My dealings with MKR

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Originally Posted by bchapman

i dont agree with chiming on on another breeders sale, the impression I get is that MKR get torn apart no matter where they post on this site. But then, I am still new here, I have no idea what is going on.. i shouldn't form opinions on things I am not familiar with.

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So far, every post they've made has been to advertise for themselves. I have yet to see a post where they participated in offering advice to other members' problems. It appears to me, and many others that their only reason for joining this forum was to generate more sales. That's what the banners and side ads are for, and it's against the TOS to advertise in threads.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I am sure that is what it is, because they are the only ones selling "nice looking" morphs... :rockon:

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People can buy their snakes wherever they want. What does it matter to you? It's like someone getting pissed off at walmart because they put small town businesses out of business. People still shop there, so what?

Unfortunately, at the end of the day - it is just business. They have good customer service and all of their customers appear to be very happy. Some of their ethics definitely aren't practiced by other breeders - but it is also something that they should not be chastized for.

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Originally Posted by bchapman

Some of their ethics definitely aren't practiced by other breeders - but it is also something that they should not be chastized for.

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Are you kidding me? Do you realize the US has current laws on the books that do just that? Consumer price gouging, price fixing, anti-monopolization, employment, polution... I could go on forever.

If you don't "chastize", or at the very least judge a business by its ethical practices, what should we make are judgements based on... price?

Nike has children producing several lines of their shoes in sweat shops in third-world countries. Walmart has made it a practice to hire illegal immigrants and pay them less than minimum wage. Enron publicly lied and illegally altered their accounting records with the sole purpose of misinforming the public about the companies stability, resulting in MASSIVE losses to their shareholders, previous employees and consumers.

Should we hold NONE of these companies liable for their anti-ethical decisions? That's the silliest thing I've ever heard. Granted MKR's ethical dillema's don't hold a candle to the previous situations, however, it's a clear indication that ethics should play a very SERIOUS role in how we make purchasing decisions.

I've always been awed by the lack of humanism when it comes to our ever-growing "corporate world", but it's comments like these that REALLY make me nervous. Are we really at the point, that we can ignore ethical promiscuity, because it may save us 10 cents on a Butterfinger? What a sad thought...

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Originally Posted by bchapman

People can buy their snakes wherever they want. What does it matter to you? It's like someone getting pissed off at walmart because they put small town businesses out of business. People still shop there, so what?

Unfortunately, at the end of the day - it is just business. They have good customer service and all of their customers appear to be very happy. Some of their ethics definitely aren't practiced by other breeders - but it is also something that they should not be chastized for.

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Like you said earlier, you haven't been privy to all the information. MKR is screwing their customers by selling them investment animals and then dumping the market on that animal. How do you think their customer will feel when they go to breed that animal and its worth nothing because of the wonderful job MKR did of devaluing that particular morph. There is more going on than meets the eye.

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Originally Posted by bchapman

It's like someone getting pissed off at walmart because they put small town businesses out of business. People still shop there, so what?

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I hate Walmart!!! We have to shop there because they did drive all the small guys out of business. Walmart has been the downfall to the economics of our country, they drive prices down by strong-arming the manufacturers. They expect companies to follow all their rules for shipping which includes palletizing by store and location, if their rules aren't followed they fine the manufacturer and get the products even cheaper and alot times FREE. Most manufacturers have no choice but to fall in line or their products won't be carried. Have you ever walked into Walmart for a certain item and found they don't carry it anymore? Thats why. They run other companies into the ground in the name of cheap prices, but they still make more off that product because they screwed the supplier. When Walmart has driven everyone else out do you still think their prices will be low? Nope, they will have a Monopoly and can charge whatever they want. Everytime they open a store I see fulltime jobs, affordable healthcare and retirements fly out the window. How do the manufacturers recover from the losses they incur from Walmart? They pay less wages, hire more part-time help and less full time, cut heathcare benefits and pay less to retirement funds. So tell me who ends up getting screwed?

Now do we really want to help Walmart and MKR become Monopolies?


Sorry for the rant, just want people to realize that one way or the other we pay extra for "bargains".

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Originally Posted by jglass38

What can I say? I'm easy like Sunday morning...

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I want that tshirt!! And now I've got the silly song stuck in my head. :evileye:

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Originally Posted by jhall1468

You are hardly worth the time Joe, but for the sake of new members that may believe your drivel, let's just take this piece by piece.



BS, you purchased a large quantity of snakes from Tracy, Bob, Ralph, Greg and Kevin. You've publically admited as much on other forums, and in fact, on your own website (last I recall).



Bob, Mike (Wilbanks), NERD, Graziani, RDR and MANY MANY others are considerably larger than MKR Joe.

It's fitting... all used car salesman are the "biggest" in the world, and it seems that style of sales has transfered over to the ball python breeding industry as well.



Well, mine are 3 and 4 and are far more interested in tree frogs and geckos then snakes. And besides, thus far I've raised them to respect a little thing called ethics, and you sir fly right in the face of that.



It's called supply and demand economics. The prices of these animals will fall to a level based on what the market can support. The funny thing is, contrary to your claims as to your companies size, you'll never be able to meet the demand for these guys, so really, you're just tainting everyone you sell to. Trust me, myself and many others are making notes about who has publiclly supported you, and that will end up biting them.



And the fact that you aren't in the car business, may tell us how well that worked out for you.



The "public" is, as of yet, not the target market for these snakes. We can't bring them to the public yet, because at the prices you are tearing the market down to, the market will be over run with too much demand, and not enough supply.

Co-dominate traits ARE rare. They make up less then 1% of the total population of wild and captive ball pythons. That, by definition IS rare. Take a biology class PLEASE.



Most feel they were screwed because they made an investment, and got stabbed in the back by the very people selling it to them.



You have stated time and time again that you are going to UNDERCUT your customers any chance you have. And the buying public is not a target market for most of us, because the supply isn't large enough to meet the demand. As supply increases and demand increases, prices decrease. THAT is real economics.



You honestly think your customers love you? :lol: Your customers love your prices, but you could honestly fall off the earth and no one but friends and family would so much as notice. Respect is earned in this industry, and given the venom YOUR customers receive, you have ZERO.



A car salesman that loves his customers. Hard to believe anyone can even BELIEVE this drivel.



You don't sell the most snakes. And your prices and service are absolutely NO match for your ego. Sorry guys, can't do this anymore... I'm too tired to try to translate the mortifying English Joe is using.

As for this "consumer", I won't have anything to do with MKR, or those that purchase from them :). Honestly, it's only a matter of time before you run yourself out of business Joe.

You may be big and have deep pockets, but you won't keep up for long. Seriously, you just burned your entire supply market. How long are you going to last now?

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Okay...

that was an awesome post

:rockon:

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Originally Posted by Wild Bill

I hate Walmart!!! We have to shop there because they did drive all the small guys out of business. Walmart has been the downfall to the economics of our country, they drive prices down by strong-arming the manufacturers. They expect companies to follow all their rules for shipping which includes palletizing by store and location, if their rules aren't followed they fine the manufacturer and get the products even cheaper and alot times FREE. Most manufacturers have no choice but to fall in line or their products won't be carried. Have you ever walked into Walmart for a certain item and found they don't carry it anymore? Thats why. They run other companies into the ground in the name of cheap prices, but they still make more off that product because they screwed the supplier. When Walmart has driven everyone else out do you still think their prices will be low? Nope, they will have a Monopoly and can charge whatever they want. Everytime they open a store I see fulltime jobs, affordable healthcare and retirements fly out the window. How do the manufacturers recover from the losses they incur from Walmart? They pay less wages, hire more part-time help and less full time, cut heathcare benefits and pay less to retirement funds. So tell me who ends up getting screwed?

Now do we really want to help Walmart and MKR become Monopolies?


Sorry for the rant, just want people to realize that one way or the other we pay extra for "bargains".

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ive gone back through the threads using the handy search function and I now see where you are all coming from..

that is really lowballing what they are doing, and if all the reported stuff on here is definitely as true as it appears to be, then i am appalled by their apparent lack of ethics.

i am sorry if i came across as a supporter, i never was - i was just supporting free enterprise.. but now i realise that it wasn't an enterprise they were running at all

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Originally Posted by bchapman

People can buy their snakes wherever they want. What does it matter to you? It's like someone getting pissed off at walmart because they put small town businesses out of business. People still shop there, so what?

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I see it more like....

You just checked out at Walmart with $200 in groceries, then the next person in line was only charged $100 for the same amount of stuff. So to find out what is going on you ask a manager and they tell you " Right after your purchase we got in a big shipment of goods and now have alot to sell, so we are cutting our prices in half."

Walmart or not....I would always be hesitant purchasing from them again....Because only heaven knows, next time when you buy your groceries for $100...the guy right behind you is only going to have to pay $50 ;)

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

I see it more like....

You just checked out at Walmart with $200 in groceries, then the next person in line was only charged $100 for the same amount of stuff. So to find out what is going on you ask a manager and they tell you " Right after your purchase we got in a big shipment of goods and now have alot to sell, so we are cutting our prices in half."

Walmart or not....I would always be hesitant purchasing from them again....Because only heaven knows, next time when you buy your groceries for $100...the guy right behind you is only going to have to pay $50 ;)

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Yeah, I kinda see how it is with them. I feel dirty for even considering defending them in the name of how business works. It is shallow and below the belt to stab customers and other breeders in the back. I see breeding as something that you should be able to collaborate with others on and be able to share the benefits - not try to take everything for yourself and ruin your customers chances of making a name for themselves before their products even reach an age at which they could do so.