Lucy bug eyed ball python for $400

If the bug-eye does not affect the quality of life of the snake, then I would breed it. IMO, the wobbling in spiders does not affect them, and I have bred them. I also have some super motley Nic boas that have smaller heads than other Nics, but it does not affect them in any way, so I will breed them. I would also breed scaleless snakes if I had them, because I do not feel that it affects their quality of life.

Regardless of the bug-eyed genetics, $400 is a extremely low price. How old is it, how much does it weigh, does it eat mice/rats, or is it a gerbil eater? I'm like others here, pictures are needed.

Got to be a reason it's selling so cheap.
Jim Smith

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Originally Posted by broadude

While it's true that we have unethical breeders in our midst, may I remind you that NO research has been done to lay the groundwork needed to state that ALL Spiders have the wobble gene? I, for one, have never gotten on that bandwagon, and if I ever do hatch out wobbles they will not be sold.

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I would agree with you, but the fact is that the original spider had wobbles, so all other will. My first spider had no wobbles whatsoever, until he was a couple years old. Then he started wobbling. It is not something that can be bred out, and no breeder can know with 100% surety if their spiders will never wobble.

DO what you believe is right, and quit worrying about what others think ;)

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Originally Posted by Wh00h0069

It is not something that can be bred out

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How do you know this for certain?

Are you a geneticist or are you merely stating your opinion as fact? Again.

From what I have been told and seen in my collection, the lesser x lesser and or butter x butter have the eye problem about 50% of the time. I believe doing lesser x mojave gets rid of the problem but I only have one lesser x mojave bel so I can't say for sure. The lesser x mojave bel I do have is perfect but with such a small sample size I obviously can't say that it definitely rids them of the problem. I posted pics here of my Lesser x lesser bel eyes a month or so ago. Looks like this is just another one of those things that the big guys hide for as long as possible. Just like the spiders, caramels, super black pastels, super cinny's...

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Originally Posted by pfan151

From what I have been told and seen in my collection, the lesser x lesser and or butter x butter have the eye problem about 50% of the time. I believe doing lesser x mojave gets rid of the problem but I only have one lesser x mojave bel so I can't say for sure. The lesser x mojave bel I do have is perfect but with such a small sample size I obviously can't say that it definitely rids them of the problem. I posted pics here of my Lesser x lesser bel eyes a month or so ago. Looks like this is just another one of those things that the big guys hide for as long as possible. Just like the spiders, caramels, super black pastels, super cinny's...

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I'm not familiar the Super Black and Super Cinny problems. What are they?

Here is a link to a thread with pics of my female lesser x lesser bel's eyes. Post #24
http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...=107342&page=3

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

I'm not familiar the Super Black and Super Cinny problems. What are they?

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kinks and deformed noses.

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

I'm not familiar the Super Black and Super Cinny problems. What are they?

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duck bill - flat looking face.

Seen pictures, never seen one in person. Just regurgin what i've read.

http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=93283

check out the link in post #4