My dealings with MKR

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

what does the rep say? if the negative rep point serves no purpose then report it to an admin to have it removed

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"can not agree with your logic, you may be next to be put out of business."

wich post did they mean?

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Originally Posted by jcaustralia

wich post did they mean?

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"Great Post Joe!!! Tell it how it is my man!!!"

You are hardly worth the time Joe, but for the sake of new members that may believe your drivel, let's just take this piece by piece.

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Originally Posted by JoeCaponeIIIMKR

Guys, I just want to say that We produce our own snakes and in high volume and keep most of them.

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BS, you purchased a large quantity of snakes from Tracy, Bob, Ralph, Greg and Kevin. You've publically admited as much on other forums, and in fact, on your own website (last I recall).

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We are also the largest in the world. THe reason why I say that is that all the 2nd level breeders didn't want to give us credit and we are larger than everyone now. Come and see.:)

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Bob, Mike (Wilbanks), NERD, Graziani, RDR and MANY MANY others are considerably larger than MKR Joe.

It's fitting... all used car salesman are the "biggest" in the world, and it seems that style of sales has transfered over to the ball python breeding industry as well.

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I am bringing this to the next level. I am going to be here to sell your kids snakes.

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Well, mine are 3 and 4 and are far more interested in tree frogs and geckos then snakes. And besides, thus far I've raised them to respect a little thing called ethics, and you sir fly right in the face of that.

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We are solid and only getting stronger and stronger. We have no debt and own everything. I am for the consumer not for people making unneccessary money on them.

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It's called supply and demand economics. The prices of these animals will fall to a level based on what the market can support. The funny thing is, contrary to your claims as to your companies size, you'll never be able to meet the demand for these guys, so really, you're just tainting everyone you sell to. Trust me, myself and many others are making notes about who has publiclly supported you, and that will end up biting them.

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Did the same thing in the car business. I am so terrible but I don't want people to screw the public.

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And the fact that you aren't in the car business, may tell us how well that worked out for you.

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So if you disagree I and everyone else sees what you want to do the public. Codoms aren't rare. Get over it.

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The "public" is, as of yet, not the target market for these snakes. We can't bring them to the public yet, because at the prices you are tearing the market down to, the market will be over run with too much demand, and not enough supply.

Co-dominate traits ARE rare. They make up less then 1% of the total population of wild and captive ball pythons. That, by definition IS rare. Take a biology class PLEASE.

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If you guys sold them the way you wanted it ruin the market and be gone because everyone would have felt they are screwed which most do now.

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Most feel they were screwed because they made an investment, and got stabbed in the back by the very people selling it to them.

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Only middle man feel that way here. I am not a mobster I am a business man. I am for my customers and the buying public. Tha is who you people serve.

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You have stated time and time again that you are going to UNDERCUT your customers any chance you have. And the buying public is not a target market for most of us, because the supply isn't large enough to meet the demand. As supply increases and demand increases, prices decrease. THAT is real economics.

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They make the decision to buy. You guys think you are in control and the customer is. I am loved and embraced by my customers and it shows in my sales.

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You honestly think your customers love you? :lol: Your customers love your prices, but you could honestly fall off the earth and no one but friends and family would so much as notice. Respect is earned in this industry, and given the venom YOUR customers receive, you have ZERO.

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I take care of them and I love them and embrace them back that is why. Ask them.

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A car salesman that loves his customers. Hard to believe anyone can even BELIEVE this drivel.

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If I were so terrible how come I sell most of the snakes. I do it is a fact. The best prices and service.

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You don't sell the most snakes. And your prices and service are absolutely NO match for your ego. Sorry guys, can't do this anymore... I'm too tired to try to translate the mortifying English Joe is using.

As for this "consumer", I won't have anything to do with MKR, or those that purchase from them :). Honestly, it's only a matter of time before you run yourself out of business Joe.

You may be big and have deep pockets, but you won't keep up for long. Seriously, you just burned your entire supply market. How long are you going to last now?

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Originally Posted by Pork Chops N' Corn Bread

"Great Post Joe!!! Tell it how it is my man!!!"

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While I don't agree with giving negative rep points for posts such as that, I will say this much: get used to it. This industry is based entirely on reputation, and those that decide to support Joe and MKR are going to be tainted by it.

Now tell me, is an $800 mojave worth that?

It's taken me two nights to read both threads, and as a newbie to the hobby, I'm still learning names, quality, businesses, genetics, identification. For a long time I've had MKR bookmarked as a potential source for animals to add to my own personal collection, but something just didn't "click".

Pics are hard to see, colors are drab and just not top quality that I've seen exhibited on other breeders' sites. Animals? Site? Who knows......but after all this and continuing to compare all this information and the pics to say, NERD, Adam, RDR, etc., etc., I've deleted the bookmark and am no longer considering doing business there.

My pets will eventually lead to a business that I can enjoy and get pleasure from for many, many years to come. After breeding horses, cattle, swine, goats for years....you can't win blue ribbons on babies born from scrub stock...so I'm not giving this joker any of my hard-earned money.

JC, you should take some grammar, spelling and professionalism lessons. Maybe THEN you'll be able to impress and compell. Otherwise, save your breath. As per Einstein the PC, you're "a waste of human protoplasm".

Jesse, good luck in your plans and your breeding endeavors. Sorry U feel you need to tell the rest of the ppl to P off. All are entitled to their own opinions, but (sadly) don't be surprised, if in a few years, you're unable to sell your babies.

i wish every body would leave the poor girl alone. she is old enough to make her own choices. good luck, and people please be nice. this is more than likely the reason she got so defensive in the first place.

Jhall,

Tremendous post and dead on!! You sir, rock!

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Originally Posted by ECLARK

I just completed reading this whole thread, wow lots of venom on both sides of the fence. dont let it make you go against people that you have met on this site, chatted with and made friends with. I dont agree with the MKR mentality, but chose to take it to the BOI to discuss this issue. lets not turn this very friendly site into another , well you know what.


Morph King Reptiles seems to be doing enought damage to themselves. :salute:

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Ed, your professionalism deserves credit! I could not agree with you more on all points. Both your posts here voiced your opinions, but in a professional and courteous manor toward others. :sweeet:

You have also had issues on pricing your snakes for what you feel they are worth. While others have disagreed and stepped in to voice their disagreement/opinions publicly on those same classifieds. This is honestly my problem with this whole situation. No one should dictate what a seller prices or a buyer pays for their snakes. These discussions should take place privately, if anything! But, to harass you or anyone in your own classified or publicly about what you feel is a fare price for your snake or that buyer who left a show thrilled about a great deal he/she got on their 1st BP morph and came online to share their expirience....is just wrong IMO!

I will agree that Joe's ranting on the BOI is wayyy crazy and he is much better off keeping quite. I've seen he has lost a few supporters that could care less about his tactics or the market, but have moved on because of some comments and attacks on others who price their animals higher. Again, freedom to price your snakes as you see fit! Joe should not call other sellers crooks or greedy in public because he feels they are or have overcharged for a snake. That is their business and if the customer paid those prices, it's their business! If the customer regretted later paying those prices, it's their problem, not the sellers fault! I hope Joe opens his eyes and words things better before he loses more supporters!

No one should force their business practices or prices as to what you should charge for your snakes! A Large Established Breeder that has a ton of overhead and expenses should not force their business practices or prices on some breeder that had a few clutches of Spiders in his/her bedroom...and/or Vice Versa!

When a customer approaches your table at a show and tells you "I insist on paying $1500 for that snake you have priced for $1000", just because it's what they feel is the market value...then you should consider changing your prices! Not the seller who is two tables away and wants to charge $1500 and is pissed because your prices are lower than his/her!

As for buyers, no one should tell you what you paid for a snake is wrong or right! If you are 100% satisfied with that Albino BP you just paid $5,000 for today, good for you! If you are happy with that Albino BP you paid $750 for today, good for you! The only people that should have any real input on a sale is the seller and the buyer! The seller needs to decide what he wants to sell for and the buyer needs to decide how much he wants to pay!

Just my $0.02

Can an admin or Mod please take a look at that bad rep I got? I was just expressing my oppinion and broke no TOS or insulted anyone