H.r. 3501

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

Im concerned with this point.

or did this already get cleared up?

`(1) QUALIFIED PET- The term `qualified pet' means a legally owned, domesticated, live animal.

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im also concerned with that it leaves alot to interpretation

Only reason I mention it is it leaves a lot of "room" for a domesticated pet.

For instance, most places don't allow pets when you rent.

But I didn't have any problems when I told em I had some snakes.

I just don't see the Government calling our snakes "domesticated"

Maybe I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

Only reason I mention it is it leaves a lot of "room" for a domesticated pet.

For instance, most places don't allow pets when you rent.

But I didn't have any problems when I told em I had some snakes.

I just don't see the Government calling our snakes "domesticated"

Maybe I'm wrong.

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well i for one agree with you, but also there is many different definitions of domestication.

then again F&W ventures off to name many many animals as domesticated

everything from cows to canaries

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Originally Posted by 2kdime

Im concerned with this point.

or did this already get cleared up?

`(1) QUALIFIED PET- The term `qualified pet' means a legally owned, domesticated, live animal.

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Heck, despite the fact that many species of snake have been captive bred for over a dozen generations and come in many varieties or morphs, most people who KEEP them don't consider them domesticated, how in the world can you expect the government to?

I suspect, that despite evidence to the contrary, most hobbyists don't WANT reptiles to be considered domesticated. There is a certain allure to keeping a 'wild' animal as a pet.

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Originally Posted by MarkS

Heck, despite the fact that many species of snake have been captive bred for over a dozen generations and come in many varieties or morphs, most people who KEEP them don't consider them domesticated, how in the world can you expect the government to?

I suspect, that despite evidence to the contrary, most hobbyists don't WANT reptiles to be considered domesticated. There is a certain allure to keeping a 'wild' animal as a pet.

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yes but then again if you go by the lacey act it says this:


As used in this subsection, the term “wild” relates to any creatures that, whether or not raised in captivity, normally are found in a wild state; and the terms “wildlife” and “wildlife resources” include those
resources that comprise wild mammals, wild birds, fish (including mollusks and crustacea), and all other
classes of wild creatures whatsoever, and all types of aquatic and land vegetation upon which such wildlife
resources are dependent.


but then again if you look through the many pages of documents that are online, many say domesticated for many animals which are not domesticated

I dont trust it... Not one bit.. This is just another way to keep track of what we have. If say, a ball breeder claims hundreds on vet care for treatment, the government would have a hayday with that. You can't have over so many animals for breeding and selling out of your home with out certain business certs and license's.

It would just give them a reason to come take your animals.

Many cities have a limit on how many dogs or cats you can own. Also limits on the number of birds or reptiles. Not to mention limits on what type of reptile you can have..

I wont support this bill.. Its way too fishy.

If you are running a reptile breeding business, you already claim veterinary expenses as part of your business expenses, so there is no need to duplicate the claim, which is why they are not included in the bill.

I do agree that the definition of a domesticated animal must be settled before the Bill should go to any kind of vote. I'm not sure that I agree with the idea of a tax reward for pet owners in general, as that is a personal choice, and people who are not inclined to get pets should not get them just so they can claim a deduction.

It also depends on whether or not people will be required to prove the money spent in order to get the deduction. It looks like they will, which is a good thing.

If we can get 'Domesticated' defined to include pet reptiles, birds, fish, and small mammals that are commonly kept (similar to the way Nebraska defines domesticated), then I would support the Bill, because it think it will help animals, not necessarily because I think owning a pet deserves a tax deduction.