ECLARK - mites

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Originally Posted by Wild Bill

How can you guarantee elimination of mites with one treatment? Doesn't it sometimes take weeks for eggs to hatch? Until they hatch how will you know the extent of the contamination?

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If you use Equate you can't guarantee anything. It may kill the mites but won't do a thing about the eggs and possibly won't be around when those eggs hatch :)

You are correct though!

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Originally Posted by jglass38

If you use Equate you can't guarantee anything. It may kill the mites but won't do a thing about the eggs and possibly won't be around when those eggs hatch :)

You are correct though!

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I know P.A.M. kills the eggs, but how can you know you're getting every single one? If the snakes came in that way, then it could be a bigger problem. If they came into the room all the way through the house. Just too many variables.

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Originally Posted by Wild Bill

I know P.A.M. kills the eggs, but how can you know you're getting every single one? If the snakes came in that way, then it could be a bigger problem. If they came into the room all the way through the house. Just too many variables.

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Agreed. There is no way in such a short time to say they are eradicated.

You would also think that a seller would cease and desist any current selling, and not put anymore animals up for sale until they can be 100% sure that the preoblem has been eradicated...apparently not :(

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Originally Posted by Uncle Festae

You would also think that a seller would cease and desist any current selling, and not put anymore animals up for sale until they can be 100% sure that the preoblem has been eradicated...apparently not :(

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you would think so wouldn't you?

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Originally Posted by Uncle Festae

You would also think that a seller would cease and desist any current selling, and not put anymore animals up for sale until they can be 100% sure that the preoblem has been eradicated...apparently not :(

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You would think that since single eggs are not really visible and can get onto a snake that is crawling around a bin, that putting a hold on sales for the period of a complete mite life cycle would be enforced.

Thinking along the lines of "I have eradicated every single mite with one treatment and the problem is resolved, and will not happen again" is hopeful thinking at best. The worse case scenario should be considered and protected against. That is why we quarantine in the first place. To state that without doubt, the mites are all gone, only shows that you are still letting your guard down.


Rick

I just hate, despise, and loathe these types of threads. It is like Mark my fiancee said when reading over my shoulder; like sharks grabbing onto bait. Personally, if I bought a snake and it had mites, I would be irate. I would not make a thread on a forum until I contacted the seller and only then if he/she refused to remedy the situation. I really would have let the situation play out and then made a less inflamatory thread about the whole thing as long as the seller agreed to compensate me.
That said, Ed, if this was something you didn't know about (and I believe this is true) it is almost like I want to say, I have more respect for you for owning-up to it rather than a knee-jerk denial. If I were in your position, I would stop selling anything until the mites were definately gone and maybe even wait a few months after that. When i make a mistake once, it can be learned from; but to allow it to happen again.. would just snowball things downhill for anyone's reputation.
Ed; I knew/know you were a good person and I was completely happy with the snake you sold me. I had no problems with the sale; snake was packaged and arrived healthy and vivacious.
It "just" seems a little low to me that people who have trouble with people buying and reselling snakes, have to jump on Ed like he just murdered an entire village of nuns or something. The snake sold had mites. He agreed to send some complimentary mite relief.
So I am not an Ed hater. Hate me or whatever; it is an imperfect world and it would be nicey-wicey to say "oh, no sellers should ever have a mite in their collection and if they do and it accidentally gets to a customer they should be divided and quartered, medieval-torture fashion." But how many of us have adopted/bought cats/dogs that had ticks, fleas and worms? Did you blackball the SPCA? I didn't; I got some dewormer and Advantage.
This all being said, Shelby I sincerely hope that the mites do not spread around in your collection.. I hate the &^%$ing things.. I hate the fact that this whole thing has happened.

Chris, let me explain what I did to Eliminate the mites in 1 of my baby racks.


First thing that I did was remove the ball pythons and soak them individually to kill the mites I seen on 2 of them, while they were soaking I sprayed the rack down with provent-a-mite. removed the rack and took it into the basement where it will be treated again in 30 days. that rack will not be used again in a long time. I had just bought new racks and set 1 of those up and sprayed it down real good with provent-a-mite. all new tubs in the rack that also were sprayed with provent-a-mite. everything in the area gets sprayed real good. all my racks are not stacked on one another or touching side-side and each rack is set up by itself on a stand. thats so if there is a problem like this it does not spread. the floors are mopped about every 2 weeks with a strong Nix solution that will kill any mite that would have made it to the floor. The babies that are being treated will not be sold for a long time untill Im satisfied they are clean. I have snakes for sale that are clean and not effected. I will retreat everything in 30 days as needed, this was caught quickly and treated swiftly. This should have never happened, I did and I did what was necessary to eliminate the problem. :)

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Originally Posted by Uncle Festae

You would also think that a seller would cease and desist any current selling, and not put anymore animals up for sale until they can be 100% sure that the preoblem has been eradicated...apparently not :(

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

I just hate, despise, and loathe these types of threads. It is like Mark my fiancee said when reading over my shoulder; like sharks grabbing onto bait. Personally, if I bought a snake and it had mites, I would be irate. I would not make a thread on a forum until I contacted the seller and only then if he/she refused to remedy the situation. I really would have let the situation play out and then made a less inflamatory thread about the whole thing as long as the seller agreed to compensate me.
That said, Ed, if this was something you didn't know about (and I believe this is true) it is almost like I want to say, I have more respect for you for owning-up to it rather than a knee-jerk denial. If I were in your position, I would stop selling anything until the mites were definately gone and maybe even wait a few months after that. When i make a mistake once, it can be learned from; but to allow it to happen again.. would just snowball things downhill for anyone's reputation.
Ed; I knew/know you were a good person and I was completely happy with the snake you sold me. I had no problems with the sale; snake was packaged and arrived healthy and vivacious.
It "just" seems a little low to me that people who have trouble with people buying and reselling snakes, have to jump on Ed like he just murdered an entire village of nuns or something. The snake sold had mites. He agreed to send some complimentary mite relief.
So I am not an Ed hater. Hate me or whatever; it is an imperfect world and it would be nicey-wicey to say "oh, no sellers should ever have a mite in their collection and if they do and it accidentally gets to a customer they should be divided and quartered, medieval-torture fashion." But how many of us have adopted/bought cats/dogs that had ticks, fleas and worms? Did you blackball the SPCA? I didn't; I got some dewormer and Advantage.
This all being said, Shelby I sincerely hope that the mites do not spread around in your collection.. I hate the &^%$ing things.. I hate the fact that this whole thing has happened.

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Wow. Could you be more short sighted? Unbelievable...

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Originally Posted by Ginevive

I just hate, despise, and loathe these types of threads. It is like Mark my fiancee said when reading over my shoulder; like sharks grabbing onto bait. Personally, if I bought a snake and it had mites, I would be irate. I would not make a thread on a forum until I contacted the seller and only then if he/she refused to remedy the situation. I really would have let the situation play out and then made a less inflamatory thread about the whole thing as long as the seller agreed to compensate me.
That said, Ed, if this was something you didn't know about (and I believe this is true) it is almost like I want to say, I have more respect for you for owning-up to it rather than a knee-jerk denial. If I were in your position, I would stop selling anything until the mites were definately gone and maybe even wait a few months after that. When i make a mistake once, it can be learned from; but to allow it to happen again.. would just snowball things downhill for anyone's reputation.
Ed; I knew/know you were a good person and I was completely happy with the snake you sold me. I had no problems with the sale; snake was packaged and arrived healthy and vivacious.
It "just" seems a little low to me that people who have trouble with people buying and reselling snakes, have to jump on Ed like he just murdered an entire village of nuns or something. The snake sold had mites. He agreed to send some complimentary mite relief.
So I am not an Ed hater. Hate me or whatever; it is an imperfect world and it would be nicey-wicey to say "oh, no sellers should ever have a mite in their collection and if they do and it accidentally gets to a customer they should be divided and quartered, medieval-torture fashion." But how many of us have adopted/bought cats/dogs that had ticks, fleas and worms? Did you blackball the SPCA? I didn't; I got some dewormer and Advantage.
This all being said, Shelby I sincerely hope that the mites do not spread around in your collection.. I hate the &^%$ing things.. I hate the fact that this whole thing has happened.

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With proper quarantine none of this would have happened. He wanted to make a quick buck and look what happened? Greed consumes all. Sorry, but to know you're gonna sell a reptile to someone with 39 reptiles? Imagine what could happen? April still isn't out of the clear. Like I said in aprevious post. If you're gonna sell reptiles, you better have the utmost STRICT quarantine.