ECLARK - mites

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Originally Posted by recycling goddess

Lawrence, you can speak about your own experience... but April's motives are her own. We can guess at them (I am guessing it was to also alert other potential buyers that Ed has a mite issue) but it's only a guess.

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I mentioned that because of April's post earlier in this thread.

In it she quoted a PM and stated "And my second PM which Ed did not reply to:".

Ed made mistakes. He has now gone good for the mistake with his customer. He has learned a valuable lesson about being relaxed with his quarantine procedures (so has anyone else reading this). He has cleaned and started procedures to remove the mites and is attempting to prevent them from getting a foothold in the rest of his colony. At this point the issue is resolved in my mind.

I think this thread should be allowed to fade into the forum archives. Everyone has read it and will have access to it in the future if there is a need, but as long as none of Ed's current or future sales have issues with mites in the near future there should be no issues. Only time will tell. I am sure Ed will use extra care for awhile to be sure any snakes he sells will be mite free because he knows what to expect if he doesn't.

There does not appear to be anything left to be resolved in this thread.

I would mention to Ed that if you are going to thoroughly clean the floors religiously every 14 days with a NIX mixture, that going the extra step of pre-treating the substrate with PAM every 30 days would be a great way to avoid mites. NIX has 14 days of residual effect, PAM has about 30 days of residual effect.

Also, to Ed (and anyone else), if you are feeding live rodents, it's best to have your own closed colony of feeder rodents. This gives you security to know that nothing is going to sneak into your collection via this route.


Rick

Rick,

I think a bunch of people would be a lot more at ease if Ed would follow though with the 30 day PAM treatment and hold off on selling or listing any of his snakes for sale till he is 1000% sure that not one of his snakes has a mite(s) or any eggs lingering around.

Maybe that is just me though, I don't know.
I always say "actions speak louder then words."

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Originally Posted by lillyorchid

Rick,

I think a bunch of people would be a lot more at ease if Ed would follow though with the 30 day PAM treatment and hold off on selling or listing any of his snakes for sale till he is 1000% sure that not one of his snakes has a mite(s) or any eggs lingering around.

Maybe that is just me though, I don't know.
I always say "actions speak louder then words."

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Ohh, don't get me wrong. I agree with you, but if you read between the lines, Ed has stated he is going to make continued sales. At least he will not immediately sell anything from the infected rack. We can keep this thread going and going, but there is no way we can make Ed stop selling his other snakes.

Potential future customers from this site (like SPJ) have seen this discussion and will take what chances they wish to. I suggest to them to use common sense, use very strict quarantine, but I feel the members of this site are very intelligent and will do just that, especially after reading this thread.

The only thing left that Ed can do is hold off ALL reptile sales for the life cycle period of a mite and he has chosen not to volunteer do that, so I see no other issues being resolved. It's his call to keep selling the other animals, and it's our call to take the risk or not.

Rick

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Originally Posted by xdeus

I mentioned that because of April's post earlier in this thread.

In it she quoted a PM and stated "And my second PM which Ed did not reply to:".

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thanks for the link lawrence ... she did start the thread to alert potential customers which i completely agree with. (not that it matters as i am not a potential customer [being in canada] but other customers certainly deserve to have a heads up so they can make their own educated decision as to whether or not they choose to continue doing business at this time, with ed.)

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Originally Posted by Shelby

Also I'm going to have to post what happened in the feedback forum.. I believe potential customers have a right to know.

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(Whether I agree with Ed's abundance of for sale threads or not has nothing to do with this post)


Whether or not he did anything to right the situation, it is right of April to bring it up for all to see.

Do we have a 'beating a dead horse' smilie? We need one. This thread is starting to look frighteningly like a BOI free for all.

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Originally Posted by Entropy

Do we have a 'beating a dead horse' smilie? We need one. This thread is starting to look frighteningly like a BOI free for all.

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How so? The BOI unforunately does have a core group that will go after each other, bring up personal issues and refer back to things/transactions that occurred months or years prior. They are often openly disrespectful of each other. Sometimes the BOI is used very inappropriately to settle old scores and bad guy threads are started needlessly. It also does a lot of good though and deserves credit for that.

Now show me where in this thread we "beat a dead horse" or allowed a "free for all"? I've read every post. I've seen attempts by myself and others to keep this VERY specific to the situation at hand. I've not seen one personal insult allowed nor disrespect shown.

BPNet cannot have a Inquiries/Feedback forum if members are muzzled from expressing honest opinions or asking very direct questions. To do that nullifies the whole point of it and makes it nothing but an exercise in back patting. We don't often see problems between seller and purchaser and personally I applaud the membership and the Mods for keeping this polite and pretty much on topic.

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

That said, Ed, if this was something you didn't know about (and I believe this is true) it is almost like I want to say, I have more respect for you for owning-up to it rather than a knee-jerk denial. If I were in your position, I would stop selling anything until the mites were definately gone and maybe even wait a few months after that. When i make a mistake once, it can be learned from; but to allow it to happen again.. would just snowball things downhill for anyone's reputation.

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This is all I was trying to say.. I really have nothing else to say about this thread.
Awesome post, Jo.

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

I have a quarantine area, but totally blew it on this one. :(

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oxymoron...............i'm only a little pregnant, casual intimacy, Christian gangster, exact estimate (you can add yours too the list) :colbert:

i hope the mites are "half dead" geeeees i just used another one!