Animal cruelty for sure.

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Originally Posted by opivy

Wow....

So its not ok to torture an animal and kill it, unless it suits your needs politically?

You guys need to get some help if that's all that it takes to say things are ok. Treating anything alive in this manner is wrong - these are basic rights of anything in the world. I step on bugs here and there, and I swat bee's when they're trying to sting me but I most definitely don't condone and never will an animal, person or otherwise being sacrificed just to prove a point one way or the other. You can EASILY scientifically with past evidence prove that these animals cannot survive these conditions - through autopsies, and through other methods from private owners and corpses found in the wild.

I don't know where this "heard of" article is gathered or quoted from but the entire thing seems preposterous and goober-ed up to begin with. If these are real scientists either someone grossly exaggerated the study or these are the same people who get on youtube in lab coats and tell you that the earth is young.

*gets off soap box*

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i hope you make sure that everything (and i do mean everything) you use in your day to day life has not been tested on animals.

getting "past evidence" would be hard considering that these animals stick within certain ranges in the wild. and a certain temperature range that an animal stays in dosen't always mean it cannot survive in temps that are not "optimal". studies like these happen all the time to determine treats of invaders. i have seen first hand some of these threats. if it wasn't for animal testing, we would not have any of the medications we now have.

even if the animals were not used for the experiment, they would have been killed. when the burms are found by the people who found them (skip snow ect.) they usually kill them and dissect them to see what they have been eating. so at the very least, the animals used for this study are going to preserve a hobby we are all here for.

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

Didnt VPI do the same thing in Texas with a bunch of animals in outdoor enclosures?

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The VPI experiment in question. They had the snakes in indoor/outdoor enclosures where the snakes were free to move about as they chose, not a situation where they were forced to be outdoors at all times.

BG I thought you were leaving?......I am about to picket you not leaving!!!!

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

Yeah that's EXACTLY what BG was saying Willy. You'll try anything to make the fans upset with BG won't yah. BG is condoning puppy killing....maybe that will work. Somethings gotta work. Please let me have the spotlight back.:D Sorry Willy....you'll just have to wait until BG goes on another top secret mission.:P:D

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neil, perhaps in my failed attempts to make you understand that your intellect is so far superior to anyeone's, even mine, you have overlooked to forest for the trees.

I don't give a rat's pointy ass about fans. That's YOUR deal. The fact that you have more than once made a post which can reasonably be taken to mean a certain thing, then once that reasonable thing has been pointed out to not be what YOU thought it was, you have taken refuge in the,"oops, didn't mean to say that/forgot the emoticon/you'll do anything to make me look bad to my fans," stance.

I am unsure why I should care who or what, in the case of the broadass ones, your fans are or are not. Is there some competition of which my minuscule intellect is incapable of perceiving yet which to you is all encompassing? Because I sure don't see one.

Surely one so gifted as you, not only physically but mentally, should be able to flawlessly and consistently write what he means to without confusing the doofuses (doofusi?) such as myself. I mean, it seems to me, far inferior to you, that this should not be a problem but, and this is significant, because I seem to be able to do so myself and, frankly, knowing that I can do something better than you just doesn't seem right. I'm sure you'll agree.

Perhaps in your haste to whip it out and impress these fans you constantly speak of you are not achieving the quality you so rightly deserve to be known for. Perhaps in your zeal to harpoon, or lampoon, those for whom you feel.....envy? no.....hate? again no..... compassion? certainly not ......well, I don't know what it is you feel, no doubt because my simple mind does not have enough neurons, not to mention size (you are the biggest, that's a given) to encompass or experience that which is common place for an intellect as superior as is yours.

Sigh. If ONLY I had a clue about what you were about I would not feel so like a drowning man in the middle of a storm tossed sea with no land or rescue in sight. Alas....

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Originally Posted by wilomn

neil, perhaps in my failed attempts to make you understand that your intellect is so far superior to anyeone's, even mine, you have overlooked to forest for the trees.

I don't give a rat's pointy ass about fans. That's YOUR deal. The fact that you have more than once made a post which can reasonably be taken to mean a certain thing, then once that reasonable thing has been pointed out to not be what YOU thought it was, you have taken refuge in the,"oops, didn't mean to say that/forgot the emoticon/you'll do anything to make me look bad to my fans," stance.

I am unsure why I should care who or what, in the case of the broadass ones, your fans are or are not. Is there some competition of which my minuscule intellect is incapable of perceiving yet which to you is all encompassing? Because I sure don't see one.

Surely one so gifted as you, not only physically but mentally, should be able to flawlessly and consistently write what he means to without confusing the doofuses (doofusi?) such as myself. I mean, it seems to me, far inferior to you, that this should not be a problem but, and this is significant, because I seem to be able to do so myself and, frankly, knowing that I can do something better than you just doesn't seem right. I'm sure you'll agree.

Perhaps in your haste to whip it out and impress these fans you constantly speak of you are not achieving the quality you so rightly deserve to be known for. Perhaps in your zeal to harpoon, or lampoon, those for whom you feel.....envy? no.....hate? again no..... compassion? certainly not ......well, I don't know what it is you feel, no doubt because my simple mind does not have enough neurons, not to mention size (you are the biggest, that's a given) to encompass or experience that which is common place for an intellect as superior as is yours.

Sigh. If ONLY I had a clue about what you were about I would not feel so like a drowning man in the middle of a storm tossed sea with no land or rescue in sight. Alas....

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There was no "oops" on BG's part. BG knows full well what he posted and why he posted it. Although if you don't believe BG, you can keep up with this "look everyone...BG's really not perfect...I am". He's sure your loyal followers(the weak) will believe it.:D Clearly BG wanted everyone to run to the phone and call Peta:rolleyes:(emoticon for Willy)


Since you obviously have not heeded Big Gunns signature about his "big poker". BG will do what you ask. He will put in simple terms so the "doofuses" can fully understand why you have issue with Big Gunns. Unfortunately for you Willy, BG has a way with words that will clearly show your motives.:P


Get your cameras ready fans. Big Gunns is taking out his "Big Poker".:D

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Originally Posted by olstyn

The VPI experiment in question. They had the snakes in indoor/outdoor enclosures where the snakes were free to move about as they chose, not a situation where they were forced to be outdoors at all times.

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That's much better. Anyone that really knows snakes knows what will happen though. There is really no point in the experiment, but BG guesses that it could be used to prove to the dumb that the snakes can't take the cold.

It is kinda weird that this cold snap in Florida might just actually help us. Lucky for us it wasn't a warm winter .

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Originally Posted by Big Gunns

There was no "oops" on BG's part. BG knows full well what he posted and why he posted it. Although if you don't believe BG, you can keep up with this "look everyone...BG's really not perfect...I am". He's sure your loyal followers(the weak) will believe it.:D Clearly BG wanted everyone to run to the phone and call Peta:rolleyes:(emoticon for Willy)


Since you obviously have not heeded Big Gunns signature about his "big poker". BG will do what you ask. He will put in simple terms so the "doofuses" can fully understand why you have issue with Big Gunns. Unfortunately for you Willy, BG has a way with words that will clearly show your motives.:P


Get your cameras ready fans. Big Gunns is taking out his "Big Poker".:D

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Ahhhhh, thankyoueversomuch. I am so looking forward to seeing your skill at work, though I am somewhat concerned that you are spending soooooooo much time with lowly underedumacated me when surely there are vital and important matters that would be better served by your undivided attention.

But, as you say, you know what you're doing so, I suppose, I guess, that you are complimenting me but not in a direct way, as is ever your way, unless, as always, I have misconstrued your true meaning, by lavashing your pokerizing on me.

I take it this means the marionettes are all cleaned, the strings all strung, and the backsides all greased? Wouldn't want you getting any nasty splinters in your fin, er paw, ummm... hand.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Ahhhhh, thankyoueversomuch. I am so looking forward to seeing your skill at work, though I am somewhat concerned that you are spending soooooooo much time with lowly underedumacated me when surely there are vital and important matters that would be better served by your undivided attention.

But, as you say, you know what you're doing so, I suppose, I guess, that you are complimenting me but not in a direct way, as is ever your way, unless, as always, I have misconstrued your true meaning, by lavashing your pokerizing on me.

I take it this means the marionettes are all cleaned, the strings all strung, and the backsides all greased? Wouldn't want you getting any nasty splinters in your fin, er paw, ummm... hand.

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Don't worry Willy, BG hasn't wasted much of his valuable time with yah. As a matter of fact, he didn't want to waste any. However you keep denying the fact that you don't care about having Big Gunns fans, and BG knows you do. BG is pretty sure you realize this fact, but you may be oblivious to it. BG will fix that for yah. BG needs to train though so it might take some time. You have time to take a nap Willy.:P:D

OYE......what the............

What is the dang problem with the two of you. Wilomn and BG that is. You two bicker like an old married couple. GEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Sorry Wilomn...but everytime BG says something it seems like you confront him for something. And BG...you clearly are not gonna take it and fire back...and so it begins.

You two need to chill out your agression towards each other...and don't give me ...."oh I don't have any blah blah blah.....". Do not make me fly out, kidnapp you two and lock you guys in the same room until you get along...:colbert:....I'll do it dang it!!

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Originally Posted by BPelizabeth

OYE......what the............

What is the dang problem with the two of you. Wilomn and BG that is. You two bicker like an old married couple. GEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Sorry Wilomn...but everytime BG says something it seems like you confront him for something. And BG...you clearly are not gonna take it and fire back...and so it begins.

You two need to chill out your agression towards each other...and don't give me ...."oh I don't have any blah blah blah.....". Do not make me fly out, kidnapp Big Gunns and lock us both in the same room until we get it on...:colbert:....I'll do it dang it!!

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BG is sure you would. Didn't you say your hubby is outta town?;):D

Don't worry honey, BG will straighten this fued(not really BG loves Willy) out for yah.:gj: