mojave or not?

wow sorry to see that u got ripped off

how much is she charging for the pastels? if your not sure i'd get a pic of the ones she has for sale first and post them here if you still want to buy from her. I wouldnt reccomend buying anything from her again but thats your choice

the pastels are $175

i have no problem buying from her again. i honestly think it was just a mistake. this lady and her husband have been doing this for like 15 years and have been featured more than once in reptile magazine and other magazines. they breed all kinds of reptiles out of their home here in chico and do business all over the country via retile shows and the internet. she told me the last show they did they sold over 180 balls morphs/normals so i dont think people at the shows would be buying from them if they were trying to rip everyone off. it wouldnt go un-noticed at a show dedicated to promoting reptiles

$175? Thats a lot. I got my male pastel for $150 2 years ago and now they're going for $75-125ish

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$175? Thats a lot. I got my male pastel for $150 2 years ago and now they're going for $75-125ish

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would you be willing to pm me and tell me the place you get yours?

im trying to get a female too, dont they usually cost a little more?

cheapest ive seen was $100 for males and $200 for females and thats over the internet so shipping would have to be paid also

If someone that big in this industry is ripping people off by selling them normals as mojos, you need to tell us who they are so they can be dealt with. Doing that much business with balls, you don't make that kind of mistake.

It was a small breeder in Northern Cali, they dont ship but I know you can find some good ones, post an ad in the classifieds section maybe you can find someone else local that wont rip you off

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It was a small breeder in Northern Cali, they dont ship but I know you can find some good ones, post an ad in the classifieds section maybe you can find someone else local that wont rip you off

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thers no other local breeders here, they are the only ones around. maybe if i drive a few hours i can find some more but im confidant that they are good people and it wont happen again and if it does well mistakes happen and as long as they are willing to correct them its all good

and i live in northern cali, whats their location i can go ther. i have 2 homes ones 3 hours north of sf and the other is 2 hours south of oregan so it shouldnt be too much of a drive if they are as great as you say

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If someone that big in this industry is ripping people off by selling them normals as mojos, you need to tell us who they are so they can be dealt with. Doing that much business with balls, you don't make that kind of mistake.

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everyone makes mistakes, its human nature. when you stop making mistakes then you can talk.

im sure you have a license to drive a car, i would assume you have been doing it for a while. so next time you speed remember you just made a mistake, or next time you make some toast and burn it remember you just made a mistake.

maybe you shouldnt drive or make toast since you cant do it correct every time right?

Shipping a Normal over a Mojave? That's a very serious mistake.

let me see if I can dig up they're e-mail. What part of northern cali are you in? and I can let you know I'm expecting mojave and hopefully pastels this year, my mojave's breeding now

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s/S6302110.jpg

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Shipping a Normal over a Mojave? That's a very serious mistake.

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there is no way you can make that mistake and see the pics and still say its a mojave.

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so is speeding and burning toast, you could kill someone or burn down your house

it wasnt shipped. i went and got it, i live in the same town. i just wasnt familiar enough with the characteristics of mojaves to catch it and neither are they i guess. ill talk to them about it next time i get food and see if we can both turn it into a learning experience so it doesnt happen again

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let me see if I can dig up they're e-mail. What part of northern cali are you in? and I can let you know I'm expecting mojave and hopefully pastels this year, my mojave's breeding now

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s/S6302110.jpg

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im in chico and in ukiah. i go to santa rosa all the time and ocasionally to oakland and sf for baseball games

and trust me i know he isnt a mojave lol its been made very clear by everyone that i got "ripped off"

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it wasnt shipped. i went and got it, i live in the same town. i just wasnt familiar enough with the characteristics of mojaves to catch it and neither are they i guess.

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That makes it worse. Comparing this to burning toast and driving a car is apples and oranges. You shouldn't sell what you can't even identify. :colbert:

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That makes it worse. Comparing this to burning toast and driving a car is apples and oranges. You shouldn't sell what you can't even identify. :colbert:

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also with supposedly being in this business for 15 years and in reptiles mag. i wonder how many of those 180 supposed morphs were normals.

as of the original poster i would be going over to fauna and check the boi for them im sure they (in 15 years) have to be listed on there

I'm up in vacaville, i'll keep you posted. i cant find his e-mail but i'll keep looking

Wow. Nice attitude kid. Good luck with that. If you're the kinda person who likes getting taken on deals, then that's on you.

Don't get me started on my driving. I have over a million miles both accident and ticket free in a 40 ton vehicle over 70 feet long and almost 12 feet wide. I've driven more miles in a month than most people do in a YEAR. I don't speed. Not even one mile over the limit. Because I've seen too much senseless loss of life out there and it's just not worth it. It might also still be some of that rubbing off on me from when I was a police officer and just choose to obey the law. I don't make toast, so I certainly don't burn it.

Even a rank newbie can tell the difference between a mojo and a normal. Perhaps your breeder "friend" and yourself just deserve each other.

This thread is ridiculous.
Get a corn snake, maybe it will be het for bateater.
Good-freakin'-luck.
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Don't get me started on my driving. I have over a million miles both accident and ticket free in a 40 ton vehicle over 70 feet long and almost 12 feet wide. I've driven more miles in a month than most people do in a YEAR. I don't speed. Not even one mile over the limit. Because I've seen too much senseless loss of life out there and it's just not worth it. It might also still be some of that rubbing off on me from when I was a police officer and just choose to obey the law. I don't make toast, so I certainly don't burn it.

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you sir are a liar, i can guarantee that you have sped at some point. and ESPECIALLY if you were a police officer, evryone knows that police love to chase people at high speeds and drive crazy to give tickets. if youve never sped then youve never given a speeding ticket right? tisc tisc

and you should try some toast its delicious! :taz:

And speaking of Liars....

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the pastels are $175

i have no problem buying from her again. i honestly think it was just a mistake. this lady and her husband have been doing this for like 15 years and have been featured more than once in reptile magazine and other magazines. they breed all kinds of reptiles out of their home here in chico and do business all over the country via retile shows and the internet. she told me the last show they did they sold over 180 balls morphs/normals so i dont think people at the shows would be buying from them if they were trying to rip everyone off. it wouldnt go un-noticed at a show dedicated to promoting reptiles

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I think you're full of it.

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you sir are a liar, i can guarantee that you have sped at some point. and ESPECIALLY if you were a police officer, evryone knows that police love to chase people at high speeds and drive crazy to give tickets. if youve never sped then youve never given a speeding ticket right? tisc tisc

and you should try some toast its delicious! :taz:

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40 ton vehicle over 70 feet long and almost 12 feet wide

that sure doesnt sound like any squad car i have ever seen and at that size i would surely see it:rolleyes:

Were we not just talking about people posting just to stir the pot??

I am thoroughly lost....

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The pastels are $175

i have no problem buying from her again. I honestly think it was just a mistake. This lady and her husband have been doing this for like 15 years and have been featured more than once in reptile magazine and other magazines. They breed all kinds of reptiles out of their home here in chico and do business all over the country via retile shows and the internet. She told me the last show they did they sold over 180 balls morphs/normals so i dont think people at the shows would be buying from them if they were trying to rip everyone off. It wouldnt go un-noticed at a show dedicated to promoting reptiles

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If this seller has been in the business for 15+ years, has been in the ball breeding business, in Reptiles magazine, blah blah blah, then they either are lying to you about everything, or ripping you off by selling you that snake as a mojave, (its clearly not a mojave, not even close).

If they aren't ripping you off or lying to you, your lying to us.

So which one is it?

WHO IS this mystery seller that is so big and bad??? Although the ball python community is wide spread, it's still pretty small....

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40 ton vehicle over 70 feet long and almost 12 feet wide

that sure doesnt sound like any squad car i have ever seen and at that size i would surely see it:rolleyes:

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he said he was a policeman lol

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I am thoroughly lost....

If this seller has been in the business for 15+ years, has been in the ball breeding business, in Reptiles magazine, blah blah blah, then they either are lying to you about everything, or ripping you off by selling you that snake as a mojave, (its clearly not a mojave, not even close).

If they aren't ripping you off or lying to you, your lying to us.

So which one is it?

WHO IS this mystery seller that is so big and bad??? Although the ball python community is wide spread, it's still pretty small....

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do a search for ball python breeders in chico ca if you want to find him. im not gonna throw him under the bus cause i think him and his wife are awesome people and all you guys are just out for blood. maybe all of you have been burned before thats why you are the way you are and think this is so bad. youre not even the ones who got "ripped off" so i dont see what the big deal is here. i asked if it was a mojave and i got my answer.

and why would i lie about it, i can think of no reason to say i was sold a mojave that isnt a mojave. can you?

i think im done with this website. after being a member for 1 day i can see what kind of people are on here. everyone with the exception of 3 members have been nothing but rude, yea ive been rude too but only when it was warranted.

thankyou to the people who had good things to say

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everyone makes mistakes, its human nature. when you stop making mistakes then you can talk.

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If she has 15 years experience with breeding, she didn't make a mistake. She would know that was a normal. Most breeders either give away their normal males or sell them for no more than $30. She oversold that snake by $120 at least.

A mojave is a very distinct looking morph, and unless she picked it out with her eyes closed, she knew that she was selling you a normal.

I'm glad that you're happy with your animal, but it doesn't excuse a breeder with the amount of experience that you say she has still trying to insist that a clearly normal ball python is a mojave. :weirdface

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i think im done with this website. after being a member for 1 day i can see what kind of people are on here. everyone with the exception of 3 members have been nothing but rude, yea ive been rude too but only when it was warranted.

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Sorry, did we scare all the fish away for you???? Awwww, better luck trolling your next forum...

http://www.ronsreptiles.com/

That's all I could find...

Here is what you are missing, yes people make mistakes however not that kind of mistake especially not if the person has been in this industry for 15 years :rolleyes: (you would need to be seriously visually impaired to make that kind of mistake)

People here are not out for blood as you suggested it, they want to make sure that this will not happen again, because I can assure you that if they sold you this snake as a mojave there is no telling what they will sell to other potential buyers who are not knowledgeable when it come to morphs.

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Sorry, did we scare all the fish away for you???? Awwww, better luck trolling your next forum...

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what fish?

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http://www.ronsreptiles.com/

That's all I could find...

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nope not that place, never seen him. ill have to give him a try maybe

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Here is what you are missing, yes people make mistakes however not that kind of mistake especially not if the person has been in this industry for 15 years :rolleyes: (you would need to be seriously visually impaired to make that kind of mistake)

People here are not out for blood as you suggested it, they want to make sure that this will not happen again, because I can assure you that if they sold you this snake as a mojave there is no telling what they will sell to other potential buyers who are not knowledgeable when it come to morphs.

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Considering how odd as his posts have been in this thread, defending the "scammer" and attacking people who are trying to help, I wouldn't worry too much about this scammer breeder actually existing.

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Considering how odd as his posts have been in this thread, defending the "scammer" and attacking people who are trying to help, I wouldn't worry too much about this scammer breeder actually existing.

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I'm leaning towards that myself. I don't care how reputable someone was I'd flip my shizzles if someone tried to give me a Normal as a Mojave. :taz:

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Considering how odd as his posts have been in this thread, defending the "scammer" and attacking people who are trying to help, I wouldn't worry too much about this scammer breeder actually existing.

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then how did i get the snake? i sure didnt pull it out of a hat.

quote the people who have said anything useful at all. i thanked the people who have and that was all of about 5 posts max

well whatever this thread has become more than pointless, you guys can think this "scammer" doesnt exist. i made all this up just to get a rise out of you guys and see how far we could take this! its been a great run felluhs

the reason everyone keeps asking is because they dont want to be ripped off or see anyone else being ripped off. when you act like its ok, well it kinda sends up red flags as being a poss. troll or even just someone trying to bash someone else. alot of ppl on this site have been around for quite some time and they have dealt with many many other breeders. when something goes bad (i.e. your post) well naturally everyone wants to know who sold this animal to you. you stated that this person has be around for 15 years and in a mag. so surely someone here would know of either past bad dealings or past good dealings.

whats a troll?

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whats a troll?

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An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum or chat room, with the intention of provoking other users into an emotional response[1] or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion



i hope now you realize why some ppl have well put their "arse hats" on

ah i see now, no this is def not me "trolling". but even if i was people can just not post and that would save all this drama business going on here

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then how did i get the snake? i sure didnt pull it out of a hat.

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You either got it from a local pet store or craigslist. your rationale is absurd. I encourage you to keep buying from this mystery breeder. :gj:

I do know that if I was in your shoes, the VERY FIRST THING I WOULD DO IS THROW THE "BREEDER" UNDER THE BUS as you so elegantly put it.

anyway thanks and this thread can be done now. lock it up or something

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anyway thanks and this thread can be done now. lock it up or something

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Sounds like DBD

We don`t lock threads because you ask us to. :rolleyes:

You asked for advice and information that you were lacking, people gave it to you, and you have repaid them with...?

If what you say happened, then you were ripped off. Someone took advantage of you and lied to you regarding your purchase.

You can choose to deal with them again, or not, that is your business.

If you want this thread to die a natural death, then I would encourage you to stop posting on it. That is how threads usually disappear.

Bruce

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whats that? im not familiar with all this forum slang

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...people can just not post and that would save all this drama business going on here

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Sounds like sound advice.

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Sounds like sound advice.

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then take it sonny jim

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then take it sonny jim

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Is this your thread, and you'll cry if you want to? Cry if you want to? Cry if you want to??

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whats a troll?

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Awww, that's so precious.... 10 pages and over a 1000 views on a thread not even a day old... Looks like you get high score there lil troll dude.....