List of possible banned snakes

I hope there are no bans.
IMO I do think a permit should be required for keeping the larger snakes. This may include boa constrictors and other middle sized snakes that have never harmed a human. I say this only so the needs of the snakes are met and that the snake(s) can not escape. The permit should have a list of requirements for the proper care of the animal.
IMO It's too easy for an impulse buyer to purchase a snake that is going to get BIG. I saw baby burmese pythons for $60 at an expo a few years ago. These were easily affordable beautiful snakes with the potential of getting over 15 feet!
Bans are not the answer! Not for guns either!

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Originally Posted by HypoPita

duh, you shooting a target is endangering my safety and infringing on my rights...a state away. you should now this, nixer, cmon now. :rolleye2:

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:rofl::rofl::rofl:
i hit what i shoot at but i surely doubt that anyone could for that distance.
perhaps they would shoot better if they held the gun properly or we put sights on the side of the gun :weirdface

Well I only have BP's, however I do honestly believe that if this passes we are just an inch away from banning other things. Already in certain states there are bans on certain dogs in apartments....ie pitbulls, rottys etc. When I first moved to AZ I had a hard time trying to get an apartment because I had a pit mix. I know here if something happens or those animals are turned into the humane society...they do not even get a chance to get adopted.

It is really ppls general ignorance! They hear a story and run with it. Just like when ppl see my BP's they instantly talk about the girl that got killed in FL. Hello...not a BP. I personally take it upon myself to educate everyone I know in regards to snakes. If I can make a difference in the few hundred I know....good deal. (I work at a school) so I am talking about friends and kids and parents at school.

As far as the politicians...well they are listening to these special interests groups.... I think one person talked about shipping companies and the tax involved that the gov. receives on selling them. I think that is an area that someone should ivestigate and really bring to the attention of those politicians. I also think ....ok lets comprimise....for those snakes in question...get a license. Pay a small fee...like a dog. Is it the best idea....probably not however it is a comprimise. Maybe if you are a breeder have some type of permit. I don't know!! Just suggestions ...instead of banning them. Maybe chipping them would be a good idea so if someone does release....and it is caught that person has to pay a fine. ??


Maybe to get a license you have to go through some online training ...kind of like a read this and then a test to get your license....maybe then uninformed ppl that get them and don't know how to take care of them will be discouraged from buying them.

I am just trying to give the ppl that have a voice on here when it comes to this debate ideas to comprimise instead of the politicians saying ....BANNED!

All of this is just ideas coming from someone that doesn't even have them....just do not want to see this happen ....I truly believe that this decision will affect all of us down the road eventually.

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Originally Posted by BPelizabeth

As far as the politicians...well they are listening to these special interests groups.... I think one person talked about shipping companies and the tax involved that the gov. receives on selling them. I think that is an area that someone should ivestigate and really bring to the attention of those politicians. I also think ....ok lets comprimise....for those snakes in question...get a license. Pay a small fee...like a dog. Is it the best idea....probably not however it is a comprimise. Maybe if you are a breeder have some type of permit. I don't know!! Just suggestions ...instead of banning them. Maybe chipping them would be a good idea so if someone does release....and it is caught that person has to pay a fine. ??

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Unfortunately, this is already the case in Florida. Burms (maybe others?) require microchipping and a permit. However, like in the case of the two-year-old's death, people can just ignore the law until it comes and bites them in the butt. There are a couple problems concerning this with our current situation: (1) If I remember correctly, this permit/chip law was only enacted fairly recently, so they haven't given it enough time to actually start working; (2) The permit/chip law was enacted after Burms had already populated southern Florida, so it does nothing to help the wild Burm problem (though, it somewhat keeps others from being released).

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Originally Posted by nixer

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
i hit what i shoot at but i surely doubt that anyone could for that distance.
perhaps they would shoot better if they held the gun properly or we put sights on the side of the gun :weirdface

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on a side note: maybe we can go shooting sometime after I get my gun license. I turn 21 next month..yessssss :banana:

I find it pretty frustrating and irrational for their first move to be a complete ban, instead of requiring a permit!!

liquor license -> sale -> 21 -> buy -> drink

permit -> car -> experience -> license

permit (course?) -> gun

snake -> BAN :confused:

In all honestly, I think a req'd course for reptiles would be a reasonable thing, and maybe even a good thing for the animals. Possibly conducted by herp societies in the style of the Motorcycle Safety Course available in Illinois.

Perhaps the herp society has sign up for, and hosts, an informational course on reptiles (specific to type of animal?) on a weekend; either on a monthly or annual basis, where sign up is 20 dollars or some other low cost to hold their place, the course is conducted, and what the msf course did was gave you the option at the end to either donate that 20 dollars to help their funding or request a refund of that money. It was basically used as collateral so you did not take up a space and not show up.

I don't think it should be like a huge test or way too critical into husbandry. Honestly we all do things a bit differently, and it works; but a general jist is a good idea. Getting to see and handle the larger snakes to know what you are getting into would be a fantastic idea.

This, ofcourse, as with anything, raises the problem of funding. That would all have to be figured out. I don't want to be one of the people that goes "oh, well the government should have this awesome course thing and fund it all" or "people should be required to pay [some ridiculous price] to take the required class class." I always get confused when people think the government can just shell out for every little thing; If you want them to, don't complain about hiking the taxes, imo.

This may not be fully clear, idk, I am kind of in a rush and preoccupied, but I think you guys understand what I'm saying. :gj:

For those of you who keep ball pythons, or colubrids, or lizards, please keep the following in mind:

"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me."

WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER. If we do not stand with our fellow reptile keepers who work with Burms and AfRocks, make no mistake about it--WE will be next. HSUS has made its agenda abundantly clear. They have declared war on us. If we look ONLY to our own selfish interests and do not do our darnedest to support our fellow herpers, we will all MOST CERTAINLY lose the war.

MAKE THOSE PHONE CALLS. I don't care if all you own is a leopard gecko--MAKE the calls. If you own any herp, then this DOES affect you--immediately and directly. Act accordingly!

With the idea of the license testing.....I was thinking more along the lines of ppl being able to open up companies ...be that online. It adds to the economy....its another private business...and to me it might help those ppl that get snakes and have NO idea what they are doing and eventually kill the snake.

Just an idea....I certainly wouldn't want the gov. to run...I am NOT a fan of big government. I am not sure how the logistics of it would work out. (I am sure if this was something to move forward with ...I could figure it out. I have a friend that owns a company that teaches classes to ppl that are about to loose their licenses.) But ....again just an idea to maybe comprimise. And its another avenue for someone to open a business.

I am trying to just come up with solutions or ideas for the ppl that are fighting this directly. Since I am not up in front of these politicians the only thing I can do is send a letter or an email or call, but that is it. Not to discount that but.........

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Originally Posted by BPelizabeth

I think one person talked about shipping companies and the tax involved that the gov. receives on selling them. I think that is an area that someone should ivestigate and really bring to the attention of those politicians.

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Interesting point. I wonder if anybody has a contact at UPS, Fedex and Delta that could get this information?