Spider X Spider Results

A post on that Kingsnake thread:

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Originally Posted by CEballpythons

There was a breeder in Florida a few years back with a spider (from a spider X spider het pied pair) that had produced 5 clutches over two years that were all spiders. He called it his super spider. I'm having trouble remembering a name, but it wasn't one of the well known breeders (I have a much better memory for ball pythons than I do for people).

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http://forums.kingsnake.com/view.php?id=1831614,1831738

How do you know a super spider would look like a spider? I have never seen a super that looks like the visual het! If the big breeders like BHB and Ralph Davis never produced one and so many others that have tried then they don't exist! Until I see proof from the two that voted, I think they are just trying to stir the pot!

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Originally Posted by seeya205

How do you know a super spider would look like a spider? I have never seen a super that looks like the visual het! If the big breeders like BHB and Ralph Davis never produced one and so many others that have tried then they don't exist! Until I see proof from the two that voted, I think they are just trying to stir the pot!

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Pinstripe. Good chance for normal Womas being that way too.

Also there is such a thing as a dominant trait which, unlike the incomplete dominance that we call "co-dom", shows the same whether it is homozygous or a recessive.

In snakes the most common dominant trait we see is typical wild type over a recessive gene (hence non-visual morphs).

I'd really like to know if there really is a super form of the spider.

I was just thinking about this earlier too, and I got on here to see there was a thread made.

I'm gonna get a female spider sometime and try to prove this thing out. I'm really interested in spiders as it is my favorite morph, but I'm going to try and see if there really is a super form. If not I'll try other things with spider in it like breeding a mojo spider to it or some combo morph to it and see what happens.

Wait... Just to be sure... we are assuming the super spider is simply a homozygous spider, with the same appearance, right? Or do you want to see if there is a distinct looking homozygous form (meaning Spider is the Heterozygous form of some Incomplete Dominant/Co-dom trait)

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Wait... Just to be sure... we are assuming the super spider is simply a homozygous spider, with the same appearance, right? Or do you want to see if there is a distinct looking homozygous form (meaning Spider is the Heterozygous form of some Incomplete Dominant/Co-dom trait)

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Not sure if your post is being directed to me but..
I'm gonna try if I can find something other than just a normal looking Spider, at least some type of change in its coloration whether it gets brighter or darker or some difference in the pattern at least.

Ah, well while you're at it test all your "spiders" to see if they produce Spiders and Normals or just Spiders.

I was actually thinking of getting together some spiders, breeding them, taking the offspring and setting up a group, breeding them all and attempting to get 25-50 eggs, then look at how many are spiders vs normals. Then working with those offspring to see if any dont produce normals.

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Originally Posted by Oxylepy

Ah, well while you're at it test all your "spiders" to see if they produce Spiders and Normals or just Spiders.

I was actually thinking of getting together some spiders, breeding them, taking the offspring and setting up a group, breeding them all and attempting to get 25-50 eggs, then look at how many are spiders vs normals. Then working with those offspring to see if any dont produce normals.

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Yeah for sure I'll do that, I'd really like to see what would be the outcome. I might even breed son back to mommy if I have to try to see if I can find anything that looks different from a regular spider.

I like your idea, that could actually work to prove something. Has pinstripe ever been proven out to be just a dominant?

From my understanding (what I have been lead to believe around here) is that at least one person has a hom pin.

Also if you produce a lot of eggs (I think 50+ would be fine) you can keep track of how many are slugs/rot/etc, how many normals you produce and how many spiders you produce.

If you get 100 eggs and 18 fail, you produce 55 spiders and 27 normals then there is a good chance that the Hom Spider is lethal. If there is around a 75/25 split norm/spider you are looking at a good possibility of having produced a Hom Spider in there, pay attention to the ones that have extreme neurological problems or look a bit different, but breed ALL of them. Every time one produces a normal, you can pull it out of the running.