Re: how is this justifiable?
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mainbutter
Don't forget, in that specific vid, there is as much training going on for the officer as the dog.
My speakers are broken on my cpu so I can not hear what is being said. If the officer is training then that is better then him knowing what to do already but I still think he is doing a crappy job with that technique. I should note that I am friends with K9 officers and have no problems with their techniques. I just think this guy is better suited for a different approah. More then anything honestly I wish I had not watched the video to have an opinion...
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Originally Posted by
Nate
Some kids laugh when their mom beats them with a wooden spoon :cool:
Hopefully their mom learns fast that technique will not work and to try a different one :D
Re: how is this justifiable?
there is alot in dog behaviour that is used in training that many may feel is over the top for instance. When our Rottie was little we had a devil of a time trying to clip his nails. Our trainer told us to lay on him..Now at first this sounds like a crule thing to do. It isn't what you think as a baby if you put your weight on them till they quit struggling your showing them that your the bigger stronger dog and they stop resisting. After a few times they don't even try to struggle.
Now he is a 90lb dump truck with hair and to this day all I have to do is put my hand on him and exert a little pressure and he will lay there and not even try and squirm. Cause in his mind it's pointless.
Another example..baby gates. We used them to restrict the dogs access to the parts of the house as pups. Now both could easly jump them flat footed..but they won't even try.. All we have to do is prop a gate in the door and they don't even try to get around.
Being the Alpha doens't mean you have to be mean or crule but it does mean at some point you have to prove you are bigger stonger and worthy to be the alpha.
Now both my dogs walk right at my side down the hall or any where. they don't rush past me and wait to go in or out and even "Step back" from the door if they forget till I step out.
Re: how is this justifiable?
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Boanerges
I understand the concept and it will work. My problem with that video is imo that dude does not have the power to do the technique and it is not working!!! Move on to another tactic!!! He is more or less just throwing the dog around and the dog is getting out of it. If he can't keep the dog down why would the dog think the man is the alpha? He is not much of an alpha imo and should just try something else other then jacking the dog up. Just my :2cent:
I completely agree with you about the officer in this vid.
Re: how is this justifiable?
Re: how is this justifiable?
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Originally Posted by
mainbutter
Don't forget, in that specific vid, there is as much training going on for the officer as the dog.
EXACTLY, we know nothing here. This could be the officer's first day with this dog (or any) for all we know.
This is why officer training shouldn't be televised, Joe Q. Public does not know half of what they're working on and with.
Re: how is this justifiable?
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Originally Posted by
Nate
Some kids laugh when their mom beats them with a wooden spoon :cool:
LOL
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Originally Posted by
Boanerges
Hopefully their mom learns fast that technique will not work and to try a different one :D
She did.
Re: how is this justifiable?
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Originally Posted by
Corvid
EXACTLY, we know nothing here. This could be the officer's first day with this dog (or any) for all we know.
This is why officer training shouldn't be televised, Joe Q. Public does not know half of what they're working on and with.
I agree that it should not be taped for the public to see. I do not personally want to see a subordinate type person pretend/try to ba an alpha and fail. Again, just my opinions...
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I can't see the vid but as a puppy I had to teach my doy not to sap at people. I would take her by the scruff, turn her over and hold her snout. Not hurting her though, I as following the vets advise because my puppy was just a puppy needing training or else we would have major agression issues later on. It worked, she's a well behaved bichon now:)
The last vid, showed dogs who need more training on leaving the suspect well trained dogs should respond the first time..
Re: how is this justifiable?
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Freakie_frog
Being the Alpha doens't mean you have to be mean or crule but it does mean at some point you have to prove you are bigger stonger and worthy to be the alpha.
Well said Ed. I'm 5'1" tall. I have two dogs that easily are stronger than I am. They actually did manage to pull me over and drag me almost 4 feet on my face across the ground this summer. Yes they wrenched my back really badly and yep it hurt like the devil but I kept their leashes in my hands and I got back up, gave them hell about it and had them both back under control in seconds. Then I limped away. Not until they both got it real clear that we don't do that crap with the alpha lady. Neither have lunged again on lead with me though it was almost 2 months before my back was strong enough to walk either of them.
You don't have to be mean but you do have to be in charge and even if they are stronger than you, convince them otherwise. :)
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stratus_020202
I agree, if you look at the dogs body language, it looks like he thinks the officer is trying to play. Submissive behavior should look like the tail between the legs, right?
Not always. My male dog, Marrok, submits to me but never like that unless he knows he's in major trouble (stealing kid's toys or the like). Submission from a dog can be just a quiet, calm attitude that says "yep I know you are the boss".
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GoingPostal
Actually the lesser wolf willingly submits, they aren't physically forced. And dogs aren't wolves. Unfortunately "alpha rolling" is one of those holdovers that just won't die, even though the Monks who suggested it have retracted the idea long ago. Looks to me like they aren't training anything, just jerking the dog around. Maybe he's trying to teach the dog that humans are irrational crazy creatures because I imagine that's all the dog got out of it. Looks like it might be a malinois, not a GSD, great working breed.
I'd like to point out that wolf and dog DNA are virtually indistinguishable. And believe it or not, what you see a wolf doing in the wild IS what our domestic dogs should be doing, or at least having those basic needs fulfilled in other ways. Not having those needs met is why we have so many dogs with psychological problems - from aggression, to obsession, hyperactivity, fear, and general behavioral problems.
