Ball Python Eating Puppies?

can't see any problem by the use of unwanted puppies as feeder!
millions of dogs will be gassed and disposed in shelters every year, so why not make them usefull?
for any bigger snake they will make a proper meal.
why not help to reduce overpopulation instead support a cruel industry that produce masses of feeders to be selled frozen under very bad conditions?
just to say i buy frozen feeders so everythting is alright is a little to easy!:colbert:
it's like any other indusrial produced meat, the only thing that counts is profit!
so they wont give a sh*t to the animals what will causes cruel and pain to them!
it's absolute ok for the snake to eat frozen feeders, but never believe there is no cruel or pain given to them!
instead point the finger to a person that takes an objective view on this thing you better should point the finger to those that don't take proper care about the reproduction of their pets.
any good pet owner would never have needed to get of a litter of cubs!
if people don't care about their pets let breed them uncontrolled so it will be their fault.
also any person in the thinking to must breed as an hobby should have to know were the cubs will go BEFORE start breeding.
as long there is no change in their mind and they let their pets breed uncontrolled and rise the overpopulation of them i clearly say use 'em!
also these people don't need it any better than get fooled about were their pets wil go for.
they don't take proper care about them in the past, so why should they do it to their give aways in the future?
or anyone really believe they will think about them again few time after the pet has been taken away?
let them in their believe the whole world is a happy place if they are that ignorant stupid.

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can't see any problem by the use of unwanted puppies as feeder!
millions of dogs will be gassed and disposed in shelters every year, so why not make them usefull?
for any bigger snake they will make a proper meal.
why not help to reduce overpopulation instead support a cruel industry that produce masses of feeders to be selled frozen under very bad conditions?
just to say i buy frozen feeders so everythting is alright is a little to easy!:colbert:
it's like any other indusrial produced meat, the only thing that counts is profit!
so they wont give a sh*t to the animals what will causes cruel and pain to them!
it's absolute ok for the snake to eat frozen feeders, but never believe there is no cruel or pain given to them!
instead point the finger to a person that takes an objective view on this thing you better should point the finger to those that don't take proper care about the reproduction of their pets.
any good pet owner would never have needed to get of a litter of cubs!
if people don't care about their pets let breed them uncontrolled so it will be their fault.
also any person in the thinking to must breed as an hobby should have to know were the cubs will go BEFORE start breeding.
as long there is no change in their mind and they let their pets breed uncontrolled and rise the overpopulation of them i clearly say use 'em!
also these people don't need it any better than get fooled about were their pets wil go for.
they don't take proper care about them in the past, so why should they do it to their give aways in the future?
or anyone really believe they will think about them again few time after the pet has been taken away?
let them in their believe the whole world is a happy place if they are that ignorant stupid.

95% of the time, these posts are just garbage. Some nutcase seeking attention by warning people of the crazy, nasty, snake owner. Because after all, everyone knows all snakes eat not only puppies and kittens, but full grown dogs, potbelly pigs, cows, sheep and small children.

While I am sure there are a few psychopaths out there who troll the classifieds to find free snake food, by and large anyone who has taken the time and trouble to buy, house and raise a giant snake doesn't need to resort to something so asinine to feed it. Most large snake owners don't have a problem finding proper food for their snakes. The occasional report you see of one eating someone else's pet is usually the result of an accident and thankfully they are few and far between. Although to hear the media talk about it, they happen almost daily.

Gale

may you are right, but i'm also absolute sure about those cases happen much more than you would believe.
just think about people that own more than 1-2 snakes, people in the situation not having much money or just people that own a 10ft+ burmese.
for these it would be an very interesting surce for free or cheap food for sure.
do you really believe all of these people will spend much money to buy feeders while they can get it for free.
can't say what you have to pay for feeders like rabbits, piglets or goats, but i'm sure if you will have more than one snake in a size they will need those feeders it will be alot money needed to feed them.
and if you don't have that money or just want to save it, the next thing you will though about are easy to get unwanted pets offered for free or much cheaper than regular offered feeders.
as you was saying about full grown dogs, so i think why not as long you are in the mood to use 'em.
unwanted pets will come up in every size, you just have to pick the right size for your snake.
and why tell the people that give them away what you want them for?
they gave up their pets and it would only make feel them sad or anger about, so i think it's better to let them believe they will go to a new home and let them forget their pets after a short time.
i'm absolutely not hating any kind of animals or want to be cruel in any way as some may will think by my stand to this theme, i'm just have an objective and rational view at this.

Snakechow, I'm not certain if you're a troll, a PETA member or just ignorant of the majority of pet owners.

There's not droves of snake owners running around gathering unwanted pets from craigslist. Also, why do you think all feeder rodents are subjected to cruel practices? Are you one of those that think anyone who makes even a dime of profit off an animal is automatically mistreating them?

Most snake owners don't want their pets harmed by trying to feed something like a dog or cat to them. A kitten can easily kill a snake with a bite that gets infected. Remember that snakes don't have easily obtained antibiotics to heal up a wound, nor is a vet visit to obtain those drugs cheap. Why would anyone want to pay $200 for the possible vet bill in order to use one free kitten for food, when they can easily buy proper feeders for a few dollars?

Feeder rats/mice are normally gassed with CO2 which is a humane method to kill them. It's also the cheapest and easiest method of euthanizing large amounts of rodents, which is why so many use it. Furthermore, feeders are raised in as clean and roomy quarters as possible to make them produce as many feeders and gain weight/size as quickly as possible. So EVEN IF the only motive to someone who produces feeders is profit, they still want to keep them healthy to produce as best they can.

But then, you probably think every snake owner is a ravening fiend who loves to watch small animals die. You'd be wrong, but that hasn't stopped any of the other ignorant folks who continue to believe urban legends that paint us in a poor light.

You really don't know much about keeping large snakes, do you? Anyone who has invested the massive amount of time and money it takes to buy, house, raise and care for a large snake, is not going to bat an eye at food costs. That is just silly. Oh, I invested $50,000 for my new Corvette, but oil changes are expensive so I'm just going to let the hick down the block change my oil so I don't need to spend $50 to have it done right. I mean he knows what kind of oil a car like this needs right? The black kind.

There is no logic to your argument. I am sure there are a FEW people out there, who came by their snakes in a round about way and who barely meet the requirements for keeping one alive who might snag the odd rabbit or guinea pig to feed it, but to say the majority of large snake owners do it to save money is ridiculous. Tantamount to saying everyone who owns a cat goes looking for free birds on the internet to feed it. It's silly.

Not to mention that lots of snakes imprint on certain prey items. So why would any owner risk a snake imprinting on a puppy and refusing all other food? How on earth could anyone expect to find a steady source of puppies to feed? That is beyond ridiculous. They main prey items of most snakes, large and small have the distinct advantage of reproducing quickly. Rats, mice, rabbits even the odd quail for certain species, all of these animals reproduce at an alarming rate. Hence their suitability as prey items. Not to mention they are readily available to pretty much everyone.

You can go ahead and stubbornly cling to your idea of giant snake owners snatching up free puppies for snake food. The way I see it, someday they are all going to choke on the spiders who hatch in their stomach from chewing that gum laced with spider eggs.

Gale

it seems you missunderstand me!
1. my stand is not reduced to kitten and puppies, that was the headline and introduction of the thread.
2. i never was saying all snake owners would do such thing or be cruel, sick or whatever.
also never was saying most snake owners will do such things, i just was saying i have no problem with people that do such.
3. have i ever say a word that means you should feed alive?
4. the use of co2 is some kind of cruel cause the animal suffocates and it lasts some time till the it's gone.
5. i was spoken about indusrial produced feeders, and be sure thats a very nasty business.
just take a look at the prodution of our own meat, and now you really believe the production of feeders is any better than for human consumtion?
6. i eat meat by myself and also don't have any problem that it's needed to feed animals.
7. declare my stand to someting is absolutely no trolling.
8. who gives a f**k to peta, ever known they gassing shelter animals too?
9. just was trying to explain that there is absolute no rational reason not to use unwanted pets as feeders.
10. it seems you take your look at this a little to emotional.
11. there will be absolute no reason to defense the keeping of snakes as pets cause there isn't any bad by this.
12 there is absolute no reason to defense reptile owners for their feeding habits, feeding a pet isn't any bad.
i just have an objective and rational view on the things and can't see any bad by that.
every other one who will make the same should come to the same result at the end!;)

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Originally Posted by snakechow

can't say what you have to pay for feeders like rabbits, piglets or goats, but i'm sure if you will have more than one snake in a size they will need those feeders it will be alot money needed to feed them.
and if you don't have that money or just want to save it, the next thing you will though about are easy to get unwanted pets offered for free or much cheaper than regular offered feeders.

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Incase you were unaware.
Rabbits tend to breed like......... well RABBITS.
That is why we use that saying. So, abundant feeders are not a problem, even for large snakes.

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Originally Posted by snakechow

it seems you missunderstand me!
1. my stand is not reduced to kitten and puppies, that was the headline and introduction of the thread.
2. i never was saying all snake owners would do such thing or be cruel, sick or whatever.
also never was saying most snake owners will do such things, i just was saying i have no problem with people that do such.
3. have i ever say a word that means you should feed alive?
4. the use of co2 is some kind of cruel cause the animal suffocates and it lasts some time till the it's gone.
5. i was spoken about indusrial produced feeders, and be sure thats a very nasty business.
just take a look at the prodution of our own meat, and now you really believe the production of feeders is any better than for human consumtion?
6. i eat meat by myself and also don't have any problem that it's needed to feed animals.
7. declare my stand to someting is absolutely no trolling.
8. who gives a f**k to peta, ever known they gassing shelter animals too?
9. just was trying to explain that there is absolute no rational reason not to use unwanted pets as feeders.
10. it seems you take your look at this a little to emotional.
11. there will be absolute no reason to defense the keeping of snakes as pets cause there isn't any bad by this.
12 there is absolute no reason to defense reptile owners for their feeding habits, feeding a pet isn't any bad.
i just have an objective and rational view on the things and can't see any bad by that.
every other one who will make the same should come to the same result at the end!;)

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So let me get this straight, you say CO2 is cruel...have you ever actually used this method? It is suffocating said rat, but they are gone in about 5-10 seconds at most (I've never seen one last for than that). This method, and cervical dislocation are the only two methods that are approved as humane. Have you toured the rat facilities at RodentPro? Layne Labs? Any other large feeder source? I'm going to guess that would be a no. Therefore, the only reasoning you have behind they are cruel and in terrible conditions is your wild imaginations.

I would never use anyone's pet as a feeder. Whether it be a dog/cat, or a rat. They are looking to REHOME their loved pets, and if they are using craigslist or other classifieds sites, obviously they are trying to avoid putting the animal down / humane societies. So no, it is not right for people to snag up pets to feed off, it's wrong. Not that the snake could eat them, but it is wrong to lie to people about their pets and give the facade that you actually give a crap about their animal's life, or are willing to give them a good home.

and you really believe in this 10 seconds the feeder don't feel any panic or agony, and who can guarantie that their mind isn't working anymore just because the heart and lungs stop to work?
i don't think so!
but by the way that isn't the point at all cause it's simply nessesary.
the other point you talking about is worth a thought for sure.
at adult animals you surely will be right, but if anyone ever had a litter of cub to get of then i don't think so.
as i was saying those people have done something wrong while keeping their pets proper!
they have not care about their pets corectly in the past, how else they would get a surprising litter of cubs?
if you don't have places for them before your pets will breed you will have produced unwanted pets that rise the overpopulation!
it's just stupid to believe to find good homes for all of them!
or what do you believe why there will be that much animals in the shelters?
and the thing that pi**ed me off most at this is that these people don't will lern about their fault and don't will neuter their pets afer the first litter was done.
so it is just a question of time when they will get the next surprising litter!
so why the hell should they have any right to know about what you want them for?
can't agree with you at this.

I'm thinking ignorance and troll.

First, CO2 is humane. It puts the animal to sleep and then they die. They do not suffer agony and they only suffocate(as you put it) after they are asleep. Have you ever watched the process? I have. They walk around and then lay down or all over and there's no struggling and no indication of distress.

But then, you know so much better from all your inner knowledge. From where again?

And again the Big Producers show their facilities and they DO take great care of the breeders and of the feeders for the SAME reason I stated. They live in clean housing, are watered and fed properly so they produce and grow well.

It annoys me to no end to see ignorant people spouting off lies they pick up from HSUS/PETA type groups. Especially when they are presented with facts from people who have first hand experience who refute it with facts and they STILL cling to the junk and lies.

The people are finding homes for the pets. An "accidental" litter is by very label an "accident" and can happen a million ways. It's not a good thing but a lot of people come by their beloved pets that way. If you think that shelter overpopulation is because of over-breeding, you're sadly mistaken and if you look for the truth you'll find it.

And if you don't think it's feeding live, how EXACTLY do you think they're being put down? You can't use CO2 gas on something larger than a rodent. But it's okay, and it happens "all the time" or "more often that we thinK" because YOU say so.

Right. Go troll with your misinformation on Craigslist. You're probably one of those that run about flagging everything and posting that everyone just wants the pets to feed their monsters and inflames the public about responsible herp keepers in the first place.