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To steer clear of Wilbanks just because he sells snakes to these guys is going too far. Wilbanks is a great guy with a great reputation and I will buy snakes from him in the future.

I agree. Its all business, you can't make decisions for anyone but yourself. Wilbanks has amazing animals and is actually what drew me to bps.

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Originally Posted by evan385

To steer clear of Wilbanks just because he sells snakes to these guys is going too far. Wilbanks is a great guy with a great reputation and I will buy snakes from him in the future.

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how do you know hees a great guy, you ever met him? I haventhaven't and I'm not saying he isn't a great guy,, but your missing my point. When you get a snake from him, your also buying his name, his pride, and his integrity. When you get a snake from these jokers, at that point, its their snake with his name on it. Those kids have proved , and admited that they really don't know anything about reptiles,, so now, chances are that at some point,,, and it will happen,, people are gonna start getting sub quality sub quality animals,, and guess what, his name will still be on them. Don't get me wrong or misunderstand,, I would like to have a animal from a top breeder like him because I'll know to expect nothing but the best,,,but at this point, just because it has his name on it means very little to me.
these guys might last a little while and he (Mr Wilbanks) will make some money from them, but the true collectors will always out last the fly by nightsrs,,and they remember things
spooky

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Originally Posted by that_dc5

Sadly I see you still want to keep going back and forth

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Nope. Done. Good luck! :)

I have never met Wilbanks nor owned any of his snakes. However, this in my eyes is something which I see as a factor which would prevent me from doing business with him. I fully understand business is business and his job is to sell snakes. But when you are aware of the people purchasing, intent with your animals, and the sheer number of community members who so strongly disagree with the business (ballbids.com) and yet you still choose to do business with them, this is a turn off to me. It is no different then American weapons manufacturers selling off high tech weaponry to Pakistan. They are weapons manufacturers and sell guns. So yes it makes sense for them to sell them weapons. They can say they do not condone or support what the weapons are being used for...but at what point does your moral compass tell you that your off track from whats right. The best part about owning a business is the right to refuse service. For a hobby/business that's always under attack like ours...why bring in and support more bad press about it.

I am fully respectful to Mike and his business because he has amazing animals and has put forth lots of time, energy, and money to get to where he is...I know its not easy to get to that point of success. However, I am simply stating that looking at this situation form the aspects I mentioned, I would not do business with them.

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Originally Posted by evan385

To steer clear of Wilbanks just because he sells snakes to these guys is going too far. Wilbanks is a great guy with a great reputation and I will buy snakes from him in the future.

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Agree, he is a reputable seller and we don't have to KNOW him to know that .. sheesh people. You do know you can add snakes to your cart on his website therefore completely bypassing the "meet the buyer" process? Either way, who cares?

were straying from the subject... its not about what Mr. Wilbanks does. thats his business.
what ballbids is doing is is wrong.. will it crash the market,, i hardly think so,, but the bottom line is so far, their liars.
do they really want to "levil the playing field", i doubt it. if so, they would breed their own snakes, put in the time and money, and then sell them for unbelivably low prices. insted there letting other people pay for their stock and still banking off it. hell, the last time i looked, iv got about 10k invested in my snakes, that includes food and housing. have i made any money? not a penny. its taken me about 4 years to get where im at,,, is that alot, NO, not compaired to some, but iv earned it all..
but beyond having a little pride, what about the welfair of the animals? do yall really think that there going to sit on snakes for 30+ days for a proper quarintine? i doubt that too. as of now (as far as we know) they only have recieved snakes from a well known/trusted breeder,,, but what about tomorrow or the next day? what about when they get a better deal from a sloppy breeder? do you think there really going to care about the health of the animal before they pass it on to you? yea right,, just like they want to levil the playing field. ill be willing to bet that the "quarintine" rack there talking about building (the one they havent got built yet) will be only capible of holding the amount of snakes that they can sell in a week.
as a comunity, we strive to keep healthy animals, to me, thats alot to be proud of..
persionaly, i dont want them littering up my comunity.
spooky

Out of curiosity, what were these pics of Robin? Since the pics got removed before I could look at them and actually I don't even see this post on their wall any more? Was it actually their facility?

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...2/ccd32a1a.jpg

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Originally Posted by Boanerges

Out of curiosity, what were these pics of Robin? Since the pics got removed before I could look at them and actually I don't even see this post on their wall any more? Was it actually their facility?

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f1...2/ccd32a1a.jpg

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Here are the pictures- they must be "friends only".. Thankfully I had the forsight to become Zack's "friend" before everything hit the fan.

The "facility":
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._7820860_n.jpg

The water dishes and heat tape- I am HOPING that there is more than this but IDK: http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot..._4765424_n.jpg

I'm hoping that these are a mating pair.. Regardless, I see NO heat source and a massively wet and nasty tub..
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...44670916_n.jpg

Went round and round with them last night about the QT procedure. Funny that this is now hidden from their wall; however, you can still see the exchange here:

http://www.facebook.com/BallBids/posts/334825469865955