I need mucho helpo!

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Originally Posted by cornball252

Not starting anything but I got a breeder female pastel for 260 at daytona.... and you can get a male spider thats 500 grams for 350 easy.

But I agree do it for the love because truth is you most likely wont even break even. you will end up in the hole.

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Is it Brown?

bps are not money makers. i have 23 snakes 13 are bps only trying to breed 1 pair thisyeard to see if i can do so as planned event.

Most of my snakes are aquired second hand, meaning i got a call to come get them after the kid,young adult ,previous owner grew tired of them, abandon them, or was forced to give them up for this or that reason. Out of those 23 snakes i have purchased only (9 snakes) 3 other were the result of unplanned breedings. I have one snake that eat more in month than I do on a single day. She eating 2( when I got them) jumbo large rats every week and at 10+ a piece they not cheap ( and this is a rescued snake)

I can bet I spent more in building racks, buying tubs , aquiring rodents ( for breeding) than I have for most my entire collection.


this does not count the amounts of bedding( pine for rodents, aspen for snakes) I get each month, or the food for rodents or buying extra rodents when they not producing fast enough, or the electric each month. I bet I spend about 50+ bucks a month on just maintance and i have been keeping snakes since I was 14 ( currently 32) easly. in that time i think I made 100 buck ( usely in the removal of snakes for people Native speciaes that are released else were) I never counted for gas( in truck), vet, permits, into any of this.

If I do prove out the het pied this Planned breeding I would still be inth hole at least 3 grand and that if I had eggs and they all hatched/sold as visible pieds. and that just this year's debt. I have to produce about 20 clutchs of bees, and pieds to get out of the hole right now. And that would not make up for the rest of this year or int onext year cost ( that would be 20 clutches that were dropped in my lap and all hatched out a visible morph and i had a seller lined up so that I was just packaging them from the egg int oa box to be shipped. ( not going to happen)

What you need to do is get a set up ( proper one for a ball python) have it running for 3-4 weeks andsee if stable ) then get a normal hatchling, spend the time to raise it up for 3 years to see if this is somethign you want to do. Then get the morphs. I have of breeding weight and age 4-5 females and only breeding my 07 het pieds.

I can give you sa prefect example of why do it the long way . my niece wanted the boa I have in the collection ( largest snake I ever took in ) She promised to come over help care for it (I supervise) this was great for about a month ( the help was great and really needed at times) that was 2 years ago, Since that time she only helps if 1 she allowed down ( parent issues), I remind her of her saying she promised to help. Most the time it up to my mother and I to do it all ( we both have cerbal plasey never can spell it right ) and the getting up and down out of the floor( since i lack proper room to have a table to work on) will kill either of us in like 10 minutes.


you figure I have an 8x9 room ( with the closet removed) that housed 2 4ft x 30 in racks ( about 5 ft tall) each holding about 12 tubs( 41 quart ) then I got a 2ft x 2ft (about 4ft tall coke machine that still got ot be turned into an incubator ) plus 2 4ftx2ftx 2ft custom cages I built that only hold 3 snakes. all of this plus a space to walk/drag out tubs. and store the extra bailes of pine and aspen in the room I am lucky that mom likes to watch the rodents and has 4 40 gall reptile tanks setup for asf and rats so they are in her room.


I personally would need a single car garage or larger to house just the current collection

so rought possible break down you could look at if just tryingot make a buck

cost to breed right and make a profit withing 4 years ( cause anything befoer that means double the animals and space ( plus keeping all the females back for the first 2 seasons.)
the start up animals ( sub adults at least 10k depends on when and what kind of morph)
proptry to raise, house and store evrything cause this would not be a bedroom job ( not counting a morgate or the cost of building a special building ) as it mostly likey not gonig ot be ok with parent(s) or your life partner to have them in the house unless really lucky and got a reptile over.

so say another 3k in electric forheating and lights if lucky to live in a ok temp area.

food,supplies, cages,( the food's supplies) for 2 years roughly 4k( this would also depend on the size of the collection so could be higher )
so right now your looking at least 16k and that only if you got lucky on the building and a steal on the mophs.

Thiss does not cover any possible vet trips,meds permits, Licenses inspections and othe rpossible things to get started.


SO before you go thinknig you can makea quick buck breeding snakes your wrong. it may seem like it when al lthe money first comes in but it going right back out in the log run. to do so and be profittable you would have to lucky, have a well planned out business plan, a larger bankroll to start. The breeders on these sites are not doing so ( for the most part as their only income) they do it as a hobby that at times turns a profit. that profit might be only a thank you or a trade with another breeder for a morph they don't have.


I might sound like a nut or a person ranting but I had to put a lot of thought into my reptile keeping plans and hopes. It took me the last 2 years to even consider wanting to breed. My first experience was a nightmare from a result of a rescued pair kept together and only been in my care for about 6 weeks. I was running aorund searching for info tossing money out in the air ( that I didn't even have)for stuff I needed once i figure that out. I still have 2 of those 5 snakes in my collection. That been over a year now gonig for 2. Breeding is not a get rich quick event. My breeding plans are so right now to produce a snake I can't afford any other way. PLus wut hthe rescent economy like it ben this last year snakes are not a fast selling item between people losing their main income, their homes amoing other things pets are taking a back burner to say,( just look at craigslist). I wanted ot purchase 3 morphs this season ( one mom been looknig for but can't find since she saw it at the first reptile show over a year ago.

Since you are 16, here is my 2 cents.

Like you said $350. The best thing to do in my opinion would be to buy 2 Female pastels HATCHLINGS and grow them up. By the time you are moving out or making decissions on your own about your living situation they will able to breed. You can buy the male (in this case a spider for bee's) somewhere between that time since they can breed younger. You will learn alot about them too.

If were in your situation I would go this way: try to save a little more and buy a female pastel and a female spider. Then buy a male pastel a little later. That way you have a shot at making bumble bees and super pastels down the road.

Dont jump to conclusions and kill a "child's" (for lack of a better word at the moment, is late and Im tired :P) dream.

You all (meaning most) point out things in such a negative way! Give him some credit. At least he is trying to make a plan out of his future live, which I cant say the same about most people... Hell Im 26 and Im still trying to figure out what to keep studying!

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Originally Posted by ilovemyballs

Ok i understand now how my post looks, but i love snakes, and reptiles more than cheese cake, and if you knew me, you would know that is A LOT! But I dont care about making money, im 16, have a job, and want to breed snakes while i am young so that when i get older, i can make breeding my career. I love my snake, and reptiles so much, and just the thought of someone taking advantage of these animals for a profit disgusts me. I am dedicating my life to snakes, and the advance in their population, and genetics.

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I realize that you aren't into BP's for the money. I definitely understand the appeal of breeding bp's now and producing bumblebees next year. In my experience, when it comes to breeding snakes, whenever you try to rush anything you get negative results. If you really want to make breeding a career you have to take small steps. There really aren't many career breeders in the world and those that are spent a lot of time getting there.

PATIENCE is they key when it comes to this hobby. It's going to take a very long time and a handful of failures before you start making any kind of money back - and it's not guaranteed that you will!

Like others have said, start with buying a really nice pair. You'll spend good money housing and feeding them - and, if you're lucky, down the road you may make your money back selling offspring. Most likely when you first get into snakes you will lose a lot more money then you make. But, if you really love snakes, then you have to realize it's all about the journey. Seeing a beautiful baby snake that can fit in the palm of your hand grow and grow into an amazing adult and seeing that adult produce a whole new generation of babies - it's amazing!!! .......And if you do start making money.... feel lucky!

Thank you guys for you're help, it has shown me what i need to do. I will Just get a nice female pastel and raise it.

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Originally Posted by Danounet

Since you are 16, here is my 2 cents.

Like you said $350. The best thing to do in my opinion would be to buy 2 Female pastels HATCHLINGS and grow them up. By the time you are moving out or making decissions on your own about your living situation they will able to breed. You can buy the male (in this case a spider for bee's) somewhere between that time since they can breed younger. You will learn alot about them too.

If were in your situation I would go this way: try to save a little more and buy a female pastel and a female spider. Then buy a male pastel a little later. That way you have a shot at making bumble bees and super pastels down the road.

Dont jump to conclusions and kill a "child's" (for lack of a better word at the moment, is late and Im tired :P) dream.

You all (meaning most) point out things in such a negative way! Give him some credit. At least he is trying to make a plan out of his future live, which I cant say the same about most people... Hell Im 26 and Im still trying to figure out what to keep studying!

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thank you, you are one of the few people who haven't jumped down my throat.

Do you have a plan for what is going to happen to these animals when/if you go to college? Most colleges require freshman to live on campus, and you CANNOT have any live animals besides fish on campus, PERIOD. Dont try to sneak it in, or pull a fast one, it wont work. I think you should just keep this as a hobby and not try to get into breeding until you are settled more, and by that time morphs will be much less expensive and much more available to the average keeper. I know it sucks, but sometimes waiting is definitely worth it. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by Danounet

Since you are 16, here is my 2 cents.

Like you said $350. The best thing to do in my opinion would be to buy 2 Female pastels HATCHLINGS and grow them up. By the time you are moving out or making decissions on your own about your living situation they will able to breed. You can buy the male (in this case a spider for bee's) somewhere between that time since they can breed younger. You will learn alot about them too.

If were in your situation I would go this way: try to save a little more and buy a female pastel and a female spider. Then buy a male pastel a little later. That way you have a shot at making bumble bees and super pastels down the road.

Dont jump to conclusions and kill a "child's" (for lack of a better word at the moment, is late and Im tired :P) dream.

You all (meaning most) point out things in such a negative way! Give him some credit. At least he is trying to make a plan out of his future live, which I cant say the same about most people... Hell Im 26 and Im still trying to figure out what to keep studying!

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Great advice. That is what i am doing right now!!! lol. Or trying to at least. I have a normal female and am trying to buy a pastel female. 09's then i want to get a pinstripe female as soon as i get money. Then im going to get one spider male once theyre big enough. Which leads me to say that they dont have to get both pastels if they dont want to. They could get something for a different combo they like.

I would just go with a female pastel and a female of something else that you like because when you actually do pastel x spider you are most likley going to get some pastels or spiders that you could use to breed instead of buying a new male. Or you could sell them for what ever your looking for. I wouldnt buy a female spider as an 09 to breed to a pastel. You dont really need two pastels and two spiders unless thats all you want to do is breed bumblebees, then you could still get along with just pastel females and one spider male.

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Originally Posted by aaramire

Do you have a plan for what is going to happen to these animals when/if you go to college? Most colleges require freshman to live on campus, and you CANNOT have any live animals besides fish on campus, PERIOD. Dont try to sneak it in, or pull a fast one, it wont work. I think you should just keep this as a hobby and not try to get into breeding until you are settled more, and by that time morphs will be much less expensive and much more available to the average keeper. I know it sucks, but sometimes waiting is definitely worth it. Good luck.

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Most colleges only require freshmen to live on campus if they live far away from home. I have no idea of all campus rules but some may accept snakes. I wouldnt know. When I go to college I plan on keeping my snakes at home and driving home on the weekends since its only like an hour away. Then after a year or two I can look for an apartment/ rent place that allows pets. Or not. I might not even have to do that.

I think you made a good decision. Get a nice 09 Pastel and Spider and raise them. That's what I'm doing. You gain much more appreciation/understanding for the snake!

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Originally Posted by I<3Dreamsicles

Most colleges only require freshmen to live on campus if they live far away from home. I have no idea of all campus rules but some may accept snakes. I wouldnt know. When I go to college I plan on keeping my snakes at home and driving home on the weekends since its only like an hour away. Then after a year or two I can look for an apartment/ rent place that allows pets. Or not. I might not even have to do that.

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Trust me, college campuses WILL not allow any animals on campus, thats just how it is. I am currently in college and living off campus in order to keep my snakes.