What have i gotten myself into

Stickers and kittens!!!!

Sarcasm. The first retreat for those who know they done bad.

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Sarcasm. The first retreat for those who know they done bad.

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Sometimes the mood just needs lightening. Don't take it so hard.

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AGAIN with the ASS umptions.

I have shown my backside to no one. If it's my perky buns you've been a lookin at it's been without my knowledge.

That is sort of creepy, come to think of it.

Trust me in this. What YOU may do in a given set of circumstances does NOT dictate what others, given the same set of circumstances, must also do. No matter how much you want to think everyone thinks like you do, they don't, as is evidenced here in this very thread.

Also, Pattimuss doesn't run, he prances most delicately, like a beautiful buy sad fairy, winged and capped, curly toed shoes on each foot, dancing on dewdrops while lazy crickets play soft music for him to keep time by....

Let me clear some things up. I own other snakes. I have two bp's and a red tail boa pushing right up on 6.5 feet. I'm not a total idiot when it comes to snakes.

And to wilomona or whatever the hell your name is, you need to grow up. Your behavior is childish and iggnorant. If you don't like answering questions and what not then why are you on a forum. Do u not realize that a lit of people use a forum like this for a lot of information about snakes. Maybe you should step back and realize that your just being a rude person and trying to seem cool on the web.



And just to let you know this snake is going back to the previous owner this Saturday and I'm going to choose something else from his collection. I dunno he has a 14 foot retic that I have my eye on. Lol just kidding. But he does have this young burmese that I have handled and seems to be very laid back and non aggressive. I'll handle it for a few more days and I will see if it suitable for me. As this snake grows then my experience will grow

Assumption? Arent you the one who said that very assumption in the first place? You are silly. But im gonna try to jump this thread back on subject...feel free to pm me if you feel like you must get in the last word..which I am sure you will...on here.

Good luck echs, just please really take the time to think about if you really want a larger snake...and especially put in the effort to have experience with one before purchasing. Don't forget..if you do not get this one, there will be more for you to chose from later on in life once you have had time to really think about if its the right decision. Let us know how it goes. :)

Im not trying to get in the middle of things, bringing it back is a good idea. I did notice in your original post you said it struck at your face through the enclosure. It could of just been having a bad day. My redtial struck at my face through the glass,hissed did all kinds of things. She was just having a bad day, she has not done anything like that sense granted its only 200 grams. How as she been since the first time it happened has she still been stricking at you, I guess it doesn't matter you are bringing her back. Just curious. Sorry it didn't work out for you.

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Im not trying to get in the middle of things, bringing it back is a good idea. I did notice in your original post you said it struck at your face through the enclosure. It could of just been having a bad day. My redtial struck at my face through the glass,hissed did all kinds of things. She was just having a bad day, she has not done anything like that sense granted its only 200 grams. How as she been since the first time it happened has she still been stricking at you, I guess it doesn't matter you are bringing her back. Just curious. Sorry it didn't work out for you.

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He hasn't really done anything aggressive since that time. I had him out yesterday and he acted totally fine. He tounge flickered like normal, and he didn't try to wrap any coils around me. Once he was in my hands he was just as docile as my red tail. I have a feeling he is just very cage aggressive.


I have made the decision to trade him out unless something drastic changes. Plus I think my red tail is mad that he isn't the biggest snake in the house lol

Hello,

Can we please cut back the personal attacks and borderline name calling?

It is perfectly possible to get your various points across without lowering yourselves to that level.


dr del

Im not encourging you to keep the snake but it sounds to me like you just got spooked. When my redtail first did that i was spooked because none of my balls or corns ever did that. So i started to panic too thinking what am i going to do when this snake gets bigger and she is aggresive like this. Im no expert by any means. Your a adult you have a redtail im sure your responible owner, i would try to get a baby python. How do you ever get experience with a big snake without diving in. You can have all the bp's in the world but a burmese is a different game. Just my two since. Most people dont have experience with big snake until they own one. Again if you really want one get a baby.

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With a car, you'll likely go through driver's ed, get your permit and drive with your parents, have your jr. license and not be able to be out late all before you have your real license.

You can relate this to a snake by starting with a beginner breed as a baby. Start off with something that cannot hurt you, learn all you can about it and take care of it, watch it grow, have it learn to trust you, learn to read its moods and when to leave it alone.

Plus you're relating a car(something that is necissary for living in the modern world) to having a pet(something that isn't necissary). Your argument holds no water and is in no way helpful to anyone.

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sweeeet than i fit in with 99% of the replies to questions on this website.

I'm not trying to sound rude or anything and I'm kind of in a rush to write this before I get to work.

You say you have 2 BPs and a 6.5' Red Tail. How long have you had those snakes? It might not seem like it, but a jump from that boa to a burmese is pretty substantial I'd think. 1.5' difference isn't just in the length, but the weight, muscle, and personality.

I'm with a lot of other people on here. If I were you I'd take it back and get a baby. If you can't take it back to trade for a baby for any reason, try to find it a good home with someone that actually has experience with larger snakes and knows what to expect.

You're best off getting experience by raising your own while handling the larger burmese as a volunteer with a local breeder or something.

Whatever happens, play it safe and know when enough is enough. Everyone else here is just as concerned as you are about what your situation is. Your actions do have a chance of affecting the rest of the herp community in this circumstance.

Good luck!

Thought you were going to post a pic?

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Thought you were going to post a pic?

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Here ya go....
http://ball-pythons.net/forums/showthread.php?t=98511

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You are silly.

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:O:O Wes' True colors!!!!

Silly silly man. :P

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sweeeet than i fit in with 99% of the replies to questions on this website.

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Excuse me?
Then why are you here and participating in 99% of these replies?

I think that most replies hold a good amount of information, even if they are not quite what the person wants to hear, they often have a strong point.

Instead of posting nonsense about how this site has useless replies (which I personally think it does not) go post some useful ones or don't post at all. The useless ones are the only bothersome ones.

To the OP:
I'm glad your animal is working out for you, and that you may be trading it in for the new one. Just remember, it's important to not handle it alone when it gets over 7+ feet. Even if you think you can handle it, you never want to be too careful.

Wilomn gets "Thanks" because he's generally right. He may not say it in a tender manner but he gets the point across.

Wilomn '12.

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Wilomn gets "Thanks" because he's generally right. He may not say it in a tender manner but he gets the point across.

Wilomn '12.

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Wes for Pres!

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Of course it is a well known fact that snakes only bite on the hands

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wait WHAT??? wut happened to the guy in this vid then:
YouTube - Untamed and Uncut - Boa Bites Owner in Face

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wait WHAT??? wut happened to the guy in this vid then:
YouTube - Untamed and Uncut - Boa Bites Owner in Face

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Haha, I hope you realize he was being extremely sarcastic.
Also, animal planet really has gone down into the gutters, that guy was an idiot and clearly could not intemperate the body language of the snake even with the obvious nature it had, that is a clear example of pissing a snake off and getting what you deserve. Then he even rips the mouth off of his face, another bad move leaving teeth in his face.

Also, I love how the announcer says 'Unlike rattlesnakes, boas are not Poisonous', some educational show. Also 'Literally squeezing the breath out of their prey' was another good one.

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wait WHAT??? wut happened to the guy in this vid then:

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that's a little something called.... sarcasm

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Haha, I hope you realize he was being extremely sarcastic.

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ya i can't read sarcasm LOL. thx for clearing that up :gj:



EDIT: quote: that's a little something called.... Sarcasm


ya thanks. and not for the condescending manner =p.

I have not read this entire thread, but I thought I would give my 2 cents.

I started with small snakes, but even from day one I knew where I would end up. I had been eyeballing retics since I was about 6. I used to work for a large scale educational facility, and at one point we purchased several tiger retic and albino tiger retic hatchlings. They were some of the nicest snakes I had ever met. As luck would have it, I ended up at a reptile show and the breeder of those retics was there, and he had one of their siblings. A great little tiger retic male. Took the little bugger home and he was about 2'. as friendly as my balls, and as inquisitive as my corns. I had considered the option of getting an unwanted large snake, and now that I have the experience (owning a retic/ working with giant snakes for several years), I would certainly take one in that needed a good home, but I am overwhelmingly happy that I got my first giant snake as a juvenile. We can read him like a book. Today he is right around 11' and although I am not worried about him injuring me, or my girlfriend, we always make sure we are both home when he comes out. Just in case. He does hold on real tight.

Heres A Rule That I Would Follow:
ALWAYS buy giants as HATCHLINGS!
~Brandon

Read the whole thread thus far a few things to say.

People are more apt to respond positivly to advice delivered in a professional manner

My general rule with keeping snakes is "you will get bit"

I think starting with a hatchling would be much better but he probably knows this by now

Lastly, "Instantly the boa bites his face" Im watching this video and could tell the boa was tracking the foolish keeper for a good 6 seconds and knew he was going to be bit 6 whole seconds before it happened. two things to always watch for, especially when others are around, is tracking behaviour and S shapped necks.

Ok so this is dead and beaten to a pulp but I will put my 2cents in just because I can. I currently have numerous bp's, numerous boas, corns, kings, and whatnot, most are rescues, I have had the huge snakes and I loved them and yes i did raise them from baby to adult and i did breed them. The reason I do no have them anymore is 1 I moved cross country and could not take them and 2 the person I was moving in with had no experience with any snakes.

Now fast forward 3 years and the person is now my wife and she wants a tiger retic. My first thought was awesome lets go get one and then i considered it a little more we do have the room and i do have more than one enclosure big enough for an adult as well as feeders, my neighbor breeds rabbits and gives them to me free to my biggest boas and my carpet who loves them, but my problem was my wife thinks she can handle one alone no matter the size and i refuse to put her life on the line. I have since convinced her not to handle one alone by bringing her to a friends house who has a few burms and retics and had her handle a little 12 foot retic and within 2 minutes she was asking for help because little baby retic wanted to move and she, the wife, wanted to hold her, the snake, still and that will not work. After me and my friend stepped in, we were within 2 feet of the snakes head at all times, I opened its mouth and let her see the teeth and that convinced her to rethink her abilities.

I have been working with snakes since I was about 6 and in the past 22 years have learned a lot and still have a lot to learn but my biggest rule is for every snakes under 5 feet one handler after they get to 6 feet then its is up to 2 handlers and every 2 feet after that adds another handler. If you are going to get a big snake please do everyone a favor and get a baby, watch it grow, enjoy it and have help at hand at all times when you are around it when it gets bigger. Be aware of the fact that your favorite neighborhood dog could end up in the snakes stomach if the enclosure is no beyond escape proof and that you or someone you love could end up dead because of the animal.

So i ramble a lot kill me. Take this apart and piece it together and take from it what you will.

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wilomn's post may of came off harsh but it is %100 correct. He is telling it how it is and it is hard for people to take it in but its the harsh reality. Nobody has any business having a giant if they are not %150 ready for one and have prior experience with one.

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... How does one GET prior experience unless they start somewhere by getting one?:rofl:

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... How does one GET prior experience unless they start somewhere by getting one?:rofl:

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Friends who have them.

Rescues that have them.

Volunteering at a shelter that has them.

Working for or volunteering at a store that has them.

There are 4 good ways.

That should suffice for now.

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anyways back to the op. id say your on the right track, take your time.

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Are you nutts? I agree that some people could be nicer but to say it sounds like he is on the right track is just irresponsible. What we do not want to do is scare the OP away. It sucks that he went out and bought an 8' snake instead of a hatchling or maybe a blood python (looks impressive but can't kill you) but if he has made up his mind to do this lets be nice, gain his confidence and talk him into a hatchling so at least he will have a place to turn for the help he will need. If he continues to talk to other keepers he will have an easier time finding the people near him who can help as his snake becomes a monster. Also, if we are "mean" to him he will not listen to pleas to get a baby first or any other advice. A lot of good advice has been given but the psychological noise alongside that advice has made it impossible for him to recognize it. More flies with honey.

I have read forward from the post I quoted and have found my post to be redundant:D

I have looked thru this post briefly, bout 15 minutes. I am going to stick my neck out and give my two cents. This has nothing to do about large snakes, small snakes, keeping dogs , turtles or whatever.

This is a forum. A community that helps each other thru mistakes and learn about how to do things better. Beside the fact that this individual got himself into a tough situation. He approached the community admitting he made a mistake and within a few posts was being negatively attacked about his mistake. He came to the forum asking for advice and help. Telling him he should not have gotten this animal and why is totally appropriate, but to call him an idiot at the same time doesnt work. If you want to get your point across you can be candid with your advice and offer solutions and your concerns without being an @##.

I agree with all the issues the big snake people are presenting, but be productive with your concerns. For example when a patient comes to see me for back pain.....I dont say "hey you friggen idiot.......duh you have back pain because you are fat.......you did this to yourself you dumb@##. I present all information and solution to the problems.

Isnt that the goal of this community? You can be candid and state your opinion without being an @##.

For example......As others have said you probably bit off more then you can chew but keep in mind gloves dont solve the issue that you may not be ready. That snake can bite anywhere, and if you are alone your are gonna be in serious trouble.......

My opinion would be it best to start with a small juvenile to learn and grow with the animal....if something goes wrong with this 8 footer not only will it affect you with serious reprecussions it will also negatively affect the community which fights each day to hold on to our rights to have these animals. As you can see by the Florida example not months ago.

Will the individual take this to heart and make the change more likely with this approach ....or with the hey yeah wear gloves that will keep ya safe your dumb @##.

So in the end I take the side of the one looking for help and those that treat the problem and respond like they are 15 are the ones that should learn how to communicate effectively on the same level that this individual will learn the animal is more then he can handle and the risk reward for having that animal is not tipped in his favor.

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I have looked thru this post briefly, bout 15 minutes. I am going to stick my neck out and give my two cents. This has nothing to do about large snakes, small snakes, keeping dogs , turtles or whatever.

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Before I respond to your post, please clear you mind of any thoughts that this may be in some way an attack on you or a post filled with sarcasm.

Unfortunately, in all but the most talented writers, it's hard to convey the written word without some sort of reader intent or personal interpretation automatically assumed.

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This is a forum. A community that helps each other thru mistakes and learn about how to do things better. Beside the fact that this individual got himself into a tough situation. He approached the community admitting he made a mistake and within a few posts was being negatively attacked about his mistake. He came to the forum asking for advice and help. Telling him he should not have gotten this animal and why is totally appropriate, but to call him an idiot at the same time doesnt work. If you want to get your point across you can be candid with your advice and offer solutions and your concerns without being an @##.

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You are correct, this is a forum. That's where you and I stop agreeing on things.

There is a fundamental difference in asking for advice and going out and doing something that is not only potentially dangerous but could ultimately affect the Community's ability to own large or potentially dangerous reptiles.

Asking for advice is coming here and requesting that the community assist you in making an informed decision.

Coming here after you've willfully made an error - an error that could have an impact on all of us - and not expecting some heat, is well, ignorant and unreasonable. This pattern of faulty thinking is what got the OP to the tree of woe in the first place.

The OP made a series of bad decisions, I think you and I could even agree that going out and purchasing an animal that could potentially kill you without doing your due diligence borders not only on stupid, but idiotic.

If some members choose to point that out - well, that is a classic difference of approach. While I think it is entirely acceptable to be supportive and comforting when some one makes an honest, well-intentioned error, I also think it's acceptable to call someone an idiot when they make an idiotic and thoughtless decision.

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I agree with all the issues the big snake people are presenting, but be productive with your concerns. For example when a patient comes to see me for back pain.....I dont say "hey you friggen idiot.......duh you have back pain because you are fat.......you did this to yourself you dumb@##. I present all information and solution to the problems.

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I don't think this argument is relevant. You are in business. You insult your customers and you're out of business.

This is a forum - an exchange (somewhat) of free ideas not my business. The OP is not my customer. All I care about is that he doesn't make a mistake that could affect my future ability to acquire the reptile of my choice.

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Isnt that the goal of this community? You can be candid and state your opinion without being an @##.

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Who knows that the goal of the community is. For some it's to get attention, for others it's get information and for others it's social interaction.

Everyone has a different approach. Let's not kid ourselves - some people will respond to a post like the OP's with support and understanding - others will point out that he made stupid mistake - one that could have been avoided with a modicum of research and thought.

Your interpretation of an a$$ is going to be different from mine. Considering the nature of what he did (buying an 8' afrock cross with no giant experience), I'd say the majority of posts here were appropriate.

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Will the individual take this to heart and make the change more likely with this approach ....or with the hey yeah wear gloves that will keep ya safe your dumb @##.

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Have you ever thought that by coddling someone who makes a potentially injurous mistake that you are only encouraging that person to do it again?

Maybe, just maybe, getting verbally thrown around provides a bitter enough pill that the OP remembers that next time he is about to make a potentially dangerous decision without giving it the proper amount of diligence.

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So in the end I take the side of the one looking for help and those that treat the problem and respond like they are 15 are the ones that should learn how to communicate effectively on the same level that this individual will learn the animal is more then he can handle and the risk reward for having that animal is not tipped in his favor.

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Here's the fundamental point in which we differ - I re-read the thread last night and saw it begin to go down hill when the OP took offense at being jabbed at. Then a couple of people who had bones to pick with other forum members jumped in and began taking their shots.

If you look at the "thanks" given to the posts that apparently inflamed this thread, it appears that a large number of forum members approved of the "tough" way in which the OP was dealt with.

Sometimes the best way to help someone is to point out, in the bluntest terms possible, that the source of their troubles is their own lack of common sense.

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All I care about is that he doesn't make a mistake that could affect my future ability to acquire the reptile of my choice.

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You better hope you don't mess up too at some period of time.

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You better hope you don't mess up too at some period of time.

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Hope?

I'm not going to "hope" anything. I'm fully in charge of my animals and my actions.

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For example when a patient comes to see me for back pain.....I dont say "hey you friggen idiot.......duh you have back pain because you are fat.......you did this to yourself you dumb@##.

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So, you either withold valuable, possibly lifespan and quality of life, information from your customers?

You don't tell them that the cause of their problem is because they're fat because....you don't want to hurt their feelings? You let them continue in a manner that you, the doctor, I'm assuming, know is detrimental to them and therefore quite possibly to their family and those around them?

Heh.

I prefer the truth.

Its almost as if your telling yourself.. 'i'm done with the dog, i wanna tame a lion' .. i dont have to much big snake experience.. but i find that snake owners kind of put there snakes in this 'pet' category with their dog, cat, fish, etc and dont realize that they own one of the top predators in the animal world? I love and am fascinated with snakes.. but i believe that only large breeders with reptile stores/zoo's should only be able to 'display' these animals in a large artificial atmosphere.. to lock up a 8'+ reptile in a box in my mind is pure animal cruelty.. IMO.. sorry if i offended any of you great snake keepers! but rock/burmese/retic should be able to roam free in their homelands... and isn't this the main reason why great snake keepers in florida have to give up all their snakes? cause people get confused with a burmese being a pet and then letting it go once it gets to big cause there scared and cant handle it?

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Its almost as if your telling yourself.. 'i'm done with the dog, i wanna tame a lion' .. i dont have to much big snake experience.. but i find that snake owners kind of put there snakes in this 'pet' category with their dog, cat, fish, etc and dont realize that they own one of the top predators in the animal world? I love and am fascinated with snakes.. but i believe that only large breeders with reptile stores/zoo's should only be able to 'display' these animals in a large artificial atmosphere.. to lock up a 8'+ reptile in a box in my mind is pure animal cruelty.. IMO.. sorry if i offended any of you great snake keepers! but rock/burmese/retic should be able to roam free in their homelands... and isn't this the main reason why great snake keepers in florida have to give up all their snakes? cause people get confused with a burmese being a pet and then letting it go once it gets to big cause there scared and cant handle it?

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I wouldnt classify large constrictors as a top predator and I certainly would not compare it to a lion. If I was stranded in a jungle I would much rather run into a large constrictor then ANY big cat.

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Its almost as if your telling yourself.. 'i'm done with the dog, i wanna tame a lion' .. i dont have to much big snake experience.. but i find that snake owners kind of put there snakes in this 'pet' category with their dog, cat, fish, etc and dont realize that they own one of the top predators in the animal world? I love and am fascinated with snakes.. but i believe that only large breeders with reptile stores/zoo's should only be able to 'display' these animals in a large artificial atmosphere.. to lock up a 8'+ reptile in a box in my mind is pure animal cruelty.. IMO.. sorry if i offended any of you great snake keepers! but rock/burmese/retic should be able to roam free in their homelands... and isn't this the main reason why great snake keepers in florida have to give up all their snakes? cause people get confused with a burmese being a pet and then letting it go once it gets to big cause there scared and cant handle it?

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Seriously? Really?

Yes. It is all pet owners who have turned their snakes loose in Florida that have caused all the hassles we experience now.

And you're correct, of course, about big snakes needing to be free. After all, a snake that size that sits and waits patiently by a waterhole or by the side of a trail, possibly for weeks while it waits for prey to come close enough to be food, that does not move from that spot, NEEDS to be free to roam.

Really? Seriously?

And why is it ok to keep ball pythons in tubs, some of them barely big enough for the snake to be able to turn about in, or any other snake kept in a small enclosure, but not the giants? Prejudiced are we? Biased a tad?

Have you ever kept a big snake? Got any personal experience with them? Real experience, not seeing one somewhere sometimes, but actual day to day hands on experience?

I ask only to determine where your ....ignorance/error/lack of facts, originated. Maybe you're a well meaning but under or un or maybe even mis-informed keeper. Maybe not. But knowing would make future answers easier to frame in a manner most conducive to your successful assimilation.

I thought it was the hurricane taking out the pet stores, and that's where the wild burms and retics came from?

Well, most of them anyway.

I don't think the poster will do this though, and if he wants to learn how to care for giants, let him. We are not his parents. We all had to start somewhere, and we are here for him when he needs help.

skip....re-read my post....I am in no way saying this person is right....if you read it again you will see what I am trying to convey is how to communicate and get a point across....

Making poor decisions and asking for help definately opens him up to being attacked.....I am trying to point out a better way that may actually keep someone from getting defensive and keep their ears open to hear all aspects of how this choice may affect him and others.

Make sense? I disagree with your dissection of my words......they are an attempt to make the point of how to get your point across and educate others. That is what the example of working with a patient is trying to convey. Will the patient listen if I approach the way you say is ok? Patient...member of a forum.....humans....tend to respond poorly to verbal attacks, sarcasm used incorrectly, and aggressive individuals.

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skip....re-read my post....I am in no way saying this person is right....if you read it again you will see what I am trying to convey is how to communicate and get a point across....

Making poor decisions and asking for help definately opens him up to being attacked.....I am trying to point out a better way that may actually keep someone from getting defensive and keep their ears open to hear all aspects of how this choice may affect him and others.

Make sense? I disagree with your dissection of my words......they are an attempt to make the point of how to get your point across and educate others. That is what the example of working with a patient is trying to convey. Will the patient listen if I approach the way you say is ok? Patient...member of a forum.....humans....tend to respond poorly to verbal attacks, sarcasm used incorrectly, and aggressive individuals.

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I agree - you were not saying that the OP was right.

But let's agree to disagree on the approach on how to deal with him.

I would agree, nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree...that is how i have stayed married as long as i have:) jk jk

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So, you either withold valuable, possibly lifespan and quality of life, information from your customers?

You don't tell them that the cause of their problem is because they're fat because....you don't want to hurt their feelings? You let them continue in a manner that you, the doctor, I'm assuming, know is detrimental to them and therefore quite possibly to their family and those around them?

Heh.

I prefer the truth.

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JMO, but I think he was speaking of the manner in which the information is presented... not whether the information should be given at all. At least that's how I interpreted it! :oops:

ty lolo, that is correct.......I in no way am attempting to minimize the concerns and affects uninformed choices, compulsive choices can have on those who make them, the animal itself, or the community who is fighting for their rights. I totally agree with that. I was just offering an opinion or an approach that I think works better.

I made the mistake and included to much other stuff about frustration with those who approach it in another way. I muddied the water of which my point was in.

I would like to reinterate that I do not support bad choices, but I do commend him for putting himself out there for help. He did say up front that he is aware of the mistake he made.

Anyways......I usually just post on how sweet animals look, i think i will stick with that:)

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JMO, but I think he was speaking of the manner in which the information is presented... not whether the information should be given at all. At least that's how I interpreted it! :oops:

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Well, that's the written word for you. I read it differently. Now that he's commented, I know that what he was writing was not what I was reading.

It's not always easy, writing what we hear in our head so that readers can listen to what we're saying and read what we would have spoken, were we speaking instead of reading.

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Seriously? Really?

Yes. It is all pet owners who have turned their snakes loose in Florida that have caused all the hassles we experience now.

And you're correct, of course, about big snakes needing to be free. After all, a snake that size that sits and waits patiently by a waterhole or by the side of a trail, possibly for weeks while it waits for prey to come close enough to be food, that does not move from that spot, NEEDS to be free to roam.

Really? Seriously?

And why is it ok to keep ball pythons in tubs, some of them barely big enough for the snake to be able to turn about in, or any other snake kept in a small enclosure, but not the giants? Prejudiced are we? Biased a tad?

Have you ever kept a big snake? Got any personal experience with them? Real experience, not seeing one somewhere sometimes, but actual day to day hands on experience?

I ask only to determine where your ....ignorance/error/lack of facts, originated. Maybe you're a well meaning but under or un or maybe even mis-informed keeper. Maybe not. But knowing would make future answers easier to frame in a manner most conducive to your successful assimilation.

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easy there bud.. i wasnt stating facts but merely try to say that you should know what your doing when dealing with a snake that size... i dont like any animal being locked up.. but something thats 8' long.. well.. wouldn't you want to stretch now and then and where did i say they can stretch? oh yah..the zoo, yah the zoo..not your living room?!.. and i wasn't comparing a lion to a snake.. in their respected categories they reign.. when i'm on the internet and i see a snake and its eaten a crocodile, i think, wow.. something i wouldn't want to come across.. but you can act all tough there Wilomn and hate on me because your a big man thats handled big snakes.. i paid my respects to the 'big' snake breeders out there and all i have is respect for them.. but this a forum where its free to speak.. and IMO Wilomn, no i dont think any bob, dan or harry should be allowed own a snake that big..

So what kind of enclosure are angie, roxanne and layla housed in? Hopefully something with PLENTY of room to stretch right?

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Originally Posted by adam_degel

easy there bud.. i wasnt stating facts but merely try to say that you should know what your doing when dealing with a snake that size... i dont like any animal being locked up.. but something thats 8' long.. well.. wouldn't you want to stretch now and then and where did i say they can stretch? oh yah..the zoo, yah the zoo..not your living room?!.. and i wasn't comparing a lion to a snake.. in their respected categories they reign.. when i'm on the internet and i see a snake and its eaten a crocodile, i think, wow.. something i wouldn't want to come across.. but you can act all tough there Wilomn and hate on me because your a big man thats handled big snakes.. i paid my respects to the 'big' snake breeders out there and all i have is respect for them.. but this a forum where its free to speak.. and IMO Wilomn, no i dont think any bob, dan or harry should be allowed own a snake that big..

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Sigh. People so often mistake simply incredulity for hate.

Hate take too much effort.

i know i'm being biased.. but you cant compare a ball python to a giant? yah they have room to stretch, plenty.. and.. there's no worries of them attacking my family when i'm not around..

And I assure you I have no worries of mine EVER attacking my family or I would not own these amazing animals! Responsible reptile keeping does wonders