big daddy's wholesale

Now Allen is asking me who to contact to get access here :rolleyes:.This is getting unreal :P

I dont think admin is on right now....

Hi,

No none of the admins are on at the moment but if he contacts any member of staff we can leave a request so that it gets taken care of as soon as any of them come online.


dr del

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Hi,

No none of the admins are on at the moment but if he contacts any member of staff we can leave a request so that it gets taken care of as soon as any of them come online.


dr del

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Well there you go :gj:.I did tell him to contact you by the way did he?

Hi,

Yes he just did - Hopefully someone should be on soon to get this sorted for you all.


dr del

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Hi,

Yes he just did - Hopefully someone should be on soon to get this sorted for you all.


dr del

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Derek i thank you :gj:

but honestly, why would he go through all this trouble, for years, if he wasnt doin somethin right.

IBD kills in a month just like you said joe. if he had it, would all his ish be dead?

The pics are nice and all... especially of that little Burm... unfortunately inclusion bodies don't march around reptile rooms holding signs annoucning their presence. Just saying.

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but honestly, why would he go through all this trouble, for years, if he wasnt doin somethin right.

IBD kills in a month just like you said joe. if he had it, would all his ish be dead?

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It's possible that there is no longer any IBD present in his current collection. The problem is he lied about it before, even though animals purchased directly from his facility tested positive for it. He said he had proof that there was no IBD in his collection but didn't post any evidence. You'd think if he had time to take all those pics off a whim he could have posted some lab results?

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It's possible that there is no longer any IBD present in his current collection. The problem is he lied about it before, even though animals purchased directly from his facility tested positive for it. He said he had proof that there was no IBD in his collection but didn't post any evidence. You'd think if he had time to take all those pics off a whim he could have posted some lab results?

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You would think so, yes, UNLESS you knew he was a lying scumbag.

Then you would not be at all surprised at his behaviour.

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Originally Posted by Rapture

It's possible that there is no longer any IBD present in his current collection. The problem is he lied about it before, even though animals purchased directly from his facility tested positive for it. He said he had proof that there was no IBD in his collection but didn't post any evidence. You'd think if he had time to take all those pics off a whim he could have posted some lab results?

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agreed. I dont know...just sayin

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but honestly, why would he go through all this trouble, for years, if he wasnt doin somethin right.

IBD kills in a month just like you said joe. if he had it, would all his ish be dead?

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Pat he might be keeping his stuff clean now but his lies about having IBD in his collection is still wrong.

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Originally Posted by Rapture

The pics are nice and all... especially of that little Burm... unfortunately inclusion bodies don't march around reptile rooms holding signs annoucning their presence. Just saying.

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Agreed

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Originally Posted by Rapture

It's possible that there is no longer any IBD present in his current collection. The problem is he lied about it before, even though animals purchased directly from his facility tested positive for it. He said he had proof that there was no IBD in his collection but didn't post any evidence. You'd think if he had time to take all those pics off a whim he could have posted some lab results?

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Thank you!

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You would think so, yes, UNLESS you knew he was a lying scumbag.

Then you would not be at all surprised at his behaviour.

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Agreed also

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agreed. I dont know...just sayin

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Pat he thinks if he gets a few trusting people like yourself to believe him that everyone is out to get him.Then he can sale his snakes.I will be right back with a link from fauna that has a direct email from myself to Allen that shows he is full of it.

Ok here is the link to that thread and the email is in post 744.I also posted this threads info over on fauna ;). http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...&page=149&pp=5

wow, i finally finished readin the whole fauna thread....

now i do not know u at all and im not basing what i say on the pics, but more on just what u said and some of ur responses to alot of the questions.


the pictures that were stated in the beginnin of the thread is not what concerns me, its how u contradicted urself over alot of the posts, and the manner at which u had handled them...

now u keep tellin everyone to come see ur place and have a look for themselves, but many people have asked for poof of the vet stating that ur collection was clear of IBD and u said u have it but never produced it... many people asked over and over again...

my question would be why wouldnt u just post the vet doc ?

wouldnt it of been alot easier to clear ur name and to prove all these people wrong with a simple post ?

I'm going to jump in here as well....

He is still a liar and a theif. He has for sale, posted, a pair of albino labyrinth, and albino Burmese Pythons. He's selling them as a new morph, when they are not. They are posted as "lavendar fader yada yada albino's". The thing with baby albino Burms is, when they first hatch, they have a lavendar tint to them, that fades as they grow. Some have a more pronounced color than others. Unless he imported a brand new morph in from SE Asia, its still just a T- Albino Burmese, from the same line that has been around since the 80's. As well as that, the Fader Burmese Python NEVER proved genetic; so where did he get a genetic Fader?... Hence, he is trying to scam someone, or rip someone off. If you do not understand what I mean about the lavendar tint on baby albino Burms, I will attempt to get ahold of Jim Mason, or Mike Wilbanks to get some postable information.

Here is his ad.-
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=7&de=583783

And here are two screen shots in case he decides to pull his ads-
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...2/bigdaddy.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...bigdaddy_2.jpg

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wow, i finally finished readin the whole fauna thread....

now i do not know u at all and im not basing what i say on the pics, but more on just what u said and some of ur responses to alot of the questions.


the pictures that were stated in the beginnin of the thread is not what concerns me, its how u contradicted urself over alot of the posts, and the manner at which u had handled them...

now u keep tellin everyone to come see ur place and have a look for themselves, but many people have asked for poof of the vet stating that ur collection was clear of IBD and u said u have it but never produced it... many people asked over and over again...

my question would be why wouldnt u just post the vet doc ?

wouldnt it of been alot easier to clear ur name and to prove all these people wrong with a simple post ?

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Well if he was innocent he would have posted the results.I will point out something once again.He says his college did BLOOD work on his snakes but you can ONLY prove IBD from a neocropsy from a DEAD snake ;).So how is it possible his buddies proved otherwise :confused:

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I'm going to jump in here as well....

He is still a liar and a theif. He has for sale, posted, a pair of albino labyrinth, and albino Burmese Pythons. He's selling them as a new morph, when they are not. They are posted as "lavendar fader yada yada albino's". The thing with baby albino Burms is, when they first hatch, they have a lavendar tint to them, that fades as they grow. Some have a more pronounced color than others. Unless he imported a brand new morph in from SE Asia, its still just a T- Albino Burmese, from the same line that has been around since the 80's. As well as that, the Fader Burmese Python NEVER proved genetic; so where did he get a genetic Fader?... Hence, he is trying to scam someone, or rip someone off. If you do not understand what I mean about the lavendar tint on baby albino Burms, I will attempt to get ahold of Jim Mason, or Mike Wilbanks to get some postable information.

Here is his ad.-
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=7&de=583783

And here are two screen shots in case he decides to pull his ads-
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...2/bigdaddy.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...bigdaddy_2.jpg

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Well its no surprise :mad:.Great catch Andrew :gj:

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Well if he was innocent he would have posted the results.I will point out something once again.He says his college did BLOOD work on his snakes but you can ONLY prove IBD from a neocropsy from a DEAD snake ;).So how is it possible his buddies proved otherwise :confused:
:gj:

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lol i know why he has never posted it :P

i was just waitin to hear his "side" of the story.... :rolleyes:

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Well its no surprise :mad:.Great catch Andrew :gj:

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Now to see what his argument is, based on my posting, Joe ;) This is the same thing High End Herps pulled, with their "Lavendar Albino Granite" Burmese Pythons....:rofl:

For those of you thinking about buying one of those...just buy a nice, HEALTHY, properly represented animal from an established, and renowned breeder ;) That and it'll cost you about $7,350 less :rofl:

Just so Allen knows where this thread is i sent him a pm :P.

I cannot wait to see his reply Joe.

I was hoping that Allen would post on this thread! Agreed Andrew, this should be interesting!

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I was hoping that Allen would post on this thread! Agreed Andrew, this should be interesting!

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He has responded a couple times but once Wes asked him a question he left :P.

Yeah i saw that, I hope he responds now though.

See, what bothers me...

If he's cleaned up his act, and his animals...those cages are still a filthy. They look like they were just spot cleaned 'a bit' before the pictures or something to try and pull a "good guy" move. That and, if he is the honest joe shmoe breeder that he's claiming he is; why is he trying to scam someone with the "Lavendar albino fader burmese python whatchamacallit" :8:

One thing that puzzles me is he invited me down to "look" at his collection to see everything for myself.Now i might know some things about reptiles but i wonder how i could see IBD :rolleyes:.He also wants his local dog pound to be there,who cares if his dogs have up to date shots :rofl:.I just might take him up on his offer still ;).

I love the smell of a liar in the mornin'...

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I love the smell of a liar in the mornin'...

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You love the smell of bull poo :weirdface :O :rofl:

Let me try again in allen speak:

buc buc buckaww

buc buc bucbukaww buc buc

buckaww buckaww buc buc buc

lol, i wonder why he isnt commin on here, i thought at least he would of liked to explain his self

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Well As promised I got pics. I have to say, his place looks cleaner than my snake room right now.

(admins I have his permission to do this)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81.../albinoboa.jpg
Smeared pooh on inside of cage ??
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...lincubator.jpg
Is that urate in the back right corner of a bin with a $20K Lavy? it's wet and yellow..
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81.../beehetlav.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81.../bigretics.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...insulation.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...bluebeauty.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...urmesewall.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...lbinoretic.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...man/hondos.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...ubatorroom.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...largecages.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...bbyburmese.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...fincubator.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...ubatorroom.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...facilities.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...stelybfire.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...prettypied.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...man/snakes.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...nincubator.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y81...thicbrooks.jpg


all were taken today with a Kodak cx7430 I can tell by the image tag.

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Hold the fort, did know one notice that there is smeared defecation on the wall of the cage in the very first pic? The Lavender Albino Retic is sitting in a cage were the glass is smeared with blood, mucus and god knows what else?? Did know one person notice any of this and these are new pics??? Look in the neodesha cages and you will see dirty glass and also dirty plastic.. I use the same cages and I wash my glass every couple of months but it stays pretty clean except if an animal has a respiratory or is breeding, you will see sperm plugs smeared across the glass from retics and boas but I still scrape or wash the glass even when that happens..

The cages are not as dirty as they were in the fauna post but they are still dirty, I would think with the collection you have that you'd be more on top of things then this. I have been at breeder's houses and seen some immaculately clean cages and not just because I was showing up..

As a breeder when you put yourself in the public eye you need clean as if TV camera's are going to show up at anytime...Look at how BHB handles there massive collection. It's one thing to spot clean once a weak and dump bedding but I don't think you even do this as often as you say, some of that aspen is slightly grey which means more then a week in a bin. Fresh aspen from nepco or Harlan looks more white but there are specs of yellowed aspen. From the cut of your aspen I would guess your using Nepco?? The newspaper looks clean but anyone that uses newspaper knows that it gets nasty if even the water bowl gets spilled on it but you seem on top of that in these pics.

ok, so now that i have looked at the pics in greater detail i circled a few things that caught my eye.... so im hopin u will come on here and answer these few questions...


what is all over the walls ??
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...inoboacopy.jpg

is that poop on the side of the cage ?? and whats that other thing ?
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../beehetlav.jpg

that newpaper does not look clean... the one above it looks like fresh paper, but what would u call this ?? and whats that white stuff behind the snake ?
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../bigretics.jpg

Now this pic deff spoke for its self... look around the edge of the cage, that is just plan gross.. i would not call that clean
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...lbinoretic.jpg

is that a piece of shed back there ?? and that bowl doesnt look too clean....
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...all/hondos.jpg

now, this lil guy is on aspen.... so my guess would be that is poop on the side ??
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...stelybfire.jpg

ok this one took me a while to guess what the thing stickin out at the end of the water bowl... to me it kinda looks like the butt and tail of a mouse, but i could be very wrong... its just what it looked like to me... and whats all the other stuff ??
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...prettypied.jpg

ok, and this is another one that looks like theres a dead rat in the back on the bottom pic.. like i said, i can be wrong, but this is just what it looks like to me.... and whats on the walls of the one above that guy ??
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...all/snakes.jpg

and in this pic, let alone that the water bowl is dirty, but the lid to that bin looks like its covered in filth... let alone that the newpapers are dirty
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...thicbrooks.jpg



ok, yes, this is me pickin apart ur pics that u provided..
so now i was wonderin if u could please explain to me what are all of these things that i have pointed out..

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KS allows people with no real world experience to basically read then regurgitate information shared to them through other forums and even KS forums. It is easy to appear like an expert over there and for that matter just about anywhere it is only through true longevity that real experience is learned and earned. Many of the Honorable people that had plausible information have been driven away from KS and it has been left with a lot of BS artists. There are real breeders that take the time to post pics but there is only so many times these same breeders answer the same questions day after day but this is were the problem lays.

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Umm.... did you mean to quote me? I have no clue how this is pertinent to my quote... :confused: Am I missing something??

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Hold the fort, did know one notice that there is smeared defecation on the wall of the cage in the very first pic? The Lavender Albino Retic is sitting in a cage were the glass is smeared with blood, mucus and god knows what else?? Did know one person notice any of this and these are new pics??? Look in the neodesha cages and you will see dirty glass and also dirty plastic.. I use the same cages and I wash my glass every couple of months but it stays pretty clean except if an animal has a respiratory or is breeding, you will see sperm plugs smeared across the glass from retics and boas but I still scrape or wash the glass even when that happens..

The cages are not as dirty as they were in the fauna post but they are still dirty, I would think with the collection you have that you'd be more on top of things then this. I have been at breeder's houses and seen some immaculately clean cages and not just because I was showing up..

As a breeder when you put yourself in the public eye you need clean as if TV camera's are going to show up at anytime...Look at how BHB handles there massive collection. It's one thing to spot clean once a weak and dump bedding but I don't think you even do this as often as you say, some of that aspen is slightly grey which means more then a week in a bin. Fresh aspen from nepco or Harlan looks more white but there are specs of yellowed aspen. From the cut of your aspen I would guess your using Nepco?? The newspaper looks clean but anyone that uses newspaper knows that it gets nasty if even the water bowl gets spilled on it but you seem on top of that in these pics.

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Nice catch :gj:

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Originally Posted by babygerl3094

ok, so now that i have looked at the pics in greater detail i circled a few things that caught my eye.... so im hopin u will come on here and answer these few questions...


what is all over the walls ??
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...inoboacopy.jpg

is that poop on the side of the cage ?? and whats that other thing ?
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../beehetlav.jpg

that newpaper does not look clean... the one above it looks like fresh paper, but what would u call this ?? and whats that white stuff behind the snake ?
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1.../bigretics.jpg

Now this pic deff spoke for its self... look around the edge of the cage, that is just plan gross.. i would not call that clean
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...lbinoretic.jpg

is that a piece of shed back there ?? and that bowl doesnt look too clean....
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...all/hondos.jpg

now, this lil guy is on aspen.... so my guess would be that is poop on the side ??
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...stelybfire.jpg

ok this one took me a while to guess what the thing stickin out at the end of the water bowl... to me it kinda looks like the butt and tail of a mouse, but i could be very wrong... its just what it looked like to me... and whats all the other stuff ??
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...prettypied.jpg

ok, and this is another one that looks like theres a dead rat in the back on the bottom pic.. like i said, i can be wrong, but this is just what it looks like to me.... and whats on the walls of the one above that guy ??
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...all/snakes.jpg

and in this pic, let alone that the water bowl is dirty, but the lid to that bin looks like its covered in filth... let alone that the newpapers are dirty
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...thicbrooks.jpg



ok, yes, this is me pickin apart ur pics that u provided..
so now i was wonderin if u could please explain to me what are all of these things that i have pointed out..

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My god you must have bionic eyes :rofl:.Great catches though :gj:

Well Allen was here at 8:38ish.I wonder why he never replied here :rolleyes:

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Well Allen was here at 8:38ish.I wonder why he never replied here :rolleyes:

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buc buc buckaww arrgghh buc buc buc

buckaww buckaww buc buc

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Let me try again in allen speak:

buc buc buckaww

buc buc bucbukaww buc buc

buckaww buckaww buc buc buc

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always wondered how to type that!

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Well Allen was here at 8:38ish.I wonder why he never replied here :rolleyes:

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What could he possibly say now, he sent the pics to Pat so maybe Pat doctored the pics and put the pooh in them.

Damn Pat you are really good a photoshop and I didn't realize you wanted Allen to look so bad... What you have done to him with these obviously doctored pics is slanderous...
:colbert:

Just kidding kid Pat....:rofl:

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What could he possibly say now, he sent the pics to Pat so maybe Pat doctored the pics and put the pooh in them.

Damn Pat you are really good a photoshop and I didn't realize you wanted Allen to look so bad... What you have done to him with these obviously doctored pics is slanderous...
:colbert:

Just kidding kid Pat....:rofl:

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:tears::tears::tears:.....jerk



HA!!!!!!!!:rofl:

Just read through this loooong thread. He must know he doesn't stand a chance with this crowd, so why bother. I've seen his ads on KS, I guess a fool and their dollars are easily parted.

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he doesn't stand a chance with this crowd

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We try to please :rofl:.I wonder if he still wants me to come visit :weirdface :rofl:

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I'm going to jump in here as well....

He is still a liar and a theif. He has for sale, posted, a pair of albino labyrinth, and albino Burmese Pythons. He's selling them as a new morph, when they are not. They are posted as "lavendar fader yada yada albino's". The thing with baby albino Burms is, when they first hatch, they have a lavendar tint to them, that fades as they grow. Some have a more pronounced color than others. Unless he imported a brand new morph in from SE Asia, its still just a T- Albino Burmese, from the same line that has been around since the 80's. As well as that, the Fader Burmese Python NEVER proved genetic; so where did he get a genetic Fader?... Hence, he is trying to scam someone, or rip someone off. If you do not understand what I mean about the lavendar tint on baby albino Burms, I will attempt to get ahold of Jim Mason, or Mike Wilbanks to get some postable information.

Here is his ad.-
http://market.kingsnake.com/detail.php?cat=7&de=583783

And here are two screen shots in case he decides to pull his ads-
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...2/bigdaddy.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b2...bigdaddy_2.jpg

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anyone notice that this ad has "expired or been removed"?....hmmmm. Feelin the pressure maybe? I hope so. What a tool.

I don't sit by my computer all day like some. I have been busy today. I built new roads and new fields on my hunting land today and then managed to sell 16 snakes this evening. Let's start here.
I did not avoid this thread. I have stated all the time that I am a computer idiot. So when the thread got moved I could not access it and did not know who or how too. Thanks for the help getting it strait.
Secondly There was only one snake that had IBD. And I am still convienced the snake did not come from me. Check The dates on when the kid bought the snake and when the snake died. The snakes I sold at the philly show where newborns right out of their first shed. Which at most should have made the snake 4-5 weeks old. But the necropsy states the snake is a 6 month old snake. I even called the vet on the paperwork and he verified the snake was much older than 4-5 weeks. I had tests done on one of the snakes I carried to the show and had blood drawn from my boas. All tests were negative. I have said before, I deliver to The University they charge a flat 100.00 for lab results. The doctor does things for me through a student work schedule. It gives the students hands on and I might add that AU is 2nd in the country in their veteranary teachings. Anyway I do not get anything in writing ever... Also you are mistaken about being able to find IBD in bloodwork. Please feel free to contact Pete Kahl personally to verify this statement as well. My proof to you is IBD runs it's full course in Pythons (Balls, Burmese, Retics,ETC) in 28 days tops. I am still in business and thriving. I have over 400 python eggs in the incubator at present and expect to have over 1100 by years end. That's just at this facility, Not including the various breeder loans I have going. There is no way that poorly cared for or sick snakes could be productive and breed successfully year after year. Next comes the selloff or dieoff, Neither is true. I buy out other breeders all the time. This year alone I bought 4 other breeders out. I keep the snakes I want and sell the rest. I am sure you are making reference to the sub-adult and adult snakes that I sold about the time this accusation was posted. If I was selling sick and infected snakes, We would have a major epidemic!!! You need to realize just how many snakes I sell in a year and how many different customers that includes. Not tooting my horn but get REAL! Finally I have added a new facility and a trailer to my business, But I still have the same old building that I started in. Funny how with all my legal problems and diseases and sewer condictions (just quoting others) I continue to grow and breed successfully year after year.
Next topic the lavender albino fader labby burmese. I bought the lavender albinos from over seas. I bought the faders and albino fader from here in the US. This is the first ever produced and say what you want but the guy who put the deal together for me on the lavenders bought 2.1 from me already and flew in and hand picked his. The fader gene is unknown and everyone who responded to the add was told that. I also have a fader to fader breeding in the incubator now and am waiting to see the results of that. I was not expecting to be given props for the snakes just like last season when I was the first to produce the stingerblast BP. Maybe this season will be different though, I have a clutch with a chance for a pastel lesser ghost 5 eggs and another clutch with a graziani line bee breed to an enchi 8 eggs in this one. Only time will tell! For now I will keep doing what I do and you keep doing what you do.
Oh one last thing, I went and took pics with out staging anything. I was not trying to give you a false impression of my facility. And if you think BHB does not go through their containers prior to filming to make sure everything is picture perfect before rolling tape, YOU ARE SILLY!:rofl:
Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

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I don't sit by my computer all day like some. I have been busy today. I built new roads and new fields on my hunting land today and then managed to sell 16 snakes this evening. Let's start here.
I did not avoid this thread. I have stated all the time that I am a computer idiot. So when the thread got moved I could not access it and did not know who or how too. Thanks for the help getting it strait.
Secondly There was only one snake that had IBD. And I am still convienced the snake did not come from me. Check The dates on when the kid bought the snake and when the snake died. The snakes I sold at the philly show where newborns right out of their first shed. Which at most should have made the snake 4-5 weeks old. But the necropsy states the snake is a 6 month old snake. I even called the vet on the paperwork and he verified the snake was much older than 4-5 weeks. I had tests done on one of the snakes I carried to the show and had blood drawn from my boas. All tests were negative. I have said before, I deliver to The University they charge a flat 100.00 for lab results. The doctor does things for me through a student work schedule. It gives the students hands on and I might add that AU is 2nd in the country in their veteranary teachings. Anyway I do not get anything in writing ever... Also you are mistaken about being able to find IBD in bloodwork. Please feel free to contact Pete Kahl personally to verify this statement as well. My proof to you is IBD runs it's full course in Pythons (Balls, Burmese, Retics,ETC) in 28 days tops. I am still in business and thriving. I have over 400 python eggs in the incubator at present and expect to have over 1100 by years end. That's just at this facility, Not including the various breeder loans I have going. There is no way that poorly cared for or sick snakes could be productive and breed successfully year after year. Next comes the selloff or dieoff, Neither is true. I buy out other breeders all the time. This year alone I bought 4 other breeders out. I keep the snakes I want and sell the rest. I am sure you are making reference to the sub-adult and adult snakes that I sold about the time this accusation was posted. If I was selling sick and infected snakes, We would have a major epidemic!!! You need to realize just how many snakes I sell in a year and how many different customers that includes. Not tooting my horn but get REAL! Finally I have added a new facility and a trailer to my business, But I still have the same old building that I started in. Funny how with all my legal problems and diseases and sewer condictions (just quoting others) I continue to grow and breed successfully year after year.
Next topic the lavender albino fader labby burmese. I bought the lavender albinos from over seas. I bought the faders and albino fader from here in the US. This is the first ever produced and say what you want but the guy who put the deal together for me on the lavenders bought 2.1 from me already and flew in and hand picked his. The fader gene is unknown and everyone who responded to the add was told that. I also have a fader to fader breeding in the incubator now and am waiting to see the results of that. I was not expecting to be given props for the snakes just like last season when I was the first to produce the stingerblast BP. Maybe this season will be different though, I have a clutch with a chance for a pastel lesser ghost 5 eggs and another clutch with a graziani line bee breed to an enchi 8 eggs in this one. Only time will tell! For now I will keep doing what I do and you keep doing what you do.
Oh one last thing, I went and took pics with out staging anything. I was not trying to give you a false impression of my facility. And if you think BHB does not go through their containers prior to filming to make sure everything is picture perfect before rolling tape, YOU ARE SILLY!:rofl:
Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

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Allen why did you duck out on answering the question from Wes last night? You were here earlier tonight but said nothing.So basicly its back to the same old excuses you are being picked on huh? You keep saying you are selling snakes left and right but NOBODY has ever come forward with anything positive.Why not? Oh i forgot you ask them to remain silent :rolleyes:.Go get them TJ Hooker :rofl: :rofl:

Allen,

Basically you cages are dirty and it's the kind of grit that takes a while to build up and those pictures show it after all you took them yourself.... I'm sorry but smeared pooh on the inside of a cage can be wiped off if its fresh but that cage looks a bit crusty. Your collection needs better maintnance...

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy

I don't sit by my computer all day like some. I have been busy today. I built new roads and new fields on my hunting land today and then managed to sell 16 snakes this evening. Let's start here.
I did not avoid this thread. I have stated all the time that I am a computer idiot. So when the thread got moved I could not access it and did not know who or how too. Thanks for the help getting it strait.
Secondly There was only one snake that had IBD. And I am still convienced the snake did not come from me. Check The dates on when the kid bought the snake and when the snake died. The snakes I sold at the philly show where newborns right out of their first shed. Which at most should have made the snake 4-5 weeks old. But the necropsy states the snake is a 6 month old snake. I even called the vet on the paperwork and he verified the snake was much older than 4-5 weeks. I had tests done on one of the snakes I carried to the show and had blood drawn from my boas. All tests were negative. I have said before, I deliver to The University they charge a flat 100.00 for lab results. The doctor does things for me through a student work schedule. It gives the students hands on and I might add that AU is 2nd in the country in their veteranary teachings. Anyway I do not get anything in writing ever... Also you are mistaken about being able to find IBD in bloodwork. Please feel free to contact Pete Kahl personally to verify this statement as well. My proof to you is IBD runs it's full course in Pythons (Balls, Burmese, Retics,ETC) in 28 days tops. I am still in business and thriving. I have over 400 python eggs in the incubator at present and expect to have over 1100 by years end. That's just at this facility, Not including the various breeder loans I have going. There is no way that poorly cared for or sick snakes could be productive and breed successfully year after year. Next comes the selloff or dieoff, Neither is true. I buy out other breeders all the time. This year alone I bought 4 other breeders out. I keep the snakes I want and sell the rest. I am sure you are making reference to the sub-adult and adult snakes that I sold about the time this accusation was posted. If I was selling sick and infected snakes, We would have a major epidemic!!! You need to realize just how many snakes I sell in a year and how many different customers that includes. Not tooting my horn but get REAL! Finally I have added a new facility and a trailer to my business, But I still have the same old building that I started in. Funny how with all my legal problems and diseases and sewer condictions (just quoting others) I continue to grow and breed successfully year after year.
Next topic the lavender albino fader labby burmese. I bought the lavender albinos from over seas. I bought the faders and albino fader from here in the US. This is the first ever produced and say what you want but the guy who put the deal together for me on the lavenders bought 2.1 from me already and flew in and hand picked his. The fader gene is unknown and everyone who responded to the add was told that. I also have a fader to fader breeding in the incubator now and am waiting to see the results of that. I was not expecting to be given props for the snakes just like last season when I was the first to produce the stingerblast BP. Maybe this season will be different though, I have a clutch with a chance for a pastel lesser ghost 5 eggs and another clutch with a graziani line bee breed to an enchi 8 eggs in this one. Only time will tell! For now I will keep doing what I do and you keep doing what you do.
Oh one last thing, I went and took pics with out staging anything. I was not trying to give you a false impression of my facility. And if you think BHB does not go through their containers prior to filming to make sure everything is picture perfect before rolling tape, YOU ARE SILLY!:rofl:
Allen Belcher 706-615-4772

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ok, honestly (IMO), this is the same ole story that u have been sayin from the other thread just usin different wordin.... but u are only statin... ur not showin any proof to back up anythin that u say... and to be honest even for a school, and one that teachin non the less, im sure that they can produce the paper work if u asked for it....

now as for BHB maybe ur right, they clean the cages the same day they film, but hey not on anyone of those films have i ever seen poop smeared everywhere or on the side of their cages or dirty cages...they opened their doors for the world to see what they do on a normal basis...and explain what they do each day.. so how can u honestly compare ur upkeep with theirs ??

and u seemed to have avoided all the questions i ask about the pics.. are there any answers for any of them ?

I had no idea there was a blood test for IBD.

Here all this time I thought you either needed to necropsy a dead snake or take a liver biopsy from a living one.

allen, can you site any resource for this blood test?

Oh wait, let me put that in a language you'll understand.

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There ya go.

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Are you people for real. Last month you were on a witchhunt and JNJ was in your sites. I love how you all act so tough behind your computers. You love to criticize and attact people in groups.

Some of you have a BP for 3 weeks and all of a sudden you're experts. This hole Big Daddy Drama is old news GET OVER IT>
If you don't like him, don't buy from him. You love to promote certain BOARD MEMBERS, "for great to buy from" yet they send out snakes with RI's Ticks Mites and other things, YET they are not FLIPPERS so it's all good.

I will not come back to this FORUM-------I have a higher standard then to listen to whining dogs all day long.

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I will not come back to this FORUM-------I have a higher standard then to listen to whining dogs all day long.

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Then leave! Go out and buy from someone that will destroy your already healthy snakes, cant say we didnt try to help;)

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Originally Posted by belvis

OMG!!!!!!!


Are you people for real. Last month you were on a witchhunt and JNJ was in your sites. I love how you all act so tough behind your computers. You love to criticize and attact people in groups.

Some of you have a BP for 3 weeks and all of a sudden you're experts. This hole Big Daddy Drama is old news GET OVER IT>
If you don't like him, don't buy from him. You love to promote certain BOARD MEMBERS, "for great to buy from" yet they send out snakes with RI's Ticks Mites and other things, YET they are not FLIPPERS so it's all good.

I will not come back to this FORUM-------I have a higher standard then to listen to whining dogs all day long.

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Regardless of whether this is old news or not, it still matters. After all, once a liar always a liar, imo. We want to make sure that everyone knows who the bad guys are and who we think they should not buy from. I gurantee you there are new members who did not know about the story with Allen before this thread. I think it is important to get the news out there because what if he does have IBD in his collection still, and he is selling snakes cheaper than the going rate, so someone who doesnt know his past could buy from him and then bring the disease back to their collection, resulting in devastation? Who do we blame then?

WOW_______________send me your masters in biology-----how about---------------------proof-----------you--------know--------what---------your--------talking----about---------------------------------.