» Site Navigation
1 members and 742 guests
Most users ever online was 47,180, 07-16-2025 at 05:30 PM.
» Today's Birthdays
» Stats
Members: 75,905
Threads: 249,102
Posts: 2,572,091
Top Poster: JLC (31,651)
|
-
Re: Live prey vs......
Quote:
Originally Posted by rabernet
Why do you assume that "the next time" responsible live feeders will just leave for an hour or a few hours? I can assure you - I take the responsiblity VERY seriously. I happen to have a bit more confidence than you do in our members here who take the time to learn how to do it correctly.
Like I said - I don't care what anyone feeds their snakes - as long as they are fully informed of ALL their options and are not made to think that feeding p/k or f/t is preferable.
Robin,
Please step back, take a deep breath and re-read my statements. I am saying people who are not members here, people who buy from pet shops or online who may not realize the damage a snake can do if fed live and left unattended.. I did not show any disrespect to you or the members of this site. I even praised this site and the members of this site a post or two back. I keep saying feeding live is fine if done responsibly. If you are a responsible live feeder, fine. What is the issue? Why are you reading words into my statement. I have been very clear. I am not flaming, I am not being rude, yet I feel as though you are being combative even though you have no reason to be.
Where did I say that feeding live rodents is bad, even if you are a responsible person who stands there and monitors the entire feeding process? I didn't.
I do not mean to show you any disrespect, but please read my post from an objective standpoint prior to jumping on me and accusing me of having little confidence in the members of this site. If they are here, they obviously seek to learn (thus be a responsible keeper) or they are here to share knowledge to help others, either way I applaud them all.
I feel some people are reading this thread and are automatically put into a combative roll based only on the subject matter. If you just read my posts with a fresh, open mind, you will see I am not saying "Feeding live is bad!!", I am saying "Feeding live is bad if done irresponsibly".
Rick
-
Re: Live prey vs......
Quote:
Originally Posted by SiscoReptiles
Robin,
Please step back, take a deep breath and re-read my statements. I am saying people who are not members here, people who buy from pet shops or online who may not realize the damage a snake can do if fed live and left unattended.. I did not show any disrespect to you or the members of this site. I even praised this site and the members of this site a post or two back. I keep saying feeding live is fine if done responsibly. If you are a responsible live feeder, fine. What is the issue? Why are you reading words into my statement. I have been very clear. I am not flaming, I am not being rude, yet I feel as though you are being combative even though you have no reason to be.
Where did I say that feeding live rodents is bad, even if you are a responsible person who stands there and monitors the entire feeding process? I didn't.
I do not mean to show you any disrespect, but please read my post from an objective standpoint prior to jumping on me and accusing me of having little confidence in the members of this site. If they are here, they obviously seek to learn (thus be a responsible keeper) or they are here to share knowledge to help others, either way I applaud them all.
I feel some people are reading this thread and are automatically put into a combative roll based only on the subject matter. If you just read my posts with a fresh, open mind, you will see I am not saying "Feeding live is bad!!", I am saying "Feeding live is bad if done irresponsibly".
Rick
Perhaps I did mis-read your intended message, and my posts were not meant to be combative. Perhaps some of my frustration as a responsible live feeder bled into my posts. My apologies.
I completely agree with you on the section I bolded. :)
-
Re: Live prey vs......
Quote:
Originally Posted by SiscoReptiles
With all due respect, I did not say all people who feed live are irresponsible or careless.
No need to respect me, I'm nobody important or special ... but you did say
Quote:
Originally Posted by SiscoReptiles
I realize there are people who may not do this, but as humans.. humans are lazy and get bored rather easy.. or perhaps the phone rings, or perhaps a friend shows up and Joe gets sidetracked.. It happens...
You didn't say "new people", "inexperienced people", "people that don't know what they're doing" ... you said "humans" ..."humans are lazy" ... well, since on most days I fall into the "human" category, so I responded.
It's fine to have differing opinions ... that's what makes this place sooo cool ... lots of people can get together and do things a bunch of different ways while still taking great care of their animals and getting along.
As far as people that just bought a snake, there's nothing you can do to help that ... people use hot rocks, they let their animals escape, they leave them without water for months, they provide no heat at all, they allow their dogs and cats to get into their snake enclosures, etc ... I've seen it all over the past 25 years ... All you can do is educate the people that want to be educated and that's what we try and do here. :sweeet:
-adam
-
Re: Live prey vs......
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
No need to respect me, I'm nobody important or special.
Everyone deserves a certain amount of respect. From there the level of respect will rise or lower, depending on the person and how he/she conducts him/herself.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
You didn't say "new people", "inexperienced people", "people that don't know what they're doing" ... you said "humans" ..."humans are lazy" ... well, since on most days I fall into the "human" category, so I responded.
Well, humans as a race are lazy. Some more than others, some less than others, but as a race we look for the easy way. We design products, food, etc.. to be quick and easy.
My point was to 'humans' who would walk away carelessly or because they didn't know better. If you do not fit that roll, than it wasn't intended toward you.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
It's fine to have differing opinions ... that's what makes this place sooo cool ... lots of people can get together and do things a bunch of different ways while still taking great care of their animals and getting along.
I agree 100%.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
As far as people that just bought a snake, there's nothing you can do to help that ... people use hot rocks, they let their animals escape, they leave them without water for months, they provide no heat at all, they allow their dogs and cats to get into their snake enclosures, etc ...
Yes, we can educate. If people see that image, if people read these discussion, than we did our part. If others reading this tell their friend or discuss it at their local petshop, or perhaps to a fellow customer, than we did our part. Can we safe all animals from a fate of ignorance? No, but if anyone thinks twice about driving to the store while leaving a live rat in with their snake, then I am pleased. That was my whole point.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam_Wysocki
I've seen it all over the past 25 years ... All you can do is educate the people that want to be educated and that's what we try and do here. :sweeet:
Exactly,
Rick
-
Re: Live prey vs......
Quote:
Originally Posted by rabernet
Perhaps I did mis-read your intended message, and my posts were not meant to be combative. Perhaps some of my frustration as a responsible live feeder bled into my posts. My apologies.
I completely agree with you on the section I bolded. :)
I am glad you re-read my statements, and I am glad we are back on track.
I understand how easy it is when reading a 'debate' type thread, it's easy to automatically get yourself into a defensive or combative roll. :handshake
Rick
-
Re: Live prey vs......
I feed my guy mostly frozen and then thawed mice. Occasionally I will give him a live one, though.
-
Re: Live prey vs......
I feed my ball live. Never had a problem and she never missed a meal.
-
Re: Live prey vs......
My monty loves live Rat Pups live I tried prekilled but he wont go for it! :) :snake:
-
Re: Live prey vs......
I feed mine live kittens. People are always giving them away free - saves on $.
-
Re: Live prey vs......
Quote:
Originally Posted by bearhart
I feed mine live kittens. People are always giving them away free - saves on $.
THAT'S not even funny to JOKE about!:mad: :eek:
|