a must read about rodent diet

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Originally Posted by BAMReptiles

the only thing i dont get is, you people always talk about low protein. then why on the purnia brand DEVELOPED by SCIENTISTS for BREEDER lab rodents, which are held to a far higher standard, do they use 23% protein? idc where it comes from, but ill bet my money on the smart people who develop it with far stricter standards in mind. just my 2 cents

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who do you think checks a dog feed makers claims? The FDA has enough trouble keeping food from killing people.

i use sunseed critter cubes(lab block) and i supplement with the tsc doggy bag brand dog food. i have great litters. i have had a decline recently but i feel its due to the age of the female rats. theve all been breeding for about a year now and i have their replacements already in line.
when i was doing mice my biggest problem was overcrowding. it will harm your production more than anything
adam jeffery

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Originally Posted by suzuki4life

snakes will eat many things in the wild covered in ticks, mites, and loaded with infection and disease. If you ate ONE item only like a dog on kibble does, your crap would change colors also. Don't judge it by that.

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Considering the dog also got table scraps..I'll pass. Also..

http://www.feingold.org/Research/dye-studies.html
http://www.tegutalk.com/forum/viewto...t=3102&start=0
http://tzunun.home.mindspring.com/reddye.htm
http://www.paghat.com/reddye.html

Long story short, red dye #40 is carcinogenic. A.k.a causes cancer.

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Originally Posted by Raptor

Considering the dog also got table scraps..I'll pass. Also..

http://www.feingold.org/Research/dye-studies.html
http://www.tegutalk.com/forum/viewto...t=3102&start=0
http://tzunun.home.mindspring.com/reddye.htm
http://www.paghat.com/reddye.html

Long story short, red dye #40 is carcinogenic. A.k.a causes cancer.

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so if you eat a hamburger from a cow that had cancer you will get cancer also? Also did the study show that the dye was 100% effective in causing cancer in all cases? You do realize that it has been proven that things like cigarettes tend to promote a condition (like cancer) in animals that their genetic lines probably would have developed it anyway? So to put it in simple terms. Not everyone who smokes gets cancer, not every rat that eats a certain diet will get it either. Your rat or snake may get a disease no matter what you feed it. Show me a study that shows 'Ole Roy' dog food caused cancer in dogs. They still add the red dye. If it was causing cancer in dogs wouldn't they gone bankrupt by now?

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Originally Posted by adamjeffery

i use sunseed critter cubes(lab block) and i supplement with the tsc doggy bag brand dog food. i have great litters. i have had a decline recently but i feel its due to the age of the female rats. theve all been breeding for about a year now and i have their replacements already in line.
when i was doing mice my biggest problem was overcrowding. it will harm your production more than anything
adam jeffery

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they have a 12-15 month window and then they are pretty much shot...some may go beyond but most don't. The litters drop off, they kill their litters...etc.

the guy on tegu talk "found the genetic link to cancer"...


that is wow on a huge level...

and yet he is not a millionaire...

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Originally Posted by suzuki4life

so if you eat a hamburger from a cow that had cancer you will get cancer also? Also did the study show that the dye was 100% effective in causing cancer in all cases? You do realize that it has been proven that things like cigarettes tend to promote a condition (like cancer) in animals that their genetic lines probably would have developed it anyway? So to put it in simple terms. Not everyone who smokes gets cancer, not every rat that eats a certain diet will get it either. Your rat or snake may get a disease no matter what you feed it. Show me a study that shows 'Ole Roy' dog food caused cancer in dogs. They still add the red dye. If it was causing cancer in dogs wouldn't they gone bankrupt by now?

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;D cows with cancer aren't allowed to enter the slaughter house.

If you eat something that has been contaminated with something, you're going to get sick from it. By this, I mean poisons. There are multiple studies that show red dye #40 causes cancer. Also, you'd have to prove that the cancer in the dog was caused by red dye #40.

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Originally Posted by Raptor

;D cows with cancer aren't allowed to enter the slaughter house.

If you eat something that has been contaminated with something, you're going to get sick from it. By this, I mean poisons. There are multiple studies that show red dye #40 causes cancer. Also, you'd have to prove that the cancer in the dog was caused by red dye #40.

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you apparently have never been in a slaughter house.

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Originally Posted by suzuki4life

you apparently have never been in a slaughter house.

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I doubt you have either.

http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/vetext...CONDEMNED.HTML

Oh. Look. Proof to back up my claims.

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Originally Posted by suzuki4life

who do you think checks a dog feed makers claims? The FDA has enough trouble keeping food from killing people.

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i simply meant, i dont understand why most people want lower protein, when the good stuff formulated specifically for breeding rats is 3%-9% higher protien.