Will Liasis ever take off?

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Originally Posted by sg1trogdor

I agree with you I have to this day never seen a mack or savu or any liasis that I can recall and in my opinion if I don't see them then they must not be there. People keep saying your underestimating the numbers but that statement is as much of a statement of opinion as ours saying their aren't many around. Now if I walked into a pet shop and could find liasis then I would start to think maybe there are more out there but until that day, they are few and far between. I have been looking for an olive for a while and never seem to find any babies. You would think if there were so many out there then you would see more CB babies. I would love for them to get as popular as some of the other snake species but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

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All depends on where you're located.

Within a 50 mile radius I can see about 4 macklotti, 2 olives, a water and two savu for sale.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

All depends on where you're located.

Within a 50 mile radius I can see about 4 macklotti, 2 olives, a water and two savu for sale.

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True but if there were soo many out there then wouldn't they be a little more widespread not just little pockets. Now this may be due to ease of acquisition in certain areas, but I cannot think of any reason why you wouldn't be able to find them through out. IDK I'm just talking outta my arse as Pattycakes would put it. All I know is I never see them except for a few on KS every now and then.

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Originally Posted by sg1trogdor

I agree with you I have to this day never seen a mack or savu or any liasis that I can recall and in my opinion if I don't see them then they must not be there. People keep saying your underestimating the numbers but that statement is as much of a statement of opinion as ours saying their aren't many around. Now if I walked into a pet shop and could find liasis then I would start to think maybe there are more out there but until that day, they are few and far between. I have been looking for an olive for a while and never seem to find any babies. You would think if there were so many out there then you would see more CB babies. I would love for them to get as popular as some of the other snake species but I don't see it happening anytime soon.

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the one reptile shop I've been to nearby has had macks on occasion, and currently has some.

I would love to find a male for my female. Haven't stumbled upon one yet from someone I would buy from. There were 4 hatchling females at the Columbus show a couple months ago. Had Neil had some males, I would have snagged one. Of course I prefer an adult so I am making the search harder.

As for them becoming popular, I still have yet to figure out why they are not. People may think they are just a "plain brown snake" but my girl (I think) is stunning. Lighter with the darker freckles and they are hard to beat in the looks department when they are out in the sun.

BPs are my passion, but I have said time and time again that my Macklots is my favorite snake by far! I bought her at 4 years old. She came from a kid heading off to college who spent alot of time with her. She has a home with me until the day she dies. Puppy dog tame, most of the time. Hard to get a shot of though because she is always moving, wants to inspect everything. She is actually the one I bring out when people want to see a snake.

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Originally Posted by catawhat75

Puppy dog tame, most of the time. Hard to get a shot of though because she is always moving, wants to inspect everything. She is actually the one I bring out when people want to see a snake.

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That's why I think they have potential - they're curious and active. I think of all my snakes, these have the best "personality" of any of them. I find myself being watched and followed (stalked? :)) by them anytime I'm in my snake room. My female seems to have this obsession for being on top of my head at all times when I have her out. I'm not sure what that is, but if she's not there, she's absolutely trying to get there ASAP

Te genus will never become more popular becuase most herpers today are just after the latest trendy morphs, and most simply dont appreciate a brown snake, its as simple as that.

Of the 5 taxons in the genus none are common, though savus and macklotts can be found fairly easily. Olive pythons are rare and Fuscus are VERY rare, particularily Australain fuscus.

in fact fuscus are one species that could be lost to herpetoculture int he next several years. It took me 2 years to find a pair of Australian fuscus, and in that time I only came across a few specimens and in most cases the owner knew nothing about where they came from.

The last species is the Dunns pythons Lasis macklotti dunni and they are already lost to US herpetoculture. There were animals in the US but due largely to a lack of interest they are no longer to be found in this country.

For the record I keep Macklotti, savuensis, fuscus and olivaceous.

When i get more money i am gonna have liasis like there is no tomorrow i love olives one of my faves.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

I think you are underestimating the numbers of olives, macklott's, savus and fuscus out there.

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I think your underestimating how uncommon they actually are im going to guess most people on this forum have never seen one in person I know I haven't although I plan owning a macklot and an olive python one day.

And here i thought these animals WERE pretty darn popular.....

Nothing like Xenopeltis, or, oh.... any Ptyas for instance...... Right. Ill be on my merry way. :)

You're right, they just aren't around that much. I went to Tinley NARBC last weekend looking to buy a pair of Macklott's and I couldn't find a single one at the entire show. I did see a few Savus that I almost picked up, but I ended up getting a pair of granite spotted pythons since they have similar color, iridescence, care and temperament as Macklott's, even it they only reach 1/3 to 1/2 the size. I'm always saying how Liasis species are too underrated, and that I wish I saw more of them in the hobby. I don't know what it is that keeps them down in popularity, being that they generally don't get any larger than most of the boa species that are so popular. And other than white lipped pythons, most have decent temperaments and great 'personalities'. Not to mention they are faily easy to breed in captivity and can produce decent sized clutches. I can tell you that I am personally planning to reduce the size of my ball python collection to free up enough space to start working with a few different python species, and macklott's are near the top of my list. I am looking for very reduced freckled animals, and it's hard enough to find any for sale, so it might take me a while, but I will have a breeding group one day.