Where do you see the BP morph market in 10 years?

Yeah, I have already seen pastels and spiders in smaller stores...but not Petco and Petsmart...yet.

I do not think the price of normals will go down. One of two things will happen--it will stay about the same (equivalent to inflation, of course!), or it will go up slightly. A lot depends on how things go in Africa. If the supply of CH babies were to drop, CBB baby normals would be in higher demand, and prices would rise. The vast bulk of normal babies in the country come from Africa, not breeders. Breeders will continue to focus on morphs and other special animals.

I do think some of the low-end morphs will come down within range of regular consumers. Pastels may go down in price to the level of normals, and you may see males in pet stores. Ditto for yellowbellies, a variety of hets, spiders, womas, cinnamons, and pinstripes. Most females will be held back or sold within the ball community, and only males will be seen in the general market. We'll see more triple-combo-morphs, and even quadruple combo-morphs. More morphs will have been discovered. I think that the numbers in the game will be about the same, only the faces will change (IE, which morphs are pricey, which combos are hot, etc).
Since balls grow and breed so slowly, 10 years is only 3 or 4 generations after all!

I think we will see more line-bred morphs, rather than single-gene or combo-gene morphs.

The ball python has been a popular pet for decades--it will remain popular for the same reasons it became so in the first place. It's not a fad animal, but a staple of the market.

in 10 years i think you will see combos like on the python game website thing.. LOL

In 10 years and more it will look more like the corn snake.

People should really see the Corn Snake as a base to how this industry evolve. To that, you need to add the internet and worldwide issue.

I am from Canada, so things are a bit different, price aren't the same, not all the morph are available, or the price are different (you don't see many phantom around etc...)

The tri/quad codoms will be there and way cheaper, around the price we pay for a 2 gene combos these days (depending on wich gene etc...) but the double recessive + codoms or triple recessive etc... morph will be high in price.

One more thing, it's possible the price will collapse even more or really start to stabilize. In the last years, the price have been set with a growing market. When that market start to stop growing, stabilize or even go down, what will happen ? If there is less buyers, price will go do rapidly. May be some bigger breeders will fall. Who will be able to keep doing breeding as their first income ? If your price drop, if you don't increase the number of babies you are selling, your income will drop and who want to make less money ? But if everyone increase, will the market be able to support it ?

Well, actually I have no idea on what's going to happen and I don't really care :) I do this as a hobby, if I can make my money back in 3-5 years, I will be happy. I love this hobby cause it's calm me after a big work day. In my field, it's mostly only solving problems etc.. so cleaning and feeding is something I find easy and help me clear my head. The fact that I can also do it any time I feel like it, that I can take a few days off and it should be fine, is just a big plus :)

I actually don't agree that the corn snake market is a good parallel. The problem with corn snakes (and leopard geckos) is that they lay a lot of eggs each year. Corn snakes can even double-clutch. As a result, you get a lot more offspring from 'special' animals.
This is a simple fact of physiology that isn't going to change about ball pythons. The average clutch size is still 6, females don't lay every year, and they never double-clutch. The proliferation of new morphs is restricted by this simple fact, and that's the reason ball pythons are such a popular reptile investment.

Ball pythons have been popular pet snakes for decades. I don't see that changing. In fact, more people have become interested in keeping reptiles. I think that number will continue to rise as time passes--the population still continues to expand, and the percentage interested in reptiles expands even faster. We could use another Steve Irwin to make folks interested in herps, though.

Because of the fact that there is a constant pet market for ball pythons in general, there is always a safety valve at the bottom of the heap--balls can always go onto the pet market. Perhaps they'll only go on for $9 apiece wholesale, but they will go. This is what keeps it from being a big old pyramid scheme. ^_^

I can see this going for a LOooong time. If I didn't think it would, I wouldn't have gotten on board with it in the first place. I didn't go in thinking I would get rich quick--I'm hoping for a good steady growth and a solid business. I haven't seen anything to lead me to believe that isn't going to happen. There are still snakes around for 10 grand, though not many. The fact that people cry the sky is falling because snakes worth 10 grand last year are worth 'only' 5 grand now just makes me laugh. You're gonna get your money back eventually, and then some, it just might take a year longer. It's not a disaster.

I think some folks have unrealistic expectations. Basically...don't quit your 'day job' too quickly. It takes a lot of snake poo to make a living. I also see a trend in folks trying to scare off new folks who want to invest in ball pythons, or start up small-time breeding as a hobby business. This is silly and counterproductive. Those newcomers aren't competitors, they're customers. :P Who ELSE do you think is buying morphs? Not Joe Random off the street--only someone interested in getting into ball python breeding.

We should be telling these folks that this is a good investment (it appears to be, to me, so that's honest), and tell them how to go about doing it the smart way, so they'll stick with it. That's how we'll keep the market growing.

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Originally Posted by DarkComeSoon

im still hoping for a motley ball python to exist

pieds-600
spiders-100
pastels- 40-50
mojaves-150
pinstripes-150
albino-250-300
axanthic-250
fires-150

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It's not even been a whole year since this post and Pieds are already at $600 :( ... and from what I've seen Mojaves aren't far from eing $150 either.

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Originally Posted by tbowman

Well, I hope we can keep snakes in 10 years.

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Ditto

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Originally Posted by SGExotics

2019-2020 BP Morph Pricelist:

Cinnamon Glow Albino Pied - $1250
Cinnamon Glow Albino Het Pied - $950
Super Nutmeg - $950
Axanthic Spinnerblast G-stripe Pied - $1,000
Hypo Infernusblast - $2,000
Toffee Pastel Yellowbelly Super Pied - $3,500
Super Fudge Extreme Ghost - $3,250
Albino - $85
Pied - $100
Clown - $100
BEL - $145
Dreamsicle - $25,000
Lavender Albino - $200


The Nutmeg and Fudge were founded by me in 2017...Had them imported from the bush in Africa... Proved genetic... And Brock Wagner Made the first Infernusblast in 2019.... ;) LOL

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My goodness I hope not...
I do agree with all the prices exept the lavender albino price....$500+....Just my opinion tho..lol.

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Originally Posted by Bleepr

I see bees being in the 4-5 hundreds,or even less.

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they are!!!:rofl:

In 10 years, more morphs and paradox to come. Because many breeders making awesome combos.

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Originally Posted by Maurice Tebele

they are!!!:rofl:

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I dont think so!!!!!!