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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
Its good to see hes doing ok now
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by _Venom_
Yes?
Is there a way to get rid of them all overnight?
I'm getting suggestions of all kind, let him alone its too stressed, go ahead and do the treatments, give him foods, etc etc.
Heres what I recommend.
Take him to the vet, and give him a check-up and tell them what happened.
Get PAM and spray the container, make sure to follow all of the instructions carefully. Don't spray it on the animal. Soak your snake in a warm bath for 30 minutes or so, then take a sprayed Reptile Relief washcloth and wipe down his body avoiding his head.
Put him back in his PAM treated cage and repeat until the mites are gone.
If your using aspen, use papertowels or newspaper until this problem is solved.
You may feed him normally.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by SoCaliSon
Like has been said like 20 times I think the priority here will be a Vet visit... They should be able to give you the best advice, but be sure you inform the Vet of this incident.
Right. that was last night. when vets are closed. today I worked.
Right now will be a good time...
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
Alive
Skeptics
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Now that that is out of the way, get some PAM and follow the directions.
Good luck
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
:weirdface wow...this thread is enlightening...
btw, glad to hear the snake is alive
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by LadyOhh
Alive
Skeptics
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Now that that is out of the way, get some PAM and follow the directions.
Good luck
this post is just....so awesome.
I give it a... 10...a frikkin 10!
:cool:
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by MeMe
this post is just....so awesome.
I give it a... 10...a frikkin 10!
:cool:
Skeptics is spelled correctly.
It's just sloppy.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
Has the activity of the snake changed at all through this? How is his behavior?
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
- Also I just checked the bottle which was covered by a sticker and its Mite off, not Reptile Relief
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by SoCaliSon
Has the activity of the snake changed at all through this? How is his behavior?
Its exactly the same as before. No awkward"IBD" movements, no nothing. I swear, I promise.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by _Venom_
Its exactly the same as before. No awkward"IBD" movements, no nothing. I swear, I promise.
Well that is a good sign... This has to be the single oddest occurance as far as seeming dead and coming back to life I have heard of in any herp... You got real lucky man...
Side Story A little off topic but kind of applies. I did have a Female Veiled Chameleon who was in her egg laying bin all day one day digging a deep nest for her eggs, when I came to discover that the heat wave that day had caused the sand to dry and collapse as she was burying her eggs. All I saw when I looked in was a motionless tail sticking out of the dirt, No hole:O. I pulled her out... and she flopped motionless into my hand. She layed like that for about 5-10 seconds as I tried to wipe the sand off of her, I thought she was dead for sure... Well when I took a deep breathe and blew on her as hard as I could to get the sand off of her face, too my suprise she quickly came too in a Panic and gripped my hand and looked at me like "What the Hell just happened!?!?" I have no idea how long she was unconcious for, but that was the only time I had seen any herp go from unconcious to concious. Needless to say..I changed my pants:rolleyes:, gave her a shower, and called my vet. To this day she is happy and thriving, and all 46 eggs are happily incubating.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
did you wash whatever that 'mite off stuff' is off the snake?
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound
did you wash whatever that 'mite off stuff' is off the snake?
Yes.
In the current pictures, it's in shed. As stated in the first post.
Or did I?
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by SoCaliSon
Well that is a good sign... This has to be the single oddest occurance as far as seeming dead and coming back to life I have heard of in any herp... You got real lucky man...
Side Story A little off topic but kind of applies. I did have a Female Veiled Chameleon who was in her egg laying bin all day one day digging a deep nest for her eggs, when I came to discover that the heat wave that day had caused the sand to dry and collapse as she was burying her eggs. All I saw when I looked in was a motionless tail sticking out of the dirt, No hole:O. I pulled her out... and she flopped motionless into my hand. She layed like that for about 5-10 seconds as I tried to wipe the sand off of her, I thought she was dead for sure... Well when I took a deep breathe and blew on her as hard as I could to get the sand off of her face, too my suprise she quickly came too in a Panic and gripped my hand and looked at me like "What the Hell just happened!?!?" I have no idea how long she was unconcious for, but that was the only time I had seen any herp go from unconcious to concious. Needless to say..I changed my pants:rolleyes:, gave her a shower, and called my vet. To this day she is happy and thriving, and all 46 eggs are happily incubating.
Yeah, I've had a couple scorpions play dead. But this is a first.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
On another side note.
This happened to me as well, but with a weanling ASF.
It was laying there, and it appeared to be dead. I picked it up and it was motionless and didn't look to be breathing. I attempted to put it in front of my boa who just ate so it wouldn't be wasted, but he went uninterested.
To my surprise as I was about to go back to the cage it started to breath and open its eyes.
Lets just say, I was very confused after it was 'dead' for 10 minutes.
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I smell a troll. Sorry dude I dont know how you expect us to believe your snake busted a jesus act. Now your gonna have people think he's the son of the snake god and start your own snake church in an attempt to make millions give you money for a false religion. I've seen people try this tons of times.:rolleyes:
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by abyss_x3
I smell a troll. Sorry dude I dont know how you expect us to believe your snake busted a jesus act. Now your gonna have people think he's the son of the snake god and start your own snake church in an attempt to make millions give you money for a false religion. I've seen people try this tons of times.:rolleyes:
He did post pictures with the 'he's alive' thing.
Which, I donno, is pretty good evidence.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
I believe the story
I wish I believed that this snake would see a vet in the near future....
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
Provent-A-Mite - aka PAM - http://www.entirelypets.com - order some.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by abyss_x3
I smell a troll. Sorry dude I dont know how you expect us to believe your snake busted a jesus act. Now your gonna have people think he's the son of the snake god and start your own snake church in an attempt to make millions give you money for a false religion. I've seen people try this tons of times.:rolleyes:
Hahaha
hi abyss
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by rabernet
I'm on it!
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
Hey I dont know where in chicago you are, but Chicago reptile house in Orland usually has pam in stock and they have that new mkb or whatever its called in the big grey can. I like it alot better than pam but it is pretty much the same stuff.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
Congrats on the Resurrection,I know I was skeptical.You sure its not a Zombie Snake now? The Slithering Dead!!!Here are some Chicagoland reptile vets.
http://www.repticzone.com/articles/vets/Illinois.html
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22
He did post pictures with the 'he's alive' thing.
Which, I donno, is pretty good evidence.
I was just teasing. Me and Venom are really good friends.....kinda.....yeah we are.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
Quite the amazing story!! Hopefully he is in the clear.. When does the church of jesus snake start? Count me in.. where do I send my donations
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by WickedBalls
Dr. Maia Chan
Midwest Bird & Exotic Animal Hospital
7510 West North Avenue
:gj:
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by abyss_x3
I was just teasing. Me and Venom are really good friends.....kinda.....yeah we are.
Haha, sorry, I couldn't tell. :]
Super glad this turned out for the better.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
I'm just shocked that no one here has used or brought up olive oil ? Man this is the best stuff. I've used this stuff threw the 20 yrs. of messing w/reptiles. Very easy to use, cheap and works on contact, plus it does not harm reptiles. :gj:
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
well might as well throw down my might technique that has never failed
1. remove snake from cage
2. clean cage
3. soak cage in water
4. dry cage
5. put down newspaper in cage
6. spray PAM all over the bottom of cage and around it.
7. LET IT FUMIGATE
8. put everything including snake back in........
o ya give him a bath during this process and pick off as many mites as you can. If you do this right you will have a happy healthy snake =]
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
if that doesnt work ill kiss my own arse o.O
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
You guys should be careful w/ the PAM references before someone sprays their snake down w/ cooking spray. Someone did just mention olive oil.
I'll be watching for the new thread...
Glad little dude came back to the light.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
Gotta say I'm shocked that he's alive!!!
Olive oil does not kill mite eggs, even tho it may kill mites. So you'll have mites again in about 30 days.
I know people have posted links to (PAM) Provent a Mite and where you can buy it from.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
BK II from proexotics.com is suppose to be safe around snakes, although they do not reccomend spraying it direclty on the animal.
I will say this, if you haven't named your snake yet, I would call him jesus.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by lillyorchid
Gotta say I'm shocked that he's alive!!!
Olive oil does not kill mite eggs, even tho it may kill mites. So you'll have mites again in about 30 days.
I know people have posted links to (PAM) Provent a Mite and where you can buy it from.
I myself use mineral oil. While the oil does not in itself "kill" mites like poison does, it does smother them and the eggs. I also put my animals in a diluted lystrine soak before rubbing them down with the oil. My treatment came from a vet text book on reptiles. This treatment was used before the advent of P.A.M. and such. I repeated the treatment in two weeks just as a precaution, and all mites were gone. Haven't seen them since, and this was several years ago.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
Call him Lazarus. I personally think that zombie snakes are cool. Vet trip and ProventAMite. Your friends.
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I have friends who swear by olive oil. They have used it and only had to use it once and never saw mites again.....i'm just sayin
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by waltah!
I have friends who swear by olive oil.
So do I.
just sayin'
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
Hi,
For oil to work on a longstanding heavy infestation wouldn't you have to oil down the whole cage and every tiny gap therein?
To get all the eggs laid in crevices and suchlike?
And doesn't oil cause problems with their skin on its own? - I seem to remember reading about the top layer of all the scales coming off individually all over the place.
I get the idea of how it works (we used to use a dab of vaseline on ticks for the same reason) but other than for instant relief for the animal I don't think I could trust it. And I'd be more likely to use the water and dish soap idea for instant relief as It sounds far easier to clean off the animal quickly which always sounds less stressful to me.
But I have never tried it so am really asking for your input about it.
Oh and thor? Start puckerin - you said fumigate instead of ventilate in your post. :P
dr del
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by waltah!
I have friends who swear by olive oil. They have used it and only had to use it once and never saw mites again.....i'm just sayin
I suppose if you have only one snake, olive oil works... but it is a limited work I'm referring to.
Mites do not hang out all day and live on a snake. They lay their eggs in small cracks and crevices of the cage. They spend all day around the cage hiding, and the females come out at night to gorge themselves on blood.
When you do the olive oil, you drown the mites on the snake. I suppose that it could end the life cycle if you continued to use olive oil on your snake religiously every day for a couple of weeks to make sure you have also killed the mites that have just hatched from eggs etc etc, (olive oil will not kill the eggs), but that can't be great for the condition of the snakes skin.
I do not think it is the end all, swear by, solution to solving mites, but is better off viewed as a step to relieve the snake immediately of mites while you treat the cage and surrounding area with pesticides etc.
A less messy way to kill mites directly on the snake is a soapy soak to kill the mites. Then, use the oil on the head and under the chin where the snake didn't get wet to drown any other buggers.
I did suggest all of that to Venom back when he was asking for help, if he did it or not, he still needs to follow up by treating the cage and surrounding area with PAM or BKII, and re-treat the poor snake with either a bath/oil or reptile relief.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
I should say that I have friends that have used it to treat their snakes...not the enclosures ..for obvious reasons.
I...myself...would use PAM.
That is Provent-A-Mite.
Not the cooking kind. ;)
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
I'm glad to hear your snake is doing better.
Several oils can be used to treat snakes as a temporary measure. Olive oil as pointed out and even mineral oil can be used. Mineral oil is sold by drug store like places. It basically suffocates all the mites. The one bad point is it causes the snake to have a bad shed (only once) after treatment.
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Am I the only person that thinks the 'ressurected' snake and the dying snake look nothing alike? O_o
One has almost an albino retic-y kinda look with the more orange but the other looks a lot lighter...
Or maybe I'm just seeing things.
I still smell a troll.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by gothkenny
Am I the only person that thinks the 'ressurected' snake and the dying snake look nothing alike? O_o
One has almost an albino retic-y kinda look with the more orange but the other looks a lot lighter...
Or maybe I'm just seeing things.
I still smell a troll.
You're getting annoying man.
Why in the blue hell would I troll after months of being here?
What do you want em to do to prove it?
It is the same snake.
Even when I posted the second pictures I said it wasn't the same quality.
Anyway. It is in shed.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by gothkenny
Am I the only person that thinks the 'ressurected' snake and the dying snake look nothing alike? O_o
One has almost an albino retic-y kinda look with the more orange but the other looks a lot lighter...
Or maybe I'm just seeing things.
I still smell a troll.
It's the same snake, the pattern is the same. Yup, you're seeing things! :D
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Originally Posted by dacalio
I'm glad to hear your snake is doing better.
Several oils can be used to treat snakes as a temporary measure. Olive oil as pointed out and even mineral oil can be used. Mineral oil is sold by drug store like places. It basically suffocates all the mites. The one bad point is it causes the snake to have a bad shed (only once) after treatment.
You know I heard the warning about "bad shed" after using it, but have never experienced it. One of the snakes I treated was actually just going into blue when he was treated, and he had a perfect shed. The other animal had a normal shed his next cycle as well. (both animals were recieved from the same person).
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Originally Posted by OhBalls
It's the same snake, the pattern is the same. Yup, you're seeing things! :D
I agree, when he posted the second pics, I sat and compared the patterns and it sure looks like the same snake to me... That and I recognize one of the mites from both pics...Zoom up and it's waving at the camera...:O:rolleyes:excuse my dryness.
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
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Originally Posted by SoCaliSon
I recognize one of the mites from both pics...Zoom up and it's waving at the camera...:O:rolleyes:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
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Re: I think my burmese just died in its hands
The diluted lystrine soak steralizes any bugs that "escape the oil. Note I do not rub the oil off after I put it on, I leave it on, just do not put it on really thick.
As for the cage, I completely streilize it. There are to many reports of hognose developing neurological issues after being place back into enclosures that were treated with P.A.M. and other similar pesticide treatments. While these are not official reports I refer to, they are fisrt hand accountings from different hobbyist on a hognose forum I am a part of.
All I can say is that this was a poison free method that worked extremely well for me on two animals that were heavily infested. Treated once, repeated in 2 weeks, and haven't seen a mite since.
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