So i just found out...

what is the wobbles?

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Originally Posted by unspecified42

I just fail to see how it's reasonable to get terribly upset over a trait that is endemic to a morph and isn't affecting it's quality of life at all.

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Im not 'terribly upset'...

and like i said i love her either way.

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Originally Posted by dembonez

what is the wobbles?

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http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...t=44249&page=2

Mel.....It has been shown with breeding that a spiders with no visual wobble can put out others with huge wobbles and vice versa. It has also been show with some....ask Rabernet.....that some that are really really bad...turn out fine later on.

There are tons of threads on this and as always...there are very passionate opinions. Myself....I LOVEeeeeeeeeeeeee wayyyyyyyy too many of the morphs that are made with spiders. I also personally think that the duckbill is adorable! :rolleyes: It has been shown too that the carmels....even if no visable kink...show some deformaties in xrays.

I agree with freaky on this ....all morphs have genetic deformities of some kind on some scale....I am sure some that we don't even know about yet.

I just wanted to quickly interject this:

Spider wobbles are generally accepted by the herp community as "not bad enough to prevent breeding" because - - - Not only do they "just survive", but they THRIVE in captivity. They eat well, they grow, they aren't any more susceptible to disease, and they BREED.

I don't work with spiders, and I am not in the "wobbling is cute" camp, but I'm not going to naysay someone who does breed and sell spiders.

That said, I think it's important for all people who sell spiders to inform every customer of what wobbling is (especially younger customers), what they can expect from the extremes of spider wobbling (or lack thereof), and why if they decide they are fine with it that their snake will likely be just as healthy and thrive in captivity just as any other ball python.

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Originally Posted by mason

To say it is not a big deal is wrong, I imagine it IS a big deal when you drop hundreds of dollars on your first ever ball morph only to find out about a well known neurological issue AFTER the purchase. You only say it's normal/accpetable because the breeders that are trying to sell these snakes say it is. Personally, just because they eat and shed (etc), it's no reason to class is as normal or acceptable for a ball python. Would you be happy with a normal that behaved like that?

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Yes, I would. I don't have a ball python and would die of happiness if I got one. So, if someone gave me a normal that wobbled, would I be happy? You bet I would.

All spiders wobble...

My spider is an adult male and has very little sign of it. Unless he is feeding or being held you wouldnt know. When hes feeding he gets excited and vibrates and bobs his head a little. When you are holding him he will do a mild corkscrew around your arm, occasionally.

There is nothing wrong with a Spider that has a wobble or corkscrew - they act like any other Ball python would and the wobble is genetic. I have not seen the wobble with my Spider at all, but I could really care less if he did happen to have it. Don't freak out about the wobble, it's just a genetic thing with all Spiders and there is nothing wrong with them having it. It is not a disease and does not make the Ball python unhealthy.

I have seen 1 normal wobble before. It wasn't a corkscrew but a good amount of head bobbing. I will be getting a spider soon enough. I love the way they and the morphs they produce look.

I think every spider wobbles. Until someone video tapes a spider for 20 years with out a wobble and I see it I say they all wobble. Spiders are probably the coolest base morph and without them we wouldn't have any of the Bee morphs.

I understand you being worried I really do. Look up the spider wobble on youtube and compare your snake to it. Keep in mind some of the videos are sad and some are just a slight head wobble