Big snakes, small enclosures.

Hi,

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I have to tell you Pat - I don't see bear baiting.

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I see it. Any other member would have been nailed with infractions for it. Correct? They would have also been nailed with negative reps.

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If you really feel that that crossed the line into bear baiting then I would suggest you PM one of the admin team and ask to have it looked at.

Since you are perfectly capable of leaving rep points I'm not sure what that has to do with it?

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You say if it was any other breeder they would be slammed for any minor inconsistency - could you link me to any thread where that has happened on the site in the past?

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I'll give you one simple name. Wes Harris. Wes did not crash the market. His partner did. His partner was posting his breeder animals for sale, yet your staff ripped him a part, as well as members. For what? His husbandry was correct. His animals were very healthy. The only thing anyone had on him was that his partner, not Wes, was crashing markets.

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Do you honestly feel that what MKR did was a "minor inconsistency" ?

They also had accusations against the company for selling "morphs" as genetically proven when they were not even genetic, selling animals they did not actually have etc. You yourself had to get a refund becuse they sold you an animal they did not have.

Do you for one single second think that is a fair comparrison to this situation?

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This site has always tried to avoid the spats against breeders or other websites wherever possible from what I have seen.

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I've seen otherwise. I've been here around 4 years, and I've seen numerous breeders being attacked and persecuted, even when defending themselves, with both staff and members against them. Valid reasons for inquiring were brought up here, and elsewhere for a while, and yet go unanswered.

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I have been here only four months less than your good self. ;)

Of these numerous breeders being attacked why did you choose MKR as an example? They were hardly unfairly attacked.

If the staff know something underhand is going on they are not only allowed but actually duty-bound to speak up. Which innocent breeder was attacked by staff over a "minor inconsistency" and treated unfairly?

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As for JP's answer vs. mine. European views on giant husbandry differs from Americans. It's tat simple. They're not cramping their animals in smaller enclosures than needed, yet still they do not give them ridiculous room sized enclosures. He may feel that the cage may be too small. That would be his decision. The cages are just right for the size. As for the monitors, it is different. Feeding cages are a good way for personal injury, or injury to the animal. Cages that small for monitors are in fact that....small....a little too small....

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I do know that european views differ on quite a few topics about housing, heating and breeding etc. :) **points to the location field in his profile**

I think Brian said all he needed to.

And I really think you need to take Ed's advice and think about that last post and the accusations it contains.


dr del

I really hope you dont stop doing what you love Brian. You have added so much more to this community than anyone else has, for ME. You seriously make me more and more excited about reptiles, and eager to learn every time I read or watch you! Thank you, and seriously dont let a few people on a forum get you down. Look at how many more people respect, and truly appreciate you for what you have done, and then look at the people who come to a forum bashing and stiring up trouble without even talking to you. I know there is many more on the good side :) I truly believe that you care deeply for every single animal that you have ever had. And never forget that there is so many of us out there cheering you on. I would never have been so enthusiastic about reptiles like I am today if I hadnt found your videos and website months ago.

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I've seen otherwise, as have other members. Some have spoken up in this thread concerning that topic on staff vs. members...

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The hell is wrong with you? If you're so annoyed with how the staff perform their 'job' take it up with them in PM or in the Site Info board stop posting in this thread. You're just publicly making a donkey out of yourself.

[goes and gets popcorn]

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If you really feel that that crossed the line into bear baiting then I would suggest you PM one of the admin team and ask to have it looked at.

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Please tell me what good that would do, when it was the Administrative staff itself doing the bear baiting. The point was on a fair forum. I see no fair forum, which is why I rarely post here anymore...

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Do you honestly feel that what MKR did was a "minor inconsistency" ?

They also had accusations against the company for selling "morphs" as genetically proven when they were not even genetic, selling animals they did not actually have etc. You yourself had to get a refund becuse they sold you an animal they did not have.

Do you for one single second think that is a fair comparrison to this situation?

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Do you know the full stroy on what happened? Then how does that become a fair "persecution"?

I named one name, not the company. Wes was stuck...simple as that. They have a gold blush. The albinos that are produced from it come out different. He still has those animals and they still produce weird animals every clutch. How is that not genetic? I've seen it. So have others, including a member here which no longer posts. I will not drop his name. If you want it, PM me.

As for me needing a refund. It was because Joe Capone sold me one of Wes' breeder animals that he did not have for sale. Wes was nice enough to refund me, and apologize for the inconvenience, as well as give me an animal as an apology. He was busy cleaning up Joe's mess, out of his own pocket. Yes I do feel it is a fair comparison. He didn't do anything wrong, yet was attacked and ripped apart on this forum. As I've said, his partner was the one doing the damage, and he either lost all his animals walking away, or attempted to clean the mess up and make things right. Which would you do?

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I have been here only four months less than your good self. ;)

Of these numerous breeders being attacked why did you choose MKR as an example? They were hardly unfairly attacked.

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Which is long enough to see what has been going on. See above. Although in Joe's situation it would have been a fair attack, the main one being attacked was Wes.

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If the staff know something underhand is going on they are not only allowed but actually duty-bound to speak up. Which innocent breeder was attacked by staff over a "minor inconsistency" and treated unfairly?

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Again, see above.

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...rusted! :P

http://leon2ky.com/leon/duty_calls.png

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[goes and gets popcorn]

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I'd rather have the smores that denial talked about earlier in this thread. :D

I never questioned anything about Brian here.

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Brian should have the benefit of the doubt here. I have never heard one single reason why he should not.

The only reputation he has is a good one.

So you guys saw what amounts to a messy kitchen. What makes you think, ASS ume, that it is always that way?

Brian, from now on, clean house BEFORE you shoot video, not all the yocals get it.

And before anyone says it, I am not friends with Brian, nor have I been a customer in many years, though I have known him for 20 years, maybe a bit more. He's got all the qualities I'd look for in a friend and were he closer, allowing to actually build a friendship, I'd be proud to call him one.

I got no dog in this fight, I just see a bunch of folks demanding stuff from a good guy in a manner that would irritate me were it directed my way and which, in this instance, I disagree with the use of. I don't think he warrants the type of attention he's getting from some folks here.

Pattimuss, IF he were even remotely rumored to be a scumbag there is no way some of us would be, poorly, trying to back him up, me in particular. It's not favoritism, it's good past business and friends, who can be biased but this must be accepted, backing a good guy. It's what we all hope will happen when someone says crap about us when we aren't there to defend against it.

Sort of like you did for me on that site with that guy who's too dumb to know how stupid he really is, truly in a league all his own, you know?

You had my back, some here have Brians, but it is certainly not favoritism. I suspect that staff here, had they nothing good to say, would simply say nothing at all. Maybe not, but that's my suspicion and I'm sticking to it.

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http://leon2ky.com/leon/duty_calls.png

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Cute picture.

Although it gets old with you repeatedly using it...

This could also be considered bear baiting as well, right? As for making myself look like a "donkey". It's kind of the other way around ;)