1986: Sea Shepherd attempts to stop Faroe Islands pilot whale harvest. Using rifles, Sea Shepherd activists shoot at Faroe Islands police in an attempt to sink their rubber dinghies. The vessel “Sea Shepherd” was ordered to leave Faroese territorial waters. The police report of 7 October 1986 states: “One of the rubber dinghies was attacked directly by a “Speed Line” line rifle. The attack ... endangered the lives of the police crewmembers ... and signal flares containing phosphorous was thrown at the police. At a later stage the Sea Shepherd used “toads” (rotating iron spikes, pointed and sharp at both ends) against the rubber dinghies ... petrol was poured over the side of the ship and signal flares were thrown from the “Sea Shepherd” in an attempt to set the petrol on fire.”
1986: Sea Shepherd claims responsibility for the sinking of two whaling vessels in Reykjavik, Iceland, and for malicious damage to a whaling station. (This act of violence was carried out after Iceland stopped whaling in line with the IWC moratorium on commercial whaling.) Attack carried out by Sea Shepherd members Rodney A. Coronado and David Howitt. (Coronado linked to Animal Liberation Front and arrested eight years later by United States FBI for his part in an ALF attack on Michigan State University research laboratory. Charges included use of an explosive device, theft and arson.)
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Re: We all loved Steve Irwin....well do it for him then.
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Originally Posted by j_h_smith
Care to address these Sea Shepherds' actions and tell me what side of the law these are on? Please try and make these actions law abiding. Blowing up a ship by using a mines, shooting at police officers while they are in rubber boats, threatening a delagate with death, because they didn't vote the way you wanted them to. Go ahead Neil, tell me how all of this is LEGAL.
Totally agree! It is not our waters, or our country. We shouldn't be allowed to interfere with there culture and fishing industry. We over fish our oceans surrounding the US everyday and we all know we should slow down but it's called supply and demand. It all comes back to money.
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