Interesting Craigslist ad

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Originally Posted by Brimstone111888

I don't understand how behavior DOESN'T influence the decision. Regardless if it is "not a domestic animal", if the man is not willing to risk his life caring for this thing or the two other people he says he needs, what else is he expected to do if he can't rehome it? There is a difference between an agressive ball python and a 250+ lb monster and saying behavior at that size doesn't play a role is ludacris imo.

Don't bother with he shouldn't have got it in the first place. He probably shouldn't, but he obviously felt like he could tame it and had enough experience.

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Your still missing my point.

If an animal is aggressive, does that automatically make it chum?


Now, if he were unable to rehome after exhausting all leads, then euthanasia is a viable option because he can no longer or doesnt want to care for it. I don't think the animals behavior is enough to condemn him right off the bat.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Your still missing my point.

If an animal is aggressive, does that automatically make it chum?


I don't think the animals behavior is enough to condemn him right off the bat.

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Not saying its chum, but it is hardly a rare practice to cull aggressive animals (hell we still cull aggressive humans) and the size of the animal definitly plays a roll.

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Now, if he were unable to rehome after exhausting all leads, then euthanasia is a viable option because he can no longer or doesnt want to care for it.

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Thats what we have been talking about. The guy obivously doesn't want the snake and he can't keep it. To the non euthanasia people what do you suggest he do with it, pending he surprisingly can't find a home for a 22 foot aggressive snake? To me there is only one responsible option.

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Originally Posted by Brimstone111888

Thats what we have been talking about. The guy obivously doesn't want the snake and he can't keep it. To the non euthanasia people what do you suggest he do with it, pending he surprisingly can't find a home for a 22 foot aggressive snake? To me there is only one responsible option.

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Um, he should deal with it. He's an experienced retic keeper and has a subdivided basement. He's already been dealing with it for the better part of a decade. He needs to just deal with it until someone takes it. Someone will eventually take it..... at the end of the day, it's a free breeder size (probably) female.

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Originally Posted by ncbloods

Um, he should deal with it. He's an experienced retic keeper and has a subdivided basement. He's already been dealing with it for the better part of a decade. He needs to just deal with it until someone takes it. Someone will eventually take it..... at the end of the day, it's a free breeder size (probably) female.

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I honestly don't have any idea what i'm talking about, but maybe the snake just needs some lovin' :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

Hmmmm, Re-read, and came up with this, straight out of this thread...Now, Where were we again? Oh...maybe you should "read a little better" ;) There is more than a single quote...looks more like a half a dozen. Some judging his mentality, or capabilities. Others just being rude. Now you tell me where they've owned any giants, and how many. How many have they raised to the size in question...How many have you?...

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and not ONE of these quotes were rude nor mean toward the man.

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

Now tell me who the snake bit, other than the owner? Your comparing two completely different scenarios here. The snake isn't wandering the neighborhood biting people out of nowhere.....

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If it was would you then be agreeable to euthanize it? How many people would it need to bite? What if they were invited guests in the guys house and the snake bit them? Would it then be ok to put it down? Because that's what they would do to a dog...

The scenarios might be different but the catalyst that effects the decision is the same. We're talking a potentially dangerous animal that can kill someone. Be it dog or snake. The only difference between the two is that a zoo might take a dangerous snake, but they sure the hell wouldn't take a dangerous dog, nor should they.

So what your saying is, we should treat snakes like dogs and have the same expectations? Sure sounds like your saying that.

Snakes should be in a secure cage, more so dangerous ones. They can't be trained, shouldn't be expected to behave, and should always be given the upmost respect in concerns to them being wild and ultimately unpredictable.

Dogs are trainable and allowed to live with humans. They are expected to behave and not harm anyone. We shower them with affection and truly view them as companions and members of the family.

Do you see the differences?

Utlimately, snakes are not companion animals, aren't "played with" and don't share our living space as their home like domestic animals. The animals behavior can be dealt with by the experienced people qualified and willing to do so.

No, this animal is NOT for everyone, so why should we expect to judge it as such? it's not a dog, it's not allowed to roam with us, it's not being let loose. Where does the aggressive behavior of the snake REALLY come into play?

Whoever takes on the snake will know full well what to expect, and more than likely know how to handle it. This snake sounds to me like any wild caught large specimen. Yet, someone managed to "deal" with them now didn't they?

I think the point is though-- what is the definition of aggressive? Is a snake aggressive if it has a strong feeding response and nails a person? Is a dog aggressive if it defends its food and bites a person? We define aggressive as 'humans getting hurt'. Well, very often humans get hurt through mishandling and through ignorance of the nature of the animal. That does NOT mean the animal is behaving in an aberrant way. It means the human needs to be smarter.

So, it is not sufficient to say "Is the snake aggressive? Then he shoudl be culled." There are a lot of factors. Could the snake behave differently in different circumstances? Maybe. We don't know. Is the snake's behavior unusual for the species? Is there a way to handle him in a way that is safe for humans?

See, I think euthanizing IS responsible for dogs, cats, horses, and snakes if the owner exhausts the effort to care for and find a suitable home. But I really hate when people label any animal as aggressive or put human values on an animal's behavior when that behavior is part of what that animal IS.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

So what your saying is, we should treat snakes like dogs and have the same expectations? Sure sounds like your saying that.

Snakes should be in a secure cage, more so dangerous ones. They can't be trained, shouldn't be expected to behave, and should always be given the upmost respect in concerns to them being wild and ultimately unpredictable.

Dogs are trainable and allowed to live with humans. They are expected to behave and not harm anyone. We shower them with affection and truly view them as companions and members of the family.

Do you see the differences?

Utlimately, snakes are not companion animals, aren't "played with" and don't share our living space as their home like domestic animals. The animals behavior can be dealt with by the experienced people qualified and willing to do so.

No, this animal is NOT for everyone, so why should we expect to judge it as such? it's not a dog, it's not allowed to roam with us, it's not being let loose. Where does the aggressive behavior of the snake REALLY come into play?

Whoever takes on the snake will know full well what to expect, and more than likely know how to handle it. This snake sounds to me like any wild caught large specimen. Yet, someone managed to "deal" with them now didn't they?

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An animal is an animal is an animal. It doesn't matter what kind of animal it is. When it is a danger to PEOPLE not other animals, not itself, not plants but to PEOPLE then it needs to be put down. Period. There is absolutely NO room for discussion or debate on the matter. Don't agree? Then tell me why when there's any type of an animal that is known to show ANY kind of aggression towards humans animal control shows up and kills it. They don't stun it, they don't tranq it. They don't scare it off. They kill it.

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I have tried since it was a baby to calm it down and it is just never going to happen.

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There goes the idea of a large wild-caught specimen. It is an animal that simply isn't going to be domesticated. You can't take a risk with it. Put it down and move on. That's the only sane option. The guy who posted the ad clearly sounds like he knows what he was doing EXCEPT for the fact that he's trying to find it a home on Craig's List.

And I don't know where you get this idea that dogs are expected not to harm anyone. They are still wild animals. It's buried, but set them loose away from people and watch how long it takes them to turn into beasts. Not long at all.

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Originally Posted by ZinniaZ

I think the point is though-- what is the definition of aggressive? Is a snake aggressive if it has a strong feeding response and nails a person? Is a dog aggressive if it defends its food and bites a person? We define aggressive as 'humans getting hurt'. Well, very often humans get hurt through mishandling and through ignorance of the nature of the animal. That does NOT mean the animal is behaving in an aberrant way. It means the human needs to be smarter.

So, it is not sufficient to say "Is the snake aggressive? Then he shoudl be culled." There are a lot of factors. Could the snake behave differently in different circumstances? Maybe. We don't know. Is the snake's behavior unusual for the species? Is there a way to handle him in a way that is safe for humans?

See, I think euthanizing IS responsible for dogs, cats, horses, and snakes if the owner exhausts the effort to care for and find a suitable home. But I really hate when people label any animal as aggressive or put human values on an animal's behavior when that behavior is part of what that animal IS.

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When you start advertising your large aggressive reticulated python on Craig's List I'd say you've probably exhausted all efforts to find it a suitable home.

You're right, animals are aggressive. That's why they are animals. That's not even the issue. I've dealt with lots of aggressive animals, but there comes a point and time when you have to honestly say not only is the animal aggressive, but it is also dangerous to human life.

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Originally Posted by bsd13

You're right, animals are aggressive. That's why they are animals. That's not even the issue. I've dealt with lots of aggressive animals, but there comes a point and time when you have to honestly say not only is the animal aggressive, but it is also dangerous to human life.

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That is not what I am saying. I am saying that we label as aggression-- normal behavior in some animals. WE call it aggression because we are not managing the animal's care and handling. All animals should NOT be put down for aggression. Often a change in management and handling will FIX the so-called aggression.

There is a line for aggressive behavior. If an animal cannot be safely handled by an experienced, educated, well trained person SAFELY, then the animal may need to be euthanized. But I'd bet 90% of the 'aggressive' dogs are nto actually aggressive.

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Originally Posted by bsd13

If it was would you then be agreeable to euthanize it? How many people would it need to bite? What if they were invited guests in the guys house and the snake bit them? Would it then be ok to put it down? Because that's what they would do to a dog...

The scenarios might be different but the catalyst that effects the decision is the same. We're talking a potentially dangerous animal that can kill someone. Be it dog or snake. The only difference between the two is that a zoo might take a dangerous snake, but they sure the hell wouldn't take a dangerous dog, nor should they.

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I'll tell you what...I have been bitten by more than my fair share of animals. My 17 foot female almost killed me lasy year when she got ahold of my thigh. Was she euthanized? No. Why? Because it is my responsibility as the keeper to follow all safety measures, and in the event something does happen, I am to understand that it is MY fault. These animals weren't asked to be brought into captivity. This is what separates an experienced giant keeper from a newb. Now please, what are your experiences with giant reptiles to be commenting in the way you are?...

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Originally Posted by FIEND_FO_LYFE

and not ONE of these quotes were rude nor mean toward the man.

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YES they were. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to say....but heh, kids know everything now a days, I guess.....

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Originally Posted by bsd13

An animal is an animal is an animal. It doesn't matter what kind of animal it is. When it is a danger to PEOPLE not other animals, not itself, not plants but to PEOPLE then it needs to be put down. Period. There is absolutely NO room for discussion or debate on the matter. Don't agree? Then tell me why when there's any type of an animal that is known to show ANY kind of aggression towards humans animal control shows up and kills it. They don't stun it, they don't tranq it. They don't scare it off. They kill it.

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Did you READ what you just wrote??? LOL

Now we have to put down all animals that are a danger to humans? Wow, we better get started, that's a mighty long list! Pretty much, everything.

But yes, shadow a person working for the SPCA or animal control. People do get bit, and a lot of rehabbers try to work with the animals (esp dogs) instead of immediately euthanizing.

Wild animals found in populated areas are often relocated. I can't think of one instance where it's an instant kill without attempts at capture.

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There goes the idea of a large wild-caught specimen. It is an animal that simply isn't going to be domesticated. You can't take a risk with it. Put it down and move on. That's the only sane option. The guy who posted the ad clearly sounds like he knows what he was doing EXCEPT for the fact that he's trying to find it a home on Craig's List.

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Sooo, now we have to put down all WC animals if they aren't domesticated? What snakes ARE domesticated???:confused:

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And I don't know where you get this idea that dogs are expected not to harm anyone. They are still wild animals. It's buried, but set them loose away from people and watch how long it takes them to turn into beasts. Not long at all.

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Do you expect your dog that lives with you to bite you at any moment? That's not what my dog was trained to do. He's a part of a pack mentality, and I'm the alpha.



You've really taken this off into another tangent that I really cannot apply any sort of logic to.

All I can say is heaven forbid your snakes, or any pet whatsoever tags you.

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Originally Posted by ZinniaZ

That is not what I am saying. I am saying that we label as aggression-- normal behavior in some animals. WE call it aggression because we are not managing the animal's care and handling. All animals should NOT be put down for aggression. Often a change in management and handling will FIX the so-called aggression.

There is a line for aggressive behavior. If an animal cannot be safely handled by an experienced, educated, well trained person SAFELY, then the animal may need to be euthanized. But I'd bet 90% of the 'aggressive' dogs are nto actually aggressive.

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Aggression in animals is basically any act that is meant to intimidate or injure that is not predatory.

If a dog has attacked a person without provocation then it is generally put down immediately -- however if an "aggressive" dog is seized or turned over to the humane society or a shelter -- it is usually given some time for socialization (if possible) before it is determined whether they are suitable for adoption or should be put down. TLC goes a long way -- but often times the behavior is so ingrained there is little that can be done and the limited amount of knowledgeable foster care, time and funds to work with these animals as well as the liability should something happen far outweighs the hope that maybe one day .... :please:

Now turn that into a 20 foot snake and you've got even more issues weighing against it.

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

I'll tell you what...I have been bitten by more than my fair share of animals. My 17 foot female almost killed me lasy year when she got ahold of my thigh. Was she euthanized? No. Why? Because it is my responsibility as the keeper to follow all safety measures, and in the event something does happen, I am to understand that it is MY fault. These animals weren't asked to be brought into captivity. This is what separates an experienced giant keeper from a newb. Now please, what are your experiences with giant reptiles to be commenting in the way you are?...

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You missed the point. By a mile. What your animal does to YOU (or any other owner/keeper) isn't an issue. If you get killed by your snake and it is your own stupidity that does it "oh well". If however your animal is a danger to other people for whatever reason and you can't find it a suitable home it's time to put it down. If you can find an appropriate home, great! Don't put it down, there's no reason for it. But when your search has led you to the dregs of Craig's List I'd say your options have come pretty close to running out.

My experience comes from rehabilitating wild animals more than giant reptiles. I've had a run in with a few but never been concerned for my life with any snakes. I have however been on the wrong end of some teeth and claws one of which was a cougar that we had been rehabbing for almost 16 months from a cub.

Was it my fault I got attacked? Absolutely it was. Did I pay for it? Yeah I did. Did the animal pay for it? With it's life. And believe me it wasn't an easy choice to make but fact of the matter is that we had a supervisory board who recognized that the cat was aggressive and there was no way ANYONE could be expected to handle it and we couldn't take the chance that it wouldn't go right back into town among people.

I realize snakes and cats aren't the same thing. And I realize a cat is a lot more likely to be territorial, but you can't take the risk either way. That is irresponsible animal ownership. If I chose have a giant snake and it kills me, so what? But if it kills you then there is a problem.

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Did you READ what you just wrote??? LOL

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I'll keep this short and sweet for you. Or at least I'll try.

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Now we have to put down all animals that are a danger to humans?

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Don't put words into my mouth or try to attribute a meaning that isn't there. I'll clarify for you.

Yes. We should put down ALL animals that are a danger to humans.

But wait, there's more too it than that. We should put down ALL individual animals that clearly show a trend of either aggression towards people and/or have maimed or killed a person. And don't start the "well what if my neighbors toy poodle bites me and I need a stitch?" because you know what I mean.

And thanks I've done my share of rehabbing. No need to shadow people but perhaps someone else would take you up on your suggestion it's a good experience.

As far as immediate kills. It actually happens quite a bit IF the animals is considered dangerous. Now I don't know about where your from and maybe you folks have a better, more humane way of doing things but where I've been any dangerous animal was killed on site. Dangerous not just to humans but to other animals (especially livestock) as well. So yeah it does happen, unfortunately.

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Sooo, now we have to put down all WC animals if they aren't domesticated? What snakes ARE domesticated???:confused:

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You're confused because you're reading something that isn't there. Nowhere did I even allude to doing such a thing. Even the wildest imagination can't find that in anything I've written here.

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All I can say is heaven forbid your snakes, or any pet whatsoever tags you.

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I get tagged all the time by my pets. So please point out where you've come up with the idea that I advocate putting an animal down for simply biting you. Thanks, because I obviously need to correct that misconception.

One question for you. Are there ANY circumstances you can see killing a snake (or any other animal) because it is known to be dangerous?

And no I don't expect my dog to attack or bite me. I do however respect the fact that it is an animal and just might do that for one reason or another. In the real world the alpha dog(s) are attacked all the time by the others in the pack who are trying to ascend the hierarchy

No go. Called Rich. He has his hands full right now with a 12 foot rescue MAH conda and so he can't take in another animal.

One thing people seem to not grasp is the agressive behavior is pretty common with the large boids. You would not believe how many retics, afrocks, burms, condas that are out there that are just like this retic.
The reach in and pet it on the head type of retic is rare. That is not the norm. Just about any retic is going to go after you if you just reach in. Ever hear the term feeding response? Loosely translated that means the snake will try to rip you a new one as soon as you attempt to take it out. :D
Hooks, helpers, and respect for the snake are what is needed when dealing with these things.

Not everyone can or wants to deal with a snake that wants to kill you if it gets the chance but don't forget, even that "tame" burm can kill you if you drop your guard around it.

Putting it down because it is acting like a retic is not the way to handle it IMO and searching for a qualified new owner (like the guy is doing) is the right thing to do if he no longer wants the snake.

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Now we have to put down all animals that are a danger to humans?

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Don't put words into my mouth or try to attribute a meaning that isn't there. I'll clarify for you.

Yes. We should put down ALL animals that are a danger to humans.

But wait, there's more too it than that. We should put down ALL individual animals that clearly show a trend of either aggression towards people and/or have maimed or killed a person. And don't start the "well what if my neighbors toy poodle bites me and I need a stitch?" because you know what I mean.

And thanks I've done my share of rehabbing. No need to shadow people but perhaps someone else would take you up on your suggestion it's a good experience.

As far as immediate kills. It actually happens quite a bit IF the animals is considered dangerous. Now I don't know about where your from and maybe you folks have a better, more humane way of doing things but where I've been any dangerous animal was killed on site. Dangerous not just to humans but to other animals (especially livestock) as well. So yeah it does happen, unfortunately.

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Well it's nice of you to elaborate, because your last posts sure did cast a black and white ruling. Now at least I know there are exceptions to your rules. How much farther does that gray banding go?

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You're confused because you're reading something that isn't there. Nowhere did I even allude to doing such a thing. Even the wildest imagination can't find that in anything I've written here.

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Yup, confused is the right word. Not much I can discern from your posts other than you are adding addendums. What you had written...

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It is an animal that simply isn't going to be domesticated. You can't take a risk with it. Put it down and move on. That's the only sane option.

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Made it pretty clear that any animal that can't be domesticated must be put down. Because "that's the only sane option."

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I get tagged all the time by my pets. So please point out where you've come up with the idea that I advocate putting an animal down for simply biting you. Thanks, because I obviously need to correct that misconception.

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From right here

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When it is a danger to PEOPLE not other animals, not itself, not plants but to PEOPLE then it needs to be put down. Period. There is absolutely NO room for discussion or debate on the matter.

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So you getting bit isn't a danger? But only when it's the owner? That is odd, your statements before said to ANY human. Glad you clarified that gray line as well...

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One question for you. Are there ANY circumstances you can see killing a snake (or any other animal) because it is known to be dangerous?

And no I don't expect my dog to attack or bite me. I do however respect the fact that it is an animal and just might do that for one reason or another. In the real world the alpha dog(s) are attacked all the time by the others in the pack who are trying to ascend the hierarchy

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So not only do you now state that animals that are dangerous to humans are not ALWAYS being aggressive, but that it is perhaps in their nature?

Can I envision any circumstances on killing a snake because of a perceived danger? Not at the present moment, but neither have I imagined all the circumstances to surround it. I do believe in other reasons to put down animals, but not because the animal is acting like an animal can and will.

So lets not confuse me any more, write what you mean to avoid me coming to my own conclusions.

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Originally Posted by bsd13

I get tagged all the time by my pets.

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Out of curiosity, what animals have you been tagged by?

A large retic bite will require stiches and, as I have experienced, they throw coils as soon as they bite.
Try having a retic wrapping so you are pinned against a column on the metal frame holding the cages while biting into you.
Thankfully I was not alone at the time (it was too large IMO for me to go in the room without someone) and we got the snake off. This was a "tame out of the cage" retic that just decided he wanted to ignore the hook training and go after me halfway out of the cage.

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Originally Posted by bsd13

You missed the point. By a mile. What your animal does to YOU (or any other owner/keeper) isn't an issue. If you get killed by your snake and it is your own stupidity that does it "oh well". If however your animal is a danger to other people for whatever reason and you can't find it a suitable home it's time to put it down. If you can find an appropriate home, great! Don't put it down, there's no reason for it. But when your search has led you to the dregs of Craig's List I'd say your options have come pretty close to running out.

My experience comes from rehabilitating wild animals more than giant reptiles. I've had a run in with a few but never been concerned for my life with any snakes. I have however been on the wrong end of some teeth and claws one of which was a cougar that we had been rehabbing for almost 16 months from a cub.

Was it my fault I got attacked? Absolutely it was. Did I pay for it? Yeah I did. Did the animal pay for it? With it's life. And believe me it wasn't an easy choice to make but fact of the matter is that we had a supervisory board who recognized that the cat was aggressive and there was no way ANYONE could be expected to handle it and we couldn't take the chance that it wouldn't go right back into town among people.

I realize snakes and cats aren't the same thing. And I realize a cat is a lot more likely to be territorial, but you can't take the risk either way. That is irresponsible animal ownership. If I chose have a giant snake and it kills me, so what? But if it kills you then there is a problem.

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Are you serious? You put down a cougar because it was aggressive?

Hell, with that logic we need to put down every carnivore on the planet.

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Originally Posted by bsd13

You missed the point. By a mile. What your animal does to YOU (or any other owner/keeper) isn't an issue. If you get killed by your snake and it is your own stupidity that does it "oh well". If however your animal is a danger to other people for whatever reason and you can't find it a suitable home it's time to put it down. If you can find an appropriate home, great! Don't put it down, there's no reason for it. But when your search has led you to the dregs of Craig's List I'd say your options have come pretty close to running out.

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Obviously you missed the point, by more than a mile. Who said his animal is a danger to others? It's caged, correct? Who said he couldn't find a suitable home for it? Who's to say that Craigslist wasn't one of the first places he had posted? Seems to me like you're jumping to conclusions entirely too fast. Obviously you don't get the nature of the beast, nor the giant market, nor their attitude and general "features"...Your "opinions" speak enough on your experience....

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Originally Posted by bsd13

My experience comes from rehabilitating wild animals more than giant reptiles. I've had a run in with a few but never been concerned for my life with any snakes. I have however been on the wrong end of some teeth and claws one of which was a cougar that we had been rehabbing for almost 16 months from a cub.

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Alright, so you rehabilitate wild animals. And? I've done rescues for almost a decade, bred, raised, sold, and helped when it came to giants. A Cougar is entirely different from a Reticulated Python. How Cougars and Dogs even share many similarities in this is beyond me, but you seem to think different with your "vast" knowledge on them...

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Originally Posted by bsd13

Was it my fault I got attacked? Absolutely it was. Did I pay for it? Yeah I did. Did the animal pay for it? With it's life. And believe me it wasn't an easy choice to make but fact of the matter is that we had a supervisory board who recognized that the cat was aggressive and there was no way ANYONE could be expected to handle it and we couldn't take the chance that it wouldn't go right back into town among people.

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I'll simply tell you this. An aggressive caged dog, or large cat is far more dangerous than an aggressive caged reptile. They're more unpredictable as well.

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Originally Posted by bsd13

I realize snakes and cats aren't the same thing. And I realize a cat is a lot more likely to be territorial, but you can't take the risk either way. That is irresponsible animal ownership. If I chose have a giant snake and it kills me, so what? But if it kills you then there is a problem.

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Now where does it say he is putting others at risk or in danger? Your obviously not getting the point. He listed straight away that this animal is very aggressive, giving a responsible warning. He is not letting it roam around like some mongrel mutt, biting people. If it were stated that the animal were puppy dog tame and it wasn't, things would be different. He gave more than a fair warning on the stipulations to this animal, possible caging needs, and what it is feeding on. I've still yet to see any solid support for your opinion, other than you feel the animal needs euthanized...

the add probably is a lie. #1 two people could not handle a 22 ft angry snake and #2 if he has dealt with this as long as he portrays then were lookin at about 10 years if the snake is 22 ft. there was a 19 ft retic at a shop bout 20 miles from me and it was 14 years old. also isnt the largest snake in the U.S. right now like 24 ft? HE LIES!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by andwhy6

the add probably is a lie. #1 two people could not handle a 22 ft angry snake and #2 if he has dealt with this as long as he portrays then were lookin at about 10 years if the snake is 22 ft. there was a 19 ft retic at a shop bout 20 miles from me and it was 14 years old. also isnt the largest snake in the U.S. right now like 24 ft? HE LIES!!!!!!

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There are quite a handful of large 20-22' Retics. His statement on length could be a guess, since the animal is aggressive. Most hit their peak size around 8 years old, and continue to grow slowly over their life after that... 2 people could handle an animal that size. It varies upon their size and strength, the animals size and strength, as well as girth... Every animal grows at different rates. Look at what he's said he feeds it. The animals metabolism would allow it to handle those frequent large meals, and allow for that kind of growth. With giants, food & background genetics play a big role in growth and adult size...

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

There are quite a handful of large 20-22' Retics. His statement on length could be a guess, since the animal is aggressive. Most hit their peak size around 8 years old, and continue to grow slowly over their life after that... 2 people could handle an animal that size. It varies upon their size and strength, the animals size and strength, as well as girth... Every animal grows at different rates. Look at what he's said he feeds it. The animals metabolism would allow it to handle those frequent large meals, and allow for that kind of growth. With giants, food & background genetics play a big role in growth and adult size...

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oh yeah he did say he was feeding it a pig a week. hmmmm well this is an everlasting argument. hopefully the snake goes to a good home and no one of importance hears bout this. he should just go to florida and let it go... JK JK JK JK haha :rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by ncbloods

Are you serious? You put down a cougar because it was aggressive?

Hell, with that logic we need to put down every carnivore on the planet.

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That's pretty much standard operating procedure when it comes to cougar attacks. Game wardens track it down and kill it with a rifle. It's not really anything to be surprised about. Spend some time reading some news stories about cougar attacks that have happened in California for example. Almost always, particularly recently, the authorities have tracked it down and shot the animal.

And no I didn't put down a cougar because it was aggressive. My bosses put down a cougar because it was aggressive. But I agree with their decision.

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

Obviously you missed the point, by more than a mile. Who said his animal is a danger to others? It's caged, correct? Who said he couldn't find a suitable home for it? Who's to say that Craigslist wasn't one of the first places he had posted? Seems to me like you're jumping to conclusions entirely too fast. Obviously you don't get the nature of the beast, nor the giant market, nor their attitude and general "features"...Your "opinions" speak enough on your experience....


Alright, so you rehabilitate wild animals. And? I've done rescues for almost a decade, bred, raised, sold, and helped when it came to giants. A Cougar is entirely different from a Reticulated Python. How Cougars and Dogs even share many similarities in this is beyond me, but you seem to think different with your "vast" knowledge on them...

I'll simply tell you this. An aggressive caged dog, or large cat is far more dangerous than an aggressive caged reptile. They're more unpredictable as well.


Now where does it say he is putting others at risk or in danger? Your obviously not getting the point. He listed straight away that this animal is very aggressive, giving a responsible warning. He is not letting it roam around like some mongrel mutt, biting people. If it were stated that the animal were puppy dog tame and it wasn't, things would be different. He gave more than a fair warning on the stipulations to this animal, possible caging needs, and what it is feeding on. I've still yet to see any solid support for your opinion, other than you feel the animal needs euthanized...

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We'll simply agree to disagree on the matter. I'll just say that my opinion comes from the information that was presented in the first post of this thread. That being

"a large, aggressive snake that an experienced owner can't handle needs a new home."

That's what I got out of reading the first post. You might read it differently, but from what I see that's what it says.

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

YES they were. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to say....but heh, kids know everything now a days, I guess.....

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kids?
sorry to say, your 21...
its really not like you have a whole lot on me...
im not saying IM right, or YOUR wrong.
im saying...
PEOPLE, IN GENERAL NEED TO LIGHTEN UP.

take it or leave it.
it never was a debait.

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Originally Posted by bsd13

We'll simply agree to disagree on the matter. I'll just say that my opinion comes from the information that was presented in the first post of this thread. That being

"a large, aggressive snake that an experienced owner can't handle needs a new home."

That's what I got out of reading the first post. You might read it differently, but from what I see that's what it says.

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You can agree to disagree, but with that comment in mind....where do you have the experience with large boids to comment in that manner, and base your opinions on that? Like I've stated before, he could be offering it for a number of reasons. Maybe he has too many males? Maybe he needs to free some space for up and coming clutches? Who knows....if you don't, why agree it needs euthanized?....It's very ridiculous in my opinion. That I am basing on my experience....

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Originally Posted by FIEND_FO_LYFE

kids?
sorry to say, your 21...
its really not like you have a whole lot on me...
im not saying IM right, or YOUR wrong.
im saying...
PEOPLE, IN GENERAL NEED TO LIGHTEN UP.

take it or leave it.
it never was a debait.

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I'm 21, your 16. I've served in the military and now work union construction....not much for a kid myself..You own 2 snakes, where as I've been in this hobby since before I've been a teenager. Your point being? I gave you quotes when you asked for them. They were negative towards the individual that had the ad up. Seems you jumped into this thread to argue, just for the sake of arguing....

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

I'm 21, your 16. I've served in the military and now work union construction....not much for a kid myself..You own 2 snakes, where as I've been in this hobby since before I've been a teenager. Your point being? I gave you quotes when you asked for them. They were negative towards the individual that had the ad up. Seems you jumped into this thread to argue, just for the sake of arguing....

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wow you know nothing about me...

i own 8 snakes.
count with me now...
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8!

had 9.
but we lost one in a rescue.

second im 17.
and thank you for serving.

third, again im not arguing.
and forth, i never "jumped in"
i was looking at this thread, like you or anyone else did, and commented.

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

You can agree to disagree, but with that comment in mind....where do you have the experience with large boids to comment in that manner, and base your opinions on that? Like I've stated before, he could be offering it for a number of reasons. Maybe he has too many males? Maybe he needs to free some space for up and coming clutches? Who knows....if you don't, why agree it needs euthanized?....It's very ridiculous in my opinion. That I am basing on my experience....

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It seems I wasn't as clear as I should have been...

We're done discussing the issue. It's not up for debate any longer between us. I have no need to spend my time in a pissing match with anyone. You don't agree with my opinion and I don't agree with yours. It doesn't get any simpler than that. No need to waste our time on it anymore.

And no you haven't won it's just not worth my time at this point. Everyone knows my position on it. I don't need to defend it any more than I already have.

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Originally Posted by FIEND_FO_LYFE

wow you know nothing about me...

i own 8 snakes.
count with me now...
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8!

had 9.
but we lost one in a rescue.

second im 17.
and thank you for serving.

third, again im not arguing.
and forth, i never "jumped in"
i was looking at this thread, like you or anyone else did, and commented.

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Wow, thats a big collection :rolleyes: That whole year makes a big difference, doesn't it.... And yes you did. You jumped in, accusing me of being rude to other members etc etc etc...might want to re-read. What else have you added to this thread? Again, it looks as though you've jumped in for the sake of arguing...

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

Wow, thats a big collection :rolleyes: That whole year makes a big difference, doesn't it.... And yes you did. You jumped in, accusing me of being rude to other members etc etc etc...might want to re-read. What else have you added to this thread? Again, it looks as though you've jumped in for the sake of arguing...

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even though it may look like that.
thats not why i said lighten up people...

seriously...

get over it.
dont try to keep replying, im done.
this is just a immature little game.
and again, lighten up.

I find that funny coming from a kid who believes he knows all, when he was handed information right to him, quote by quote, and still failed to see the point. You'll learn the hard way, I'll tell you that...

This is a good reason for your age to be called into question here - this is probably the rudest thing I've ever seen posted on this site

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Originally Posted by edie

This is a good reason for your age to be called into question here - this is probably the rudest thing I've ever seen posted on this site

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sorry if it seemed rude, if you watch the movie clerks 2 you would know what im talking about...
its nothing rude, it was just a joke...

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Originally Posted by FIEND_FO_LYFE

sorry if it seemed rude, if you watch the movie clerks 2 you would know what im talking about...
its nothing rude, it was just a joke...

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I've seen it, and found no humor in that at all....

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

I've seen it, and found no humor in that at all....

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AND AGAIN, THATS BECAUSE YOUR A UPTIGHT PERSON WHO NEEDS A CHILL PILL.

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Originally Posted by FIEND_FO_LYFE

sorry if it seemed rude, if you watch the movie clerks 2 you would know what im talking about...
its nothing rude, it was just a joke...

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Even if it was just a joke (which just seems like a sorry excuse to cover yourself) then you need to understand there is a difference between saying a joke between friends in person and flat out posting some obscure quote to someone online (and an offensive one at that).

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Originally Posted by FIEND_FO_LYFE

AND AGAIN, THATS BECAUSE YOUR A UPTIGHT PERSON WHO NEEDS A CHILL PILL.

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Far from uptight. If you knew me, you'd know better. You came into this thread, basically poking the stick at me, calling me rude. What did you honestly have to contribute to this thread, other than telling me I'm rude and too "uptight"?

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

Far from uptight. If you knew me, you'd know better. You came into this thread, basically poking the stick at me, calling me rude. What did you honestly have to contribute to this thread, other than telling me I'm rude and too "uptight"?

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accually i never stated anything TOWARD you untill you started saying things toward me.
go read my first post...
i never said anything about you, or any specific person,
you just jumped to conclusions.

like you still are.

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Originally Posted by FIEND_FO_LYFE

accually i never stated anything TOWARD you untill you started saying things toward me.
go read my first post...
i never said anything about you, or any specific person,
you just jumped to conclusions.

like you still are.

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No I am not jumping to conclusions. Here is your first post, adding to what lizardofozz had said to me. It was directed towards me, as was his/hers. Anything else to twist up?...

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Originally Posted by FIEND_FO_LYFE

i agree with liz of oz...

lighten up.
seriously...
im kind of sick and tired of people like this who think that we really are taking everything so serious.

if you cant take a joke or see any humor or any good...

you really shouldnt be on here.
people like that need to go chill and watch some family guy lol

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So people like this?... Who else would that have been directed at? Like I said, it looks like you jumped in to argue, just for the sake of arguing...

Just want to point out, there is a world of difference between the ages of 16 and 21. Once your 21, you'll understand. I know it may not seem like it now, and you may have 21 year old friends that you hang out with, but YES it is.

16 is worlds apart from 21, just like 21 is nothing like 26 etc.... For some more than others and the experiences during those times.

But isn't that the same old story? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

Just want to point out, there is a world of difference between the ages of 16 and 21. Once your 21, you'll understand. I know it may not seem like it now, and you may have 21 year old friends that you hang out with, but YES it is.

16 is worlds apart from 21, just like 21 is nothing like 26 etc.... For some more than others and the experiences during those times.

But isn't that the same old story? :rolleyes:

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I will tell all the flame combatants to chill out ;)

Because if there's anything a 19 year old is an expert at, it's chillin out!

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Originally Posted by LizardofOzz

I will tell all the flame combatants to chill out ;)

Because if there's anything a 19 year old is an expert at, it's chillin out!

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Forreal, you just got to stop fighting.. same with a 20 year old :D
But hey, "i mean, come on" guys can't we all get along?

It's a giant snake, if someone wants it, like a zoo, or a keeper who wants a breeder, they will get it

If no one wants it, he will most likely keep it, he seems like a responsible owner... hence the basement divided up into 3 sections yadayadayada

If he's lying, then why are you getting all worked up over it??? it's just a guy offering a FREE snake? why would he lie about giving someone a giant aggressive snake if: A. it was free and B: it was aggressive
if anything he would want to give someone a giant snake that was calm so he could extort them for all the money they would want to pay...:rolleye2: I don't even know... but hey, just IMHO :rolleyes:

haha

wait for it...

wait for it...

wait...



MEOW.

please dont argue my point of view when i say this, its just my view,
and fel free to post yours, but

i personally feel, no matter what age, if your 17 or 21 or 56
you should be able to not let stupid things like someone telling you to chill, make you argue with the person...

just my opinion.

and if anyone has a problem toward what i say, or anyone else... dont blow up so stupid arguements happen, because as you can see, no matter how stupid this whole arguement seems, we kept doing it...

because we both got a little upset toward each other, which never should have happened because we are all here for the same thing...


any one agree with that?

I h8 u


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Oh nd erm, back on topic... is there anybody here who would take that snake, had they lived closer or something?

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Originally Posted by LizardofOzz

I h8 u


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Oh nd erm, back on topic... is there anybody here who would take that snake, had they lived closer or something?

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:cool: i love you.
:rofl:

Btw arguing points of view is one of the main things forums provide....