Habitat vs Tupperwear

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Originally Posted by 771subliminal

20 gal tank = 30" long x 12" wide x 10" tall
35qt tub = 24 1/2”L x 17 3/4”W x 7 1/8”H
bps are not climbing snakes so how tall the tank is really not important as long as they can fit comfortably. even if they were a tub is loseing less than 3"

so
20 gal tank = 30" long x 12" wide = 360" sq
35qt tub = 24 1/2”L x 17 3/4”W = 434 7/8" sq

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Math ftw i didnt go that deep into it here like i did before with the rats but :gj::gj:

I had two snakes in 20 long tanks and spent alot of money on them! My female was always so stressed and always snappy. I got a third snake so I have no room for 3 tanks so I build a rack with 41 quart tubs and she seems alot happier and does eat very well and is no longer snappy and it's only been a few days!

20 long is 30x12
41 quart is 30x18

So they actually got larger enclosures now and I no longer have to mist them! I believed like you until I tried a rack and they are much easier to maintain and keep temps/humidity at proper levels. I think if it is easier to maintain proper husbandry then the snakes are happier with it being steady all the time! Now I have room in my house!!!

By the way, tupperware keeps them fresher!!! ;)

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Originally Posted by seeya205

by the way, tupperware keeps them fresher!!! ;)

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I just dump um all in Tupperware.......and check on em every couple of months

The main thing to remember is that all snakes are different! Each one will react differently to housing, so you just have to place the snake in whatever they do best in - be that tub, tank, or fancy enclosure. No one of those is 'Right', and no one is 'Wrong'...it's whatever is best for the snake.

Personally, I never had any luck with tubs - singly or in a rack. I tried both (heck, I've tried every type of housing over the years), and could never keep the temperatures stable, or the humidity where it needed to be. I tried more holes, less holes, aspen, paper, tall tubs and short tubs... NEVER could get anything to work and my snakes were miserable. I had more feeding refusals in tubs than any other housing.
Tanks, on the other hand, have always worked for me. I still have my two male BPs, both over 700g, in 20gal long tanks and they are SO happy in there. :) The temps always stay within 2 degrees of where they should be, the humidity is great, and they look wonderful. The only reason I don't have all my snakes in tanks...is because you can't stack them. :)
To that end, I have the other 5 of my snakes (corns and BPs) in homemade cages. They work almost as well as tanks, can be stacked, and are much lighter than glass. :) FYI they look really nice too. I will never, ever, go back to tubs...but I do not condemn those who use them.

So, the moral here is this: People will use whatever housing works best for them AND the snakes. There is no ideal...there is only what is best in each situation for each person.

2 of ours are in tanks, one is in a tub. The tub is so much easier to maintain for the snake's needs.

You may not agree with tubs, and we didn't either until we got our pastel. We aren't going to switch our other 2 over to tubs, but the snakes we get in the future will be in tubs.

I understand that you don't agree with tubs, but like others have said, your not going to get much of a good response for your opinions about it, especially from people who feel tanks are wrong. People are very sensitive about their animals and can get extremely defensive if they feel they're being criticized for how they keep their pets.

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Originally Posted by Arsinoe

I've never pretended to like bins for animals. Sure the tanks are more work, but they can have a better quality of life in then and not just exist in a plastic world. The wild guys at least have a choice to hide in a hole, but they also have the choice to come out when they want also. Pet snakes don't have any choices other than what we give them and I just do not agree in a sterile plasticine lifestyle for any living creature.

:taz: Rant Over :taz:

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How do YOU know that your snake has a better quality of life than my animals in tubs (and it's not Tupperwear, btw).

I don't care if I were keeping a single animal - my very first was kept in a "habitat" and went on fast for eight solid months. The week after I "dumped" him into a properly set up tub where he felt more secure, he started to eat. Moved him back to the tank - fasted again, back to tub - ate every week. Which "quality of life" was better for him?

You do manage to offend with your posts, quite often, by seeming to look down at those who choose to put their snake's needs before our own human desires to anthromorphize our animals and put human emotions and needs on them.

I am curious as to how you determined how the snake feels about a tub vs a "comfy habitat".

I keep all of my ball pythons in tubs. They are happy and healthy. That is all that matters to me. Having a pretty display does not matter to me and it does not matter to the snake. The snake will never know the difference.

I will not vote on this poll either. Many people on here have made great points concering your jab at us who keeps our snakes in tubs. The thing is ball pythons like DARK TIGHT places. What does a tub in a rack provide? A dark, warm, humid environment. How ideal. To some point racks can be better than habitats, especially tanks! Glass lets heat out and the screen tops ruin chances at humidity, so to keep humidity up you have to put a rag over the top of tin foil.

Please dont come on here and rag on us who keep our snakes in tubs. We are giving them an ideal environment, and you are no better than us just because you use a realistic enclosure. We love our snakes and wouldnt do anything that would not be beneficial to them.