Barcelona, Spain Bans bull fights- Opinions

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Originally Posted by xdeus

I love a good steak like the next guy and would have no problems killing my food, but I do have a problem with the barbaric tradition of bullfighting. Just because it's a tradition, doesn't mean it shouldn't be banned.

Slowly torturing an animal for the enjoyment of others is just sadistic.

Take a look at pictures #38 and #39 from this set and tell me this is just a quaint little tradition. Photo blog link.

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I could not agree more, and my family are avid hunters. But, they shoot to kill. And, if the first shot doesn't kill it, it's a quick knife to the throat.

I personally would like to see the bullfighter fight the bull first. You can make a bull mad in plenty of ways without sticking poles in his back. I do think the running of the bulls is cool. But, it should be the fighter and the bull; one-on-one.

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Originally Posted by j_h_smith

Yes but you are imposing your beliefs and morals onto another culture. That's why I'm arguing this point. I don't like bullfighting at all, I've seen it in Mexico and didn't care for it. BUT, I can't and you shouldn't impose our beliefs onto that culture.

Jim Smith

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I don't understand. It wasn't us who banned it. It was Catalonia. How are we imposing out believes into that culture? We can't say that we don't like it?

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Originally Posted by xdeus

I love a good steak like the next guy and would have no problems killing my food, but I do have a problem with the barbaric tradition of bullfighting. Just because it's a tradition, doesn't mean it shouldn't be banned.

Slowly torturing an animal for the enjoyment of others is just sadistic.

Take a look at pictures #38 and #39 from this set and tell me this is just a quaint little tradition. Photo blog link.

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I completely agree. I don't understand why you guys are so for it, does it really affect you that much that they are banning it? It's tradition but it's not right, can you imagine someone stabbing your snake or lizard torturing it and a bunch of ppl watching and enjoying the whole "show"? Granted pets and bulls might be different, but they are all animals and they feel pain. It breaks my heart that we care so much more for our pets than any other animals, but I guess we are selfish creatures...

You seem to be treating a 'culture' as if it were an individual with rights. I'm sorry, but no. I do not respect all aspects of all cultures. Cultures change over time, as they should. If they stagnate, they are generally doomed. It's time for Spain to join the first world in prohibiting blood sports. Their culture needs to change.
Just because it's old doesn't make it valuable.

'Tradition' has been used as an excuse for continuing a wide variety of evil and reprehensible things. It is not a valid excuse. Obviously, all Spanish people do not agree with bullfighting. The Spanish are the ones who will vote to keep or abolish this practice. All we can do is give them our opinion, and they will then choose to listen to it, or not.
I am certainly not going to keep my mouth shut for fear of contaminating their 'culture'.

At what point did culture become more important than life or death, or suffering?

Maybe we should start feeding people to lions and crocodiles again. That was a grand tradition in Rome, after all.

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Originally Posted by j_h_smith

Yes but you are imposing your beliefs and morals onto another culture. That's why I'm arguing this point. I don't like bullfighting at all, I've seen it in Mexico and didn't care for it. BUT, I can't and you shouldn't impose our beliefs onto that culture.

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So then according to that logic, slavery, stoning people to death, female circumsion, etc. are all good because it's just another culture and we shouldn't impose our beliefs and morals on others?

Or is it just when it doesn't affect people? In that case, killing off entire species for traditional medicines and rituals is copacetic?

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Originally Posted by j_h_smith

Yes but you are imposing your beliefs and morals onto another culture. That's why I'm arguing this point. I don't like bullfighting at all, I've seen it in Mexico and didn't care for it. BUT, I can't and you shouldn't impose our beliefs onto that culture.

Jim Smith

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No one forced or imposed their beliefs. They banned it themselves. And we're all free to have an opinion on practices on others cultures. There is nothing wrong with someone criticizing bullfighting or saying they feel its wrong.

its their tradition. Should not be taken away. People can deal with it.

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Originally Posted by dc1

its their tradition. Should not be taken away. People can deal with it.

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That's retarded. It is their people taking it away. Tradition or not, the people have just as much right to determine laws as does the government.

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Originally Posted by stratus_020202

That's retarded. It is their people taking it away. Tradition or not, the people have just as much right to determine laws as does the government.

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Their government is like ours. The minority has more power actually.

As someone who enjoys hunting, fishing, eating meat, etc, I find bullfighting to be pretty horribly barbaric.

That said, given the option, I would not vote for a ban imposed by the government.