Cinnamon VS Black Pastel

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Originally Posted by MarkS

A snake that is both cinnamon and black pastel produces a black snake just like a snake that is both lesser platinum and mojave produces a white snake. (both are different mutations of their same respective gene)

Well, by my calculations there would be 8 different possibilities.

Pewters that were cinnamon x pastel
Pewters that were black pastel x pastel
Cinnamons
Black Pastels
Pastels
Normals
Pastel black snakes (pastel + cinnamon + black pastel) (I don't know what these are called)
black snakes (cinnamon + black pastel) (Not sure what these would be called either)

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Ok so the pewters would all look the same even though they may have cinny or black pastel behind them?

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Originally Posted by pythonkeeper16

Thanks everyone for your help. I am probably going to go with the Black Pastel just because of the Silver Streak. I like the potential outcomes of Black Pastel X Lemon Pastel more then the Cinny X Lemon Pastel.:banana:

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Go look and see if you can find one from IanG at Outback Reptiles.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

mojave is what they call a deluted gene. lesser and mojave are different, but lesser x butter is the same thing as cinny x black pastel, same morph different line.

i can put 2 normals next to each other that will look way more different than the cinny/black pastel you posted above, could probally find pastels that look more different. there are cinny/black pastels that look pretty similar.

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Not it's not. I've never heard of mojave being called a diluted gene. It's simply a different mutation of the same gene that lesser is a mutation of.

Sure, there is quite a bit of variability in ball pythons, but, for the most part, a normal is obviously a normal, a cinnamon is obviously a cinnamon and a black pastel is obviously a black pastel. I think it is pretty easy to distinguish the differences between most cinnamons and most black pastels, which to my mind makes it a different mutation.

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Originally Posted by WildCreations

Ok so the pewters would all look the same even though they may have cinny or black pastel behind them?

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Personally I think they look different and I think most of the time (not always of course, as I mentioned above there is quite a bit of variability in ball pythons) it's easy to distinguish between pewters made with black pastels and pewters made with cinnamons.

I think a cinny X black pastel make the best black balls or aka 8ballz

they are both great morphs!

https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...331_edited.jpg

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Not it's not. I've never heard of mojave being called a diluted gene. It's simply a different mutation of the same gene that lesser is a mutation of.

Sure, there is quite a bit of variability in ball pythons, but, for the most part, a normal is obviously a normal, a cinnamon is obviously a cinnamon and a black pastel is obviously a black pastel. I think it is pretty easy to distinguish the differences between most cinnamons and most black pastels, which to my mind makes it a different mutation.

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there been plenty of threads about this topic, the fact that a super mojave is not a BEL, the fact that a mystic/mojave makes a mystic potion instead of a BEL, and other combos, its a deuted gene

the most part doesn't work, there normals that are mistaken for cinnys there are normals mistaken for pastels. looking different doesn't not make it a normal (yea double negative). and looking different doesn't make it a different mutation, its all in the genetics, lessers and butters used to look different but after a few generations... who can tell anymore with some of them. bet you in a few years cinny/black pastel will be the same way.

cinny x cinny = black pastel x black pastel = black pastel x cinny = black snake white bottom = same morph different line. pastel x cinny/black pastel = pewter, same concept as all the different lines of pastels. just because theres extreame examples of each doesn't change the genetic code.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

there been plenty of threads about this topic, the fact that a super mojave is not a BEL, the fact that a mystic/mojave makes a mystic potion instead of a BEL, and other combos, its a deuted gene

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I've never seen anybody say that super mojos are not BEL's. I have seen people say that the potion is possibly an extremely dirty luecistic snake. Unless you map genes, there's no real way to tell on any of these that are possible alleles.

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Originally Posted by dreese88

I've never seen anybody say that super mojos are not BEL's. I have seen people say that the potion is possibly an extremely dirty luecistic snake. Unless you map genes, there's no real way to tell on any of these that are possible alleles.

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Leucism is a condition characterized by reduced pigmentation in animals and humans. Unlike albinism, it is caused by a reduction in all types of skin pigment, not just melanin - wiki

super mojos yellow and have grey heads... not a lucy sorry.

and again how can potion be a lucy when it has pigment? and its easy to prove

Pastel Mojave bred to a normal can make other pastel mojaves 1/4 chance

Mojave x Lesser bred to a normal cannot make others, but mojave x mojave obviously different from lesser x lesser amoung other combos, so one is a diluted version of the other.

take a potion and bred it to a normal, can it make other potions? o look it can't it, deluted morph of same gene. if it can then guess their different morphs all together.

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

Leucism is a condition characterized by reduced pigmentation in animals and humans. Unlike albinism, it is caused by a reduction in all types of skin pigment, not just melanin - wiki

super mojos yellow and have grey heads... not a lucy sorry.

and again how can potion be a lucy when it has pigment? and its easy to prove

Pastel Mojave bred to a normal can make other pastel mojaves 1/4 chance

Mojave x Lesser bred to a normal cannot make others, but mojave x mojave obviously different from lesser x lesser amoung other combos, so one is a diluted version of the other.

take a potion and bred it to a normal, can it make other potions? o look it can't it, deluted morph of same gene. if it can then guess their different morphs all together.

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So in your opinion, are black eyed lucy's luecistic?

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Originally Posted by dreese88

So in your opinion, are black eyed lucy's luecistic?

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its not opinion, luecistic has a definition