I need some reassurance here..

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

So what do you do when you have 1,000 snakes? Work just to feed them? What about feeding your family? What about putting your kids through college? By the way I'm open for free handouts. Obviously people are miss reading this thread. When I originally posted it, I asked how many of you have snakes that are paying for themselves not how many of you are rich because of it. I took this hobby up because of the killer snakes that are coming out of it not because of the money, but if I can have these snakes pay for themselves while I'm on the road to making some of them then great. When I say pay for themselves I mean make just enough to feed, house, and care for them(e.g. vet bills, cleaning solutions, substrate etc.). My wife and I make great money aside from anything else. Even if I was making miilions at this I would never quit my day job. :colbert:

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If you were making millions in BPs, you would HAVE to quit your day job.

It takes a lot of work, dedication, and time.

You can have the snakes pay for themselves. You absolutely can.

But you have to work at it. And work HARD.

Just because what people are telling you isn't necessarily what you want to hear, it is all valid and in tune with what you are asking.

Yes, you can make money doing this.

Heck, you can make money shovelling manure if you work hard enough at it.

Its the dedication, drive, passion and love for what you do that makes it worth while, not anything else. THAT will make it work. The money will come.

If you are talking about just breaking even on the keeping of snakes, that is very doable. The key to that is breeding your own feeders, and selling extras.

Right now my entire collection is "free" to keep because of my feeder production. I produce enough feeders to feed my entire collection, and have enough left over to sell to cover the costs of the rat feed and bedding.

Considering I use newspaper for substrate for my snakes, there are no other costs... except for electricity and water.

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

If you are talking about just breaking even on the keeping of snakes, that is very doable. The key to that is breeding your own feeders, and selling extras.

Right now my entire collection is "free" to keep because of my feeder production. I produce enough feeders to feed my entire collection, and have enough left over to sell to cover the costs of the rat feed and bedding.

Considering I use newspaper for substrate for my snakes, there are no other costs... except for electricity and water.

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Feeder was my highest cost from the start, now I have several colonies of rats and mice, and just started breeding ASFs.

But now Im paying to house and feed retired breeders too, they are too big to feed to any of my BPs. :taz:

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

If you are talking about just breaking even on the keeping of snakes, that is very doable. The key to that is breeding your own feeders, and selling extras.

Right now my entire collection is "free" to keep because of my feeder production. I produce enough feeders to feed my entire collection, and have enough left over to sell to cover the costs of the rat feed and bedding.

Considering I use newspaper for substrate for my snakes, there are no other costs... except for electricity and water.

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to expand on this, once you get to the point where I am at where the keeping of your collection is free, then obviously in time with breeding you WILL get all the money back that you have spent on the snakes... and then some.

One huge thing to consider in all this though is the TIME SPENT. If I were to put a price tag on the work hours I have to put into it, I could honestly say that my snakes cost me a small fortune every month. This is where you being into it for the right reasons kick in. Even if you are like me and totally and completely in love with your animals, and it is your number one hobby, there are still times when cleaning the tubs / maintaining the feeders is NOT fun. It at times is a total pain. If I wasn't totally obsessed with my pets, I don't see any way possible that I would have gotten as far into it as I am today.

Hope this helps.

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Originally Posted by Mike Cavanaugh

to expand on this, once you get to the point where I am at where the keeping of your collection is free, then obviously in time with breeding you WILL get all the money back that you have spent on the snakes... and then some.

One huge thing to consider in all this though is the TIME SPENT. If I were to put a price tag on the work hours I have to put into it, I could honestly say that my snakes cost me a small fortune every month. This is where you being into it for the right reasons kick in. Even if you are like me and totally and completely in love with your animals, and it is your number one hobby, there are still times when cleaning the tubs / maintaining the feeders is NOT fun. It at times is a total pain. If I wasn't totally obsessed with my pets, I don't see any way possible that I would have gotten as far into it as I am today.

Hope this helps.

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I'm sure I'm going to spend money uncontrollably in this hobby it's kinda hard not to especially when you fall in love with every new morph out there. Feeders is where I will spend a lot right now. I live in an apt. and don't want to breed rats right now, I've done it before in an apt. and it's not logical.

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

So what do you do when you have 1,000 snakes? Work just to feed them? What about feeding your family? What about putting your kids through college? By the way I'm open for free handouts. Obviously people are miss reading this thread. When I originally posted it, I asked how many of you have snakes that are paying for themselves not how many of you are rich because of it. I took this hobby up because of the killer snakes that are coming out of it not because of the money, but if I can have these snakes pay for themselves while I'm on the road to making some of them then great. When I say pay for themselves I mean make just enough to feed, house, and care for them(e.g. vet bills, cleaning solutions, substrate etc.). My wife and I make great money aside from anything else. Even if I was making miilions at this I would never quit my day job. :colbert:

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You're right. Some people DO misread. You asked for experiences, and I posted mine. Sorry if my response isn't what you wanted to hear, but I stand behind what I say.

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By the way I'm open for free handouts.

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Don't hold your breath.

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

I'm sure I'm going to spend money uncontrollably in this hobby it's kinda hard not to especially when you fall in love with every new morph out there. Feeders is where I will spend a lot right now. I live in an apt. and don't want to breed rats right now, I've done it before in an apt. and it's not logical.

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Well around here a small rat goes for $4 and a medium rat goes for $6. I was spending more on food for the snakes for a while then I was on my own groceries. Breeding your own is definitely more economical in the long run.

And be wary of the Management in the Apartments, not many are snake collection friendly.

Let me see and think.

My first pastel was $1K. I've only produced pastels two years in a row so far (past two) and sold only the males, 3-4 I think, at around $100 each. So that's money I will most likely get back eventually. First yellowbelly was $500, a steal considering they were $1K at the time. Just got my first clutch from him and am waiting to see what comes out. Then I added a female for $400, she's too small to breed yet. So time will tell if it will even out. Pair of het albinos were $650, female slugged out last year. Pair of spiders were $1500, havent produced any spiders yet. Probably got around $400 in normal females, most were bought at small sizes. Pair of mojaves were about $800 and I MAY have my first clutch of mojaves from my male (two males bred one female). Pinstripe female was $900, I stopped breeding her this year. Lesser male was $800, hasnt bred yet. Fire male was $500, just got him this past year at the Tinley show.

Then plus racks and all the money on food I have spent I'm probably $10,000 or so in the hole. I will eventually get my money back. But I don't really care because I enjoy raising the snakes. Has been keeping me out of trouble too since most of my friends are in gangs and a few are dead. So I don't want to think about where I'd be without my snakes.

We have invested a fortune. Our piebald arrives tomorrow. Our black pastel arrived today (He is GORGEUOS) and we have a female pastel on the way.

We already bought an albino, a het albino, two het piebalds, a pastel, and several large normal females. We have also bought a few others we lost due to buying a sick snake.

It is NOT cheap.

But yeah, we still plan to live and learn and make some money :) Which I DO think is easier if you have a little money to throw into it in the first place, which we did. We will save a few years by just buying the morphs we want in the first place.

It would be infinitely more difficult to start with normals and a het or two for sure.

I don't think anyone is lying- some people really do just want to enjoy this as a hobby. I want both- in dogs and snakes.

I want them all to be pets- I am ethical and caring and so is my man. But, yeah, money is a good thing. I'm a SAHM and this would be a nice little side income for me, and help us when DH retires.

Wow, people are really getting on their high horses and jumping to conclusions in this thread. Though I agree one should never go into the business for the money, the OP never said that was the only reason he was in the business.

Also, a lot of people waste a lot of money on expenses that are not always required. $4 and $6 dollars for rats are ridiculous, and your own choice. You can easily order frozen from an online company in bulk for much less pricing than that.

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

Well around here a small rat goes for $4 and a medium rat goes for $6. I was spending more on food for the snakes for a while then I was on my own groceries. Breeding your own is definitely more economical in the long run.

And be wary of the Management in the Apartments, not many are snake collection friendly.

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All of the rental homes I have been introduced to have only had rules against dogs, cats, or noisy birds. If you ask about enclosed quiet animals, most landlords won't have a problem with it. I however, would not intend on saying I have 18 reptiles, but rather give it a different approach. :gj:

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Wow, people are really getting on their high horses and jumping to conclusions in this thread. Though I agree one should never go into the business for the money, the OP never said that was the only reason he was in the business.

Also, a lot of people waste a lot of money on expenses that are not always required. $4 and $6 dollars for rats are ridiculous, and your own choice. You can easily order frozen from an online company in bulk for much less pricing than that.

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If you order and store 100+ rodents at a time..... And then shipping costs are upwards of $75 alone.

And I was simply making a reference, I got mine from a private breeder for $1.50 for weanlings. ;)

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

If you order and store 100+ rodents at a time..... And then shipping costs are upwards of $75 alone.

And I was simply making a reference, I got mine from a private breeder for $1.50 for weanlings. ;)

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That is extremely false information that you have been introduced to I'm sad to say. If you go to americanrodent.com you will find out that oftentimes, shipping is free. The more you buy, and the more likely it becomes that shipping becomes free as well. If you don't get free shipping, it is most likely 50 dollars or less for the shipping cost. So look at it this way.
Spend $100 on rodents and get free shipping.
Spend $50 on rodents and pay $50 for shipping.
It's going to be the same cost, it just depends on how much you really need.

We have a wonderful local petstore (no puppies, I'd never support any craphole that sells puppies) and we buy our feeders there. I think mice are a dollar and rats are two or three. I don't even know. I think the snakes are not that expensive, unless one gets sick.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Wow, people are really getting on their high horses and jumping to conclusions in this thread. Though I agree one should never go into the business for the money, the OP never said that was the only reason he was in the business.

Also, a lot of people waste a lot of money on expenses that are not always required. $4 and $6 dollars for rats are ridiculous, and your own choice. You can easily order frozen from an online company in bulk for much less pricing than that.

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This thread has deffinately generated some conflict and shown some true colors. It's funny cause when I came to this site I read this:

"Welcome to ball-pythons.net!


Our mission here is two-fold: First, to provide a safe and welcoming environment for beginners to come and receive reliable, honest information about caring for their reptiles. Second, to provide a warm and friendly community for reptile enthusiasts of all ages, nationalities, and experience levels to share their passions, frustrations, and joys with like minded folks."

So far this is far from what I have experienced here. It's almost like I have to think like others here in order to be accepted? Quite pathetic.

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

That is extremely false information that you have been introduced to I'm sad to say. If you go to americanrodent.com you will find out that oftentimes, shipping is free. The more you buy, and the more likely it becomes that shipping becomes free as well. If you don't get free shipping, it is most likely 50 dollars or less for the shipping cost. So look at it this way.
Spend $100 on rodents and get free shipping.
Spend $50 on rodents and pay $50 for shipping.
It's going to be the same cost, it just depends on how much you really need.

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Nice to know, but I breed my own now. :gj:

And Rodentpro.com doesn't do free shipping. they charge for one box and its up to you to fill it accordingly.

Don't get wrong there are a few members who have provided great information without being judgemental in the process.

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

This thread has deffinately generated some conflict and shown some true colors. It's funny cause when I came to this site I read this:

"Welcome to ball-pythons.net!


Our mission here is two-fold: First, to provide a safe and welcoming environment for beginners to come and receive reliable, honest information about caring for their reptiles. Second, to provide a warm and friendly community for reptile enthusiasts of all ages, nationalities, and experience levels to share their passions, frustrations, and joys with like minded folks."

So far this is far from what I have experienced here. It's almost like I have to think like others here in order to be accepted? Quite pathetic.

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Look at some of your own responses and you can see why some have responded in such fashion. If you expect warm and friendly, then you must also be willing to treat others in such a way.

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

Don't get wrong there are a few members who have provided great information without being judgemental in the process.

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Because they agreed with you.....

As the old saying goes, Treat others as you, yourself, wish to be treated.

After I read your initial post you rubbed me the wrong way, but after some clarification, I warmed up but you have proceeded to chastise any and all who are not agreeing with you. That my friend will not earn you warm and friendly. :gj:

I have considered breeding feeders, but the smell of those nasty critters just after a car ride home from the petstore makes me nearly vomit (and it DID make me vomit when I was pregnant) so I just can't deal with having them anywhere near my house for more than five minutes at a time. DH agrees.

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Originally Posted by TheOtherLeadingBrand

I have considered breeding feeders, but the smell of those nasty critters just after a car ride home from the petstore makes me nearly vomit (and it DID make me vomit when I was pregnant) so I just can't deal with having them anywhere near my house for more than five minutes at a time. DH agrees.

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This is getting a little OT, but if the smell of the feeders is that bad, it is likely that the pet store you are getting them from does not have them in clean enough conditions. It is also possible that you are just a person that is more sensitive to it than most, and I do know many women are extra sensitive to smells when pregnant.

I have to say, I can understand the need for reassurance that started all this. I about choked on my breakfast when I saw some of the snake prices for morphs! I just got my first little ball python three days ago and I feel like I got a great deal... a perfectly good little snake for $30 dollars! Everyone has their own reasons for getting involved with animals, and as long as the animals are taken care of, then I think that's just great! Besides, I keep reading all over the place that those who really like snakes should be breeding them to keep wild populations from diminishing. So more power to your breeding enterprise!

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Besides, I keep reading all over the place that those who really like snakes should be breeding them to keep wild populations from diminishing. So more power to your breeding enterprise!

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I have to argue with you there.... What does private breeding have to do with wild population? No matter what, there will always be a wild caught market. How do you think the morphs came to be and continue to expand?

Even if the US was capable of breeding enough for the market of the animals alone, the high end breeders will still seek out new morphs and wild caught BPs for the sole purpose of finding the next new morph. :gj:

I'm quite suprised that on my 2nd or 3rd post I generated a thread that has warranted some of the strongest opinions I've seen on this site yet. Sorry if I've chapped any of you in the process. I didn't mean to...really!:tears:

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I have to argue with you there.... What does private breeding have to do with wild population? No matter what, there will always be a wild caught market. How do you think the morphs came to be and continue to expand?

Even if the US was capable of breeding enough for the market of the animals alone, the high end breeders will still seek out new morphs and wild caught BPs for the sole purpose of finding the next new morph. :gj:

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I believe he was referring to animals which captive breeding programs are the only hope they have left for existence. I know there are some birds that fall into this category.

However the wild population of ball pythons are no where near extinction. Ball pythons have almost no natural predators left to compete with so their numbers are still going strong despite the volume that is exported ever year.

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However the wild population of ball pythons are no where near extinction. Ball pythons have almost no natural predators left to compete with so their numbers are still going strong despite the volume that is exported ever year.

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I was directing my opinion towards this train of thought. :gj:

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I'm quite suprised that on my 2nd or 3rd post I generated a thread that has warranted some of the strongest opinions I've seen on this site yet. Sorry if I've chapped any of you in the process. I didn't mean to...really!:tears:

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No worries. People like a good debate. :gj:

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Originally Posted by Turbo Serpent

Nice to know, but I breed my own now. :gj:

And Rodentpro.com doesn't do free shipping. they charge for one box and its up to you to fill it accordingly.

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READ her post again,she mentioned american rodent supply.com NOT rodentpro.com

if you were as quick to comprend as you are quick to argue this forum would be friendlier.

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Originally Posted by twh

READ her post again,she mentioned american rodent supply.com NOT rodentpro.com

if you were as quick to comprend as you are quick to argue this forum would be friendlier.

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And I was stating I had never heard of american rodent supply, but I was looking into rodent pro. And that is where I listed the prices from.

Try not to be so offensive especially when you are not a part of the conversation. And you can honestly take some of your own advice about comprehension and friendliness. I expressed my jump of assumption at the beginning and how I changed my thoughts afterward due to a more clarified explanation. Yet, you, keep coming at me with asinine arguments out of nowhere. Its not necessary. :snake:

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Originally Posted by twistedtails

I'm quite suprised that on my 2nd or 3rd post I generated a thread that has warranted some of the strongest opinions I've seen on this site yet. Sorry if I've chapped any of you in the process. I didn't mean to...really!:tears:

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Don't take it too personally. :oops: Most of this is just concern for you, and some of the members are unable to show that in an extremely kind way in which you may expect.
Everyone who has posted something along the lines of "Don't breed for money, but for the love of animals" is just making sure your not investing into this market blindfolded and just for money, which some people do and find themselves sadly in a pitfall. Everyone just says that in a different way, and I do agree that many of them were a bit too over-enthusiastic when posting and were a bit too judgmental of the situation.

However, in defense of the members, I can easily see how your original post sounds like you are saying that you are mostly investing in this hobby for the profit. Of course, people are people, and they will assume because there have been many others who posted similar threads who really DID mean that they just wanted profit.

Just as the members shouldn't assume what your post means, doesn't mean you should assume that they will take it the way that you meant it. It is words over internet, there are no emotions or body language to help explain the situation, that is why it is very important to be as clear as possible on your intention of each post. :gj:

Now everyone go HUMMMMM and take a DEEP BREATH.

It's obvious that the OP meant no harm. I agree that I too jumped to conclusions, but we now know the story, so let's let it be. ;)

Can't we all just get along?;)

Honestly, I didn't take the OP's original post either way. I sincerely do hope that the main motivation is love for the animals (I can tell you that if I suspect a breeder of being in the business solely 'for the money', I would not purchase from him/her). However, I spend over $100/month in feeding my 18 BPs. & I won't even go into vet visits (you will always have one every once in a while), electricity, etc. So if I can make at least that money back, I'll be a happy camper. But I also consider it a hobby. & some hobbies cost a fortune to maintain & never give you anything back in return.

I will say this: If you care for the animals, are willing to spend what it takes (money & time) keeping them happy & healthy, are willing to learn as much as possible about these wonderful creatures, then I wish all the luck in the world. It's obvious that some people can & do make a living off breeding, and many at least make the money back for the expenses.

But I truly suggest to read up as much as possible. Invest in some good books such as the Barkers' and/or Kevin McCurley's. & stick around this forum. You will learn TONS. Everyone on here cares a great deal about these animals and just don't want any harm to come to them.

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Originally Posted by TheOtherLeadingBrand

I have considered breeding feeders, but the smell of those nasty critters just after a car ride home from the petstore makes me nearly vomit (and it DID make me vomit when I was pregnant) so I just can't deal with having them anywhere near my house for more than five minutes at a time. DH agrees.

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This is getting a little OT, but if the smell of the feeders is that bad, it is likely that the pet store you are getting them from does not have them in clean enough conditions. It is also possible that you are just a person that is more sensitive to it than most, and I do know many women are extra sensitive to smells when pregnant.

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I made the mistake of forgetting bedding in the carriers while picking up my feeder rats (24) once, :puke: :puke: I've never forgotten again.

Now dont take this wrong OP this isnt directed to you UNLESS your just in this for money.

If your in it for money, you wont make any money. Why? Suppoe you have a 30 snake rack and a few snakes get sick.....More then likely they got sick because you werent caring for them properly. Or you took shortcuts and the cheapest deals you could find, bringing in Low quality, sick snakes. Also proper quarantine will be avoided to rush breeding, inviting 10? 15? 20? all of your snakes into disease.

Second, if your 100$ Normal female gets sick, your not gunna buy her a new rack if needed or seperate her. Your also not gunna Take her to a vet and cure her ilness, inviting prolonged sickness into your collection.

Also When you try to sell your snakes, often times people only buy from someone reputable. If you take shortcuts and have Mites, sick snakes, etc? Nobody will buy from you. Also If I sold a snake and somebody wasnt happy about it, i would work with them even if I took a loss....would you be willing to do that? Why did I take a loss? I'm not in it for money.


I can go on and on. But if your honest with yourself, take care of your pets right...you most likely love them and wont let things happen to them. Youll have happy, healthy snakes. And possibly from there you can attempt to have happy Customers.

Happy healthy snakes = Happy customers,
Loving animals and not money is what this Hobby is about. If you love them, you'll do WHATEVER it takes to keep them healthy.

Good Luck OP:gj:

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. However, I spend over $100/month in feeding my 18 BPs.

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Wow I need to find your spot before switching to F/t I was spending that every week almost.

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Wow I need to find your spot before switching to F/t I was spending that every week almost.

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Me too. It was killing me. I buy from a rodent breeder in West Palm Beach (about 1 hour away from where I live). I still have it shipped, though. I get about two months' worth for a bit over $100 (the rest I spend on ASFs, but I also work with a great breeder in Jax). I do only F/T, btw.

I don't how much shipping would be to your part of the world, though.

We take any sick snake to the vet, normal or not. They are living animals! Not taking care of a sick animal is animal abuse IMO, I don't care if it's worth $5 or $5000.

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Me too. It was killing me. I buy from a rodent breeder in West Palm Beach (about 1 hour away from where I live). I still have it shipped, though. I get about two months' worth for a bit over $100 (the rest I spend on ASFs, but I also work with a great breeder in Jax). I do only F/T, btw.

I don't how much shipping would be to your part of the world, though.

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What are African Soft Furred rats for? Finicky Eaters? I have a male that won't eat regular rats, but, he has also been breeding so that could be his problem.

They are rats that don't get big, or rather won't out grow your snake, they are prolific breeders, don't smell as much as mice or regular rats, you can leave the male in with babies.

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They are rats that don't get big, or rather won't out grow your snake, they are prolific breeders, don't smell as much as mice or regular rats, you can leave the male in with babies.

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What she said...lol. I have 3 currently on them. They were all 1 mouse-at-a-time feeders when I got them (& not getting past 500 grams) so now they each eat an ASF per week (the female will actually eat 2. She's gained a nice amount of weight).

Captive breeding is also for the purpose of keeping wild animals in the wild. Yes, there are people and other countries that will import in large masses, but those "big breeders" you talked about, have people over there that call THEM with something new and unique. Back in the booming days (lol, how long ago? :rofl:) I know Brian said he had a guy go over to Africa and scout the farms there looking for something new.

It's definitely died down, and it is argued by folks like the Barkers that continued importation isn't needed in the US anymore, and that we have a very diverse gene pool.

Not to mention, the US isn't the only country importing.

Captive breeding programs are used world over for many species, captive prorogation ensures that we keep the demand for wild caught specimens to the minimum to help wild populations thrive.

I know Kat (Janeothejungle) was often writing about the BP population in Africa, and has said that it can be argued that the numbers estimated is in favor of those that make a living off of farming C.H. and deporting those animals to other countries, and is unfortunately a skewed number.

So, there's a lot to it, just wanted to jump in there. ;)

To get back to the original question, as an individual who spent 15 years in business successfully, I have found that several things will dictate if you will make money. 1) is your passion for what you are doing. If you don't love it don't do it. Running a business is too much work if you do not love what you are doing. Just keep it as a hobby and enjoy your animals like all of us do. 2) What sacrifices are you willing to make to be successfull. The difference between the weekend hobbiest and the BHB breeder is not passion for the animals (we all have that), but instead the desire to turn your hobby into something bigger. Because if you do not have the drive to succeed at the business of reptile breeding you will fail. Very few people in any business succeed by accident. Yes we love the animals and would own them even if we never made a dime, but that alone will not make you a successful breeder.

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To get back to the original question, as an individual who spent 15 years in business successfully, I have found that several things will dictate if you will make money. 1) is your passion for what you are doing. If you don't love it don't do it. Running a business is too much work if you do not love what you are doing. Just keep it as a hobby and enjoy your animals like all of us do. 2) What sacrifices are you willing to make to be successfull. The difference between the weekend hobbiest and the BHB breeder is not passion for the animals (we all have that), but instead the desire to turn your hobby into something bigger. Because if you do not have the drive to succeed at the business of reptile breeding you will fail. Very few people in any business succeed by accident. Yes we love the animals and would own them even if we never made a dime, but that alone will not make you a successful breeder.

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I definately love my animals and will have lots of fun with this breeding thing. It's very interesting and also has endless possibilities. I like how you answered this on the business aspect of enjoying a hobby. I do audio engineering for a living and people told me I was crazy for going to school for it, that I would never make it. It came down to what sacrifices I was willing to make to make it in the industry and I did make a lot of them. So I totally feel you on that.

Listen what you did in my opinion was dumb. What you shoulda dun was....
Start of small maybe a pastel male with a normal female or 100% Somthing. You should not be going Ooer 375 with this. Thats what I did. I started with a male spider to a female Pastel. Now I got 2 females out of thar clutch:D I got this year the rest were norms and pastels and spiders. I'm keeping the Spiders and Bees and selling Pastels and norms. This will get me around 2500
dollars because I got 12 eggs and 6 were Pastel and 1 was a norm:D. Now what I'm planning to do is by a Lesser male to breed with the females in a couple of years and breed with my honey bee girl next year. Then once or if I get a QueenBee then I'll work on projects for then. Your just like give me Ball Pythons I don't care all I want to do is make money off it. Well Ya gotta start small and move your way up like I'm doing. I've been breeding basics bike Fire to Fire or Pastel to Pastel for the past 7 years now I'm moving up and around with different morphs. In my opinion if your not like BHB Or Ralph Davis or any other person you gotta live with it and do it just for fun.

Now I think i'm done here. hopefully you learn something from this theard.

Daniel~:snake:

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Originally Posted by Ball Python Expert

Listen What You Did In My Opinion Was Dumb. What You Shoulda Dun Was....
Start Of Small Maybe A Pastel Male With A Normal Female Or 100% Somtin. You Should Not Be Goin Over 375 With This. Thats What I Did. I Started With A Male Spider To A Female Pastel. Now I got 2 Females Out Tha Clutch:D I Got This Year The Rest Were Norms Pastels And Spiders. Im Keeping The Spiders And Bees And Selling Pastels And Norms. This Will Get Me Around 2500
Dollars Because I Got 12 Eggs And 6 Were Pastel And 1 Was A Norm:D. Now What Im Planning To Do is By A Lesser Male To Breed With The Females In A Couple Years And Breed With My Honey Bee Girl Next Year. Then Once Or If I Get A QueenBee Then Ill Work On Projects For Then. Your Just Like Give Me Ball Pythons I Don't Care All I Want To Do Is Make Money Off It. Well Ya Gotta Start Small And Move Your Way Up Like I'm Doing. I've Been Breeding Basics Like Fire To Fire Or Pastel To Pastel For The Past 7 Years Now I'm Moving Up And Around With Different Morphs. In My Opinion If Your Not Like BHB Or Ralph Davis Or Any Other Person You Gotta Live With It And Do It Just For Fun.

Now I Think I'm Done Here. Hopefully You Learn Something From This Theard.

Daniel~:snake:

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interesting:rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by Ball Python Expert

Listen What You Did In My Opinion Was Dumb. What You Shoulda Dun Was....
Start Of Small Maybe A Pastel Male With A Normal Female Or 100% Somtin. You Should Not Be Goin Over 375 With This. Thats What I Did. I Started With A Male Spider To A Female Pastel. Now I got 2 Females Out Tha Clutch:D I Got This Year The Rest Were Norms Pastels And Spiders. Im Keeping The Spiders And Bees And Selling Pastels And Norms. This Will Get Me Around 2500
Dollars Because I Got 12 Eggs And 6 Were Pastel And 1 Was A Norm:D. Now What Im Planning To Do is By A Lesser Male To Breed With The Females In A Couple Years And Breed With My Honey Bee Girl Next Year. Then Once Or If I Get A QueenBee Then Ill Work On Projects For Then. Your Just Like Give Me Ball Pythons I Don't Care All I Want To Do Is Make Money Off It. Well Ya Gotta Start Small And Move Your Way Up Like I'm Doing. I've Been Breeding Basics Like Fire To Fire Or Pastel To Pastel For The Past 7 Years Now I'm Moving Up And Around With Different Morphs. In My Opinion If Your Not Like BHB Or Ralph Davis Or Any Other Person You Gotta Live With It And Do It Just For Fun.

Now I Think I'm Done Here. Hopefully You Learn Something From This Theard.

Daniel~:snake:

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Not only a ball python expert, but an expert in the art of using the shift key. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Ball Python Expert

Listen What You Did In My Opinion Was Dumb. What You Shoulda Dun Was....
Start Of Small Maybe A Pastel Male With A Normal Female Or 100% Somtin. You Should Not Be Goin Over 375 With This. Thats What I Did. I Started With A Male Spider To A Female Pastel. Now I got 2 Females Out Tha Clutch:D I Got This Year The Rest Were Norms Pastels And Spiders. Im Keeping The Spiders And Bees And Selling Pastels And Norms. This Will Get Me Around 2500
Dollars Because I Got 12 Eggs And 6 Were Pastel And 1 Was A Norm:D. Now What Im Planning To Do is By A Lesser Male To Breed With The Females In A Couple Years And Breed With My Honey Bee Girl Next Year. Then Once Or If I Get A QueenBee Then Ill Work On Projects For Then. Your Just Like Give Me Ball Pythons I Don't Care All I Want To Do Is Make Money Off It. Well Ya Gotta Start Small And Move Your Way Up Like I'm Doing. I've Been Breeding Basics Like Fire To Fire Or Pastel To Pastel For The Past 7 Years Now I'm Moving Up And Around With Different Morphs. In My Opinion If Your Not Like BHB Or Ralph Davis Or Any Other Person You Gotta Live With It And Do It Just For Fun.

Now I Think I'm Done Here. Hopefully You Learn Something From This Theard.

Daniel~:snake:

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Daniel,

I would LOVE to see some photos of your collection!!

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Daniel,

I would LOVE to see some photos of your collection!!

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As would I... Anyone that has been breeding for Black eye Lucy's for the last 7 years is bound to have a really nice collection..

Oh, thankfully the expert has chimed in once again.... :8:

BP expert... you do realize that we can see your previous posts by clicking on your name right? You know like the one earlier today (or yesterday) where you didn't know what a pastel was... or the one from a day two or three days ago where you were asking the most basic breeding questions?

Sorry, don't mean to call you out.... but actually I do.