Culling Healthy Animals

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Originally Posted by wilomn

And having caught you in several lies here, on this site, we should just believe you.....why?

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Name 1?

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Originally Posted by ShawnC

SRX's thread was deleted because we have one rule at our forum. Play nice, and be respectful. SRX was intentionally picking fights with me because he doesn't like the new format on our boards, and whenever I would shut him down with an answer, he would come up with something else he doesn't like. All of our threads are still available to comment on, including the culling threads, with the exception of one, which I locked because the forum members requested it. SRX was not blicked from my site, which is an option, I just deleted a thread that had nothing to do with culling, and everything to do with him complaining about the new format. S~

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Shawn. Stop. I was not intentionally picking fights with you and stop making it sound like it was alot of numerous posts.

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Originally Posted by SRX

Shawn. Stop. I was not intentionally picking fights with you and stop making it sound like it was alot of numerous posts.

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You didn't post a thread about the new format? Thats the thread i deleted, and after a week or so of no coments, and me basically answering your claims, you start up again by bringing that thread back to the top and posting a link to this thread, which again, you can post in a seperate thread, without bring up the original one where you are complaining.

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Originally Posted by ShawnC

Name 1?

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You don't remember?

You're saying everything you've written is the truth?

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Originally Posted by wilomn

You don't remember?

You're saying everything you've written is the truth?

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Sigh...again with the accusations and no proof. I think this makes 3 times... in this thread alone?

Guys, I said my peace, and thanked you all for the discussion. thats about thebest I cna do. I won't keep bantering withthe guys who say "I won" when there was only a debate/discussion, and not a competition. For those of you who are offended, I am sorry. for those of you who sent me PM's thanking me for being the whipping post on a tough subject...thanks. 8-)

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Originally Posted by ShawnC

Sigh...again with the accusations and no proof. I think this makes 3 times... in this thread alone?

Guys, I said my peace, and thanked you all for the discussion. thats about thebest I cna do. I won't keep bantering withthe guys who say "I won" when there was only a debate/discussion, and not a competition. For those of you who are offended, I am sorry. for those of you who sent me PM's thanking me for being the whipping post on a tough subject...thanks. 8-)

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So, you did forget.

Your act was good, but I don't think martyr is your defining role.

Whining schoolboy is more you.

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Originally Posted by ShawnC

Sigh...again with the accusations and no proof. I think this makes 3 times... in this thread alone?

Guys, I said my peace, and thanked you all for the discussion. thats about thebest I cna do. I won't keep bantering withthe guys who say "I won" when there was only a debate/discussion, and not a competition. For those of you who are offended, I am sorry. for those of you who sent me PM's thanking me for being the whipping post on a tough subject...thanks. 8-)

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I'm gonna go out on a limb here as a member of the staff (speaking for himself only). You sir, are full of crap.
Good day.

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Originally Posted by ShawnC

I won't keep bantering withthe guys who say "I won"

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You still don't get it ... as long as healthy animals are being killed for no other reason than because they are your so called by-product from your quest to make designer mutations to be sold for big bucks ... no one wins.

Blessings,

-adam

I'll try to be breif here, but there are a few points I'd like to make.

This whole euthanasia to spare suffering or low quality of life concept is not new. It was quite prevalent in both Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia. Of course there is a difference, but that difference is only on scale.

This discussion started, Shawn, as one based upon purity, morphs, and the market. Now you are trying to compare these animals to ones intentionally bred for food. Never mind the fact that you have no shortage of food for the animals they feed, nor do you have any animals that require snakes as food. It seems to me that you feed these to your other animals because it eases your conscience more than if you just killed them outright.

As far as price/beauty is concerned, I paid $1200 on a female Leary Jag a few years ago. Upon receipt, the animal was malnourished, dehydrated, and mite infested. This was an 18 month old animal that undoubtedly cost more originally than what I paid for it. There goes that whole value=care theory.

Last season, you produced at least one clutch of very nice Jungle Jag mutts, didn't you? What happened to all the normal siblings? Were they spared a miserable existence, or did you send them off to lives of ultimate suffering? Why in the world would someone so concerned about the lives of "low value" animals put two animals together to produce low value animals? That doesn't make sense.

I recently sent an UGLY "mutt" American ratsnake integrade to a woman in Texas. It cost me more to send her this gift than what I made on the actual sale animal I shipped it with. My reward was a heart-warming video of these animals on the news as part of an educational program. Well cared for, loved, and appreciated.

Why on earth would you close the thread on your own website about this topic only to open one here? Again, it doesn't make sense, and in my opinion, it's borderline schizophrenic. Perhaps in the future you can do us all a favor and preface an argument such as this with the disclaimer that you do not represent the vast majority of the carpet python community, but you are rather an exception to the rule...and a rather disheartening one at that.

Mike Curtin

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Originally Posted by MikeCurtin

Why on earth would you close the thread on your own website about this topic only to open one here?

Mike Curtin

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Actually I opened this one within a day of the other being opened because I was curious to see what another community would say. I closed the one on the Carpet forum because, simply, a couple of people asked me too, and the discussion had run it's course. It's all right there in the thread. The very first one we started, years ago, was a very long thread, much like this one. I think it's still open actually, it just died on it's own...I think it's 3 or 4 years old now.

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