Pastel Ceylonese Pythons

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Tim, Ritchie Luna aka The Ferret, checked in all 50 states for incorporation papers.

None exist anywhere.

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Do you know how long that took?

Each state had to be searched for the business name. That is 50 minimum.
Each state had to be searched for thw wife's name. another 50
Each state had to be search for David's name. another 50
Each state had to be searched for variations of her name. another 50 MINIMUM
Each state had to be search for variations of his name. and how many names has he had?

But before all that, I had to find the databases that eash state kept.

yes it took months. But I can pass a polygraph attesting to the fact that each state was searched.

No one asked me. But I posted my business license on Fauna, SEVERAL times.
No one asked me....but I also posted my driver's license on fauna, SEVERAL times.
I do exist and will do the same here if need be. I have no problems providing proof on who I am.


I am invoking rule number nine on "David"

I posted this on David's Fauna BOI thread already, but I will post it here as well.

This is the type of character this "man" has. He followed the link in my signature to ReptileGeeks and left me this message. It has been reported to the owner there. He also left me two very subtle PM's here - one stating that he and I lived very close and he couldn't wait to meet me, and one asking if a picture that I posed in my gallery was a picture of me again closing with he couldn't wait to meet me. Both were very clear to me that they were meant to be intimidating.

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I have been doing some research on you, where you live, about your family and all the other particulars in your life. I felt that since you felt that were entitled to pry into my life that I have full reign to dig into yours. Lookin forward to meeting you, David

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Originally Posted by N4S

I must say, I read this whole thread and someone has yet to say first hand that they were scammed by this dude.

This means that I will not judge him by what was said in here.

Nice snakes BTW. :gj:

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hmmmm....is your monitor turned on? :confused:

I was thinking............

Al Capone could not be gotten on the numerous things he has done.

But they did get him on Tax Evasion ;)

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Originally Posted by Ritchie

I was thinking............

Al Capone could not be gotten on the numerous things he has done.

But they did get him on Tax Evasion ;)

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You forgot the Evil Laugh, Ritchie.

MUAHAHAhahHAHAhahahahahHAHAhahahHahahahah

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Originally Posted by rabernet

I posted this on David's Fauna BOI thread already, but I will post it here as well.

This is the type of character this "man" has. He followed the link in my signature to ReptileGeeks and left me this message. It has been reported to the owner there. He also left me two very subtle PM's here - one stating that he and I lived very close and he couldn't wait to meet me, and one asking if a picture that I posed in my gallery was a picture of me again closing with he couldn't wait to meet me. Both were very clear to me that they were meant to be intimidating.

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I just checked out highendherps at reptilegeeks and his mood is grumpy, and he is studying....LOL

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

hmmmm....is your monitor turned on? :confused:

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I have not seen any proof of him scamming anyone as well.

All I saw was a loooong thread of what his name is. Nothing about selling bad animals or anything.

yeah he has not scammed anyone.

Doing business under a pretend name is not a scam
Doing business under a fake company is not a scam.
Doing business with a fake 30 years experience is not a scam
Doing business by lying is not a scam.
Misrepresenting your animals is not a scam
Doing business in the state of Louisiana and not filing correct taxes or a business license is not a scam
Saying everything you sell was bred by you when in fact you really bought it elsewhere is not a scam
saying you have a closed collection when you buy your animals is not a scam.
Saying you have the best quarantine procedures when you keep all your breeders, babies and animals you just bought, in the same room is not a scam
Saying that some other breeders sent a desease to your "closed" collection is not a scam
pretending to be a big time seler is not a scam
haveing fake feedback on your website is not a scam
saying you do not know person "A" when you happen to be selling Person "A's" truck is not a scam


Saying you read the thread and then saying all you saw was a name issue..............IS A SCAM

So this dude just lied about all theese things even about expierience?

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Originally Posted by Ritchie

yeah he has not scammed anyone.

Doing business under a pretend name is not a scam
Doing business under a fake company is not a scam.
Doing business with a fake 30 years experience is not a scam
Doing business by lying is not a scam.
Misrepresenting your animals is not a scam
Doing business in the state of Louisiana and not filing correct taxes or a business license is not a scam
Saying everything you sell was bred by you when in fact you really bought it elsewhere is not a scam
saying you have a closed collection when you buy your animals is not a scam.
Saying you have the best quarantine procedures when you keep all your breeders, babies and animals you just bought, in the same room is not a scam
Saying that some other breeders sent a desease to your "closed" collection is not a scam
pretending to be a big time seler is not a scam
haveing fake feedback on your website is not a scam
saying you do not know person "A" when you happen to be selling Person "A's" truck is not a scam


Saying you read the thread and then saying all you saw was a name issue..............IS A SCAM

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Very nice...I was going to say...just reading these threads was enough for me....

...plus....would you buy from someone who isnt willing to present proof of identification......I mean...pulleeeaaazze...what are you hiding? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Ritchie

yeah he has not scammed anyone.

Doing business under a pretend name is not a scam
Doing business under a fake company is not a scam.
Doing business with a fake 30 years experience is not a scam
Doing business by lying is not a scam.
Misrepresenting your animals is not a scam
Doing business in the state of Louisiana and not filing correct taxes or a business license is not a scam
Saying everything you sell was bred by you when in fact you really bought it elsewhere is not a scam
saying you have a closed collection when you buy your animals is not a scam.
Saying you have the best quarantine procedures when you keep all your breeders, babies and animals you just bought, in the same room is not a scam
Saying that some other breeders sent a desease to your "closed" collection is not a scam
pretending to be a big time seler is not a scam
haveing fake feedback on your website is not a scam
saying you do not know person "A" when you happen to be selling Person "A's" truck is not a scam


Saying you read the thread and then saying all you saw was a name issue..............IS A SCAM

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Well done!
Seriously.

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Originally Posted by RKO

I have not seen any proof of him scamming anyone as well.

All I saw was a loooong thread of what his name is. Nothing about selling bad animals or anything.

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Originally Posted by Jerhart

Very nice...I was going to say...just reading these threads was enough for me....

...plus....would you buy from someone who isnt willing to present proof of identification......I mean...pulleeeaaazze...what are you hiding? :rolleyes:

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...and he got banned from this site in about 48 hours....just like he does from every other site....does this not speak volumes? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Ritchie

yeah he has not scammed anyone.

Doing business under a pretend name is not a scam
Doing business under a fake company is not a scam.
Doing business with a fake 30 years experience is not a scam
Doing business by lying is not a scam.
Misrepresenting your animals is not a scam
Doing business in the state of Louisiana and not filing correct taxes or a business license is not a scam
Saying everything you sell was bred by you when in fact you really bought it elsewhere is not a scam
saying you have a closed collection when you buy your animals is not a scam.
Saying you have the best quarantine procedures when you keep all your breeders, babies and animals you just bought, in the same room is not a scam
Saying that some other breeders sent a desease to your "closed" collection is not a scam
pretending to be a big time seler is not a scam
haveing fake feedback on your website is not a scam
saying you do not know person "A" when you happen to be selling Person "A's" truck is not a scam

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I have seen no posts of him selling sick animals, animals that arrived dead and he did nothing, him taking people's money and not sending them their animals, him sending/selling someone a mis-sexed animals etc.

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Originally Posted by Ritchie

Saying you read the thread and then saying all you saw was a name issue..............IS A SCAM

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Really, how so?

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I have seen no posts of him selling sick animals, animals that arrived dead and he did nothing, him taking people's money and not sending them their animals, him sending/selling someone a mis-sexed animals etc.

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Oh. Well in that case, what's a little lying and fraud?? The bottom line is - Would you knowingly do business with someone who hugely misrepresents himself and his animals?? (All those who bought from Belcher..... nod your heads).


~Kat

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Originally Posted by janeothejungle

Oh. Well in that case, what's a little lying and fraud?? The bottom line is - Would you knowingly do business with someone who hugely misrepresents himself and his animals?? (All those who bought from Belcher..... nod your heads).


~Kat

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Fraud- a word I've been waiting to hear in this thread.

I have unfortunately. Though I can say I will not be doing that again.

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Originally Posted by High End Herps Inc

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...esePics001.jpg
Here are some pics of one of our 05 Pastel Ceylonese breeders. The picture above was taken last May, before she had her sudden, Pastel Change. Until her Pastel Change she looked just like any other ceylonese python. As did all the other 05 holdbacks that we still have.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...esePics011.jpg
This picture and the one below were taken just a few days ago, right after she had her sudden and very dramatic Pastel Change. These changes happen all at once and with a single shed. It's just simply INCREDIBLE, the drastic change they go through.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...esePics006.jpg

If you would like to see more before and after pics of this female or the other 05 siblings that have also recently gone through their Pastel Changes please let me know and I will post more. I have many many pictures of these truly amazing, one-of-a-kind Ceylonese Morphs.

Or just go to the Ceylonese Page on our website.

Enjoy! ;)

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I know you are probably still reading this.
So I will say it here.

It is funny that you have the father and all these siblings that are pastel. And yet you only have pictures of the same animal over and over. Even on your website it is the same animal.
You have had the father for over 8 years... (back then your name was still Damon Heynen) and yet you only have pictures of the same snake.

If you want to prove that this is a proven trait and that you have all the animals, you should have taken pictures of all of them together.

But as we know...... it is another one of your "sales ploy". In other words nothing but a lie.

Don't answer the door. The tax man cometh for thee

How so? Fine. You not seeing it is not a scam. It is either blindness, ignorance or wishful thinking.

All you saw was a name issue.
You conviniently did not see his lying and cheating and THREATENING and other CRIMINAL ways.

Go buy from him if you want. Better hurry though.

I have a feeling he might be going away to the big house soon.

SCAM -n. A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.

you are right. He could not have scammed anyone. He did not have a fraudulent business scheme. Because he is not a real business.

If you bought from me only because I lied and convinced you I was some big time breeder, what would you call that?

Nevermind. We are arguing about the word scam. How about this..... he is a bad bad bad boy who threatens girls over the internet and does nothing but lie. There I did not say he was a scammer.

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Originally Posted by Ritchie

How so? Fine. You not seeing it is not a scam. It is either blindness, ignorance or wishful thinking.

All you saw was a name issue.
You conviniently did not see his lying and cheating and THREATENING and other CRIMINAL ways.

Go buy from him if you want. Better hurry though.

I have a feeling he might be going away to the big house soon.

SCAM -n. A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle.

you are right. He could not have scammed anyone. He did not have a fraudulent business scheme. Because he is not a real business.

If you bought from me only because I lied and convinced you I was some big time breeder, what would you call that?

Nevermind. We are arguing about the word scam. How about this..... he is a bad bad bad boy who threatens girls over the internet and does nothing but lie. There I did not say he was a scammer.

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I agree.

Anywho, maybe it's better that this negative subject is dropped? I understand and know of his 'badness' but we are rid of him, just as many other forums out there. So can't we drop the subject and move on?

I mean.. really it all just comes down to us looking out for eachother and protecting eachother from problems that shouldn't happen.. personally I find it very noble of this forum that we stick together as much as we do in this type of situation. Even with a few people who disagree here and there, it's pretty exceptional.

Banned and gone, lets look to the future shall we? :]

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Originally Posted by blackcrystal22

Banned and gone, lets look to the future shall we? :]

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ditto

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Originally Posted by crystal

ditto

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Amen

Sorry for all the negativity. See ya guys around.

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Originally Posted by Ritchie

How so? Fine. You not seeing it is not a scam. It is either blindness, ignorance or wishful thinking.

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None of the above for $500 please.

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Go buy from him if you want. Better hurry though.

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I'm actually dealing with only balls right now, no room for the big stuff I want.

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If you bought from me only because I lied and convinced you I was some big time breeder, what would you call that?

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Well I can't say you have anything that interests me, but I would call that a 'LIE'

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Nevermind. We are arguing about the word scam. How about this..... he is a bad bad bad boy who threatens girls over the internet and does nothing but lie. There I did not say he was a scammer.

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I think everybody flexes their internet muscles once in a while. Such as an argument I had on YouTube, I gave the guy my name, address, city, state, zip, phone number, etc. and told him to look me up if he comes to Chicago. Of course he was coming to Chicago early this month to watch a baseball game. I never got a single phone call or anything. When it comes down to it, 90%+ of internet 'tough guys' are cowards.

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Originally Posted by RKO

I gave the guy my name, address, city, state, zip, phone number, etc. and told him to look me up if he comes to Chicago. Of course he was coming to Chicago early this month to watch a baseball game. I never got a single phone call or anything. When it comes down to it, 90%+ of internet 'tough guys' are cowards.

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What does this have to do with the fact that you are practically alone in not seeing this creep for what he really is?

You don't think so, great.

Mounds of evidence and his own words say he is. Some of us agree with this. Also great.

Oh look, over there, what's that?

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Originally Posted by wilomn

What does this have to do with the fact that you are practically alone in not seeing this creep for what he really is?

You don't think so, great.

Mounds of evidence and his own words say he is. Some of us agree with this. Also great.

Oh look, over there, what's that?

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Just about everybody snaps and makes threats and whatnot over the internet. Why, because they are just trying to scare you, know you wont do anything but get upset and they enjoy it and do it behind the comfort of their computer. Mostly cowards.

SO, by threatening a girl he was trying to get an edge at the mental level. And he will not do anything. If the people I encountered over forums were not hiding behind their screens, I probably wouldn't have survived Daytona because I have received so many threats. But NOTHING happened. I know this because at one time, when I was like 15, I use to be an 'internet tough guy'. I know how it works.

Rob, you seem to support or defend every scumbag in the industry. What's up with that?

High End Herps
Allen Belcher
Joe Capone

Did I miss any?

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Originally Posted by RKO

Just about everybody snaps and makes threats and whatnot over the internet. Why, because they are just trying to scare you, know you wont do anything but get upset and they enjoy it and do it behind the comfort of their computer. Mostly cowards.

SO, by threatening a girl he was trying to get an edge at the mental level. And he will not do anything. If the people I encountered over forums were not hiding behind their screens, I probably wouldn't have survived Daytona because I have received so many threats. But NOTHING happened. I know this because at one time, when I was like 15, I use to be an 'internet tough guy'. I know how it works.

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Ahhhhhh I see now. Because YOU were all bluff and bluster, because no one has socked YOU in the mouth, yet, then all threats made online are worthless as you have said you were/are.

So then, to sum up, nothing you say is to be believed because you are on the internet or is it because you simply don't have the spinal fortitude to back up what you say?

Some of us, whether in person or online or even on the phone and in letters, actually mean exactly what we say.

It's a shame those of you who feel that lying is acceptable don't understand that it really isn't.

But hey, I'm not you dad, thank all there is for that, and it's not up to me to make sure you're a good guy. It is, however, up to me to point it out when you're aligning yourself with scumsucking turds.

What is your fascination with those anyway?

No, don't answer. Not only do I truly NOT care but I truly don't even want to know. You just go right on as you have been.

I'll do the same.

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Originally Posted by wilomn

Ahhhhhh I see now. Because YOU were all bluff and bluster, because no one has socked YOU in the mouth, yet, then all threats made online are worthless as you have said you were/are.

So then, to sum up, nothing you say is to be believed because you are on the internet or is it because you simply don't have the spinal fortitude to back up what you say?

Some of us, whether in person or online or even on the phone and in letters, actually mean exactly what we say.

It's a shame those of you who feel that lying is acceptable don't understand that it really isn't.

But hey, I'm not you dad, thank all there is for that, and it's not up to me to make sure you're a good guy. It is, however, up to me to point it out when you're aligning yourself with scumsucking turds.

What is your fascination with those anyway?

No, don't answer. Not only do I truly NOT care but I truly don't even want to know. You just go right on as you have been.

I'll do the same.

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Show me one person who has made a threat over an internet forum about harming or killing someone and has capitalized on it.

I'm glad your not my dad as well. Would have killed myself.

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Originally Posted by RKO

Show me one person who has made a threat over an internet forum about harming or killing someone and has capitalized on it.

I'm glad your not my dad as well. Would have killed myself.

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good luck finding any... victim's rights laws has them all removed if traced to any incident of substance. but yes... many people do receive very valid threats over the internet. Just because the majority of them are just hot-air, does not mean they should be taken any less seriously.

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Originally Posted by Gooseman

good luck finding any... victim's rights laws has them all removed if traced to any incident of substance. but yes... many people do receive very valid threats over the internet. Just because the majority of them are just hot-air, does not mean they should be taken any less seriously.

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I believe if someone had said they were going to do something, and did it, they would come back to the forums with some remarks such as "hey tony danza, why dont you tell everybody about our little confrontation, or lack thereof, at the show"

I don't even pay attention to internet bluffers anymore. I've received threats from people right here in Chicago about having my house burnt down, or having my dogs killed. I tell them they're more than welcomed to try whatever they want. Still... nothing.

This may be a stretch, but I'd highly doubt any responsible forum owner would allow such threats/boasts to be made publicly on their site. Said comments would be removed from the public eye and the one making the comments severely reprimanded if not banned. Just a guess. ;)

EDIT- That's assuming assault charges weren't filed... then that's public record.

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Originally Posted by Gooseman

This may be a stretch, but I'd highly doubt any responsible forum owner would allow such threats/boasts to be made publicly on their site. Said comments would be removed from the public eye and the one making the comments severely reprimanded if not banned. Just a guess. ;)

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Depends on the forum. Some will just point you out to forum rules. Others will remove your posts. Some let it fly. Some have certain forums where you can play 'Who's Got the Biggest Internet Guns'.

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Originally Posted by RKO

Show me one person who has made a threat over an internet forum about harming or killing someone and has capitalized on it.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6059726.stm


dr del

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Originally Posted by dr del

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6059726.stm


dr del

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Gotta love his weapon of choice. Who uses a pickaxe handle? :gj:

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Gotta love his weapon of choice. Who uses a pickaxe handle? :gj:

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That's poetry right there...:rockon:

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Originally Posted by cassandra

That's poetry right there...:rockon:

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Let's try again then...Haiku?

The pickaxe hits hard

this isn't what al gore planned

best to watch one's self

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Originally Posted by dr del

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6059726.stm


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Hm, I'd say that sure proves a point.

Also, my good ole' ex-stepsister of lovely ville had an interesting incident. You can say it's bull, but I really don't care.
We used to live in Aurora but on the Southern side, which was bordering everything else and wasn't a bad area. She went to a 'party' on the West Side (bad area) once where some guy had apparently made a threat to someone else over the internet.
The other guy showed up with a baseball bat, beating his head into the concrete.
Of course, my step-sis did nothing which she was told by my mother was a VERY bad idea if police showed up as she would be prosecuted as well.

Lots of internet stories with her. You know all those '24 year olds met on the internet going to 15 year olds houses and raping them' stories? Those came true in our basement, except it wasn't rape.

I'm so glad to be out of that house.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Let's try again then...Haiku?

The pickaxe hits hard

this isn't what al gore planned

best to watch one's self

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oh yes

snake spammer spews crap.
wes really called him on it.
want pickaxe handle!

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Originally Posted by cassandra

oh yes

snake spammer spews crap.
wes really called him on it.
want pickaxe handle!

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i love haiku...

splinters from pick axe
are delightful when compared
to high end herps inc.

I think this thread has gone quite far enough off course. Opinions have been expressed and rebutted and the rebuttals have been rebutted ad nauseum until things finally derailed into haikus about ax handles. None of that really helps anyone make an informed opinion about the legitimacy of HEH....and it certainly does nothing to help keep our BPnet grounds clear of litter. ;)

If someone has some direct experience with HEH that they want to share, then that's fine.