Next: Lesser vs Butter

Go with butter, Since i have a butter as well.. I like lesser to0..But lesser seem to many in the market.

I love the lessers just because a butter makes my cholesterol feel like its going up...................:)

i am a lesser kind of guy :)

I've got a butter, so maybe I'm biased, BUT...

I think a very nice lesser is about the same as a very nice butter. I've seen amazing examples of both lines. BUT I've seen many more "bad" lessers than I have "bad" butters. By "bad" I mean extremely dark. Maybe it's just because so many more people are working with the lesser line?

Being the "daddy" of the platty, you would think Ralph Davis prefers the lessers over the butters, but here is what he says on his site:

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The Butter is very similar in appearance to a "Lesser Platty"........BUT..........the Butters have more yellow coloration in their patterns. The yellow becomes stronger as they mature, where the Lesser's yellow becomes " less" as they mature...........the Butter is not to be confused with the "Platinum".

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Well I hope you'd rather want a lesser!:P

Who can tell the difference between a lesser and a butter?


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It is one snake or same snake.. I say that one is a butter.. Why you post pictures of the same snake?

Faced with the same choice, I chose the lesser. This Davis line male is a prolific breeder with a sweet disposition. And, I prefer the creaminess with the muted olive and gold accents to the darker yellows of a butter. It's all personal preference, and there are a lot of color variations in both morphs. Find an animal that you think is spectacular, whether it's a lesser or a butter, and go with it.

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Originally Posted by garweft

LOL.....Those are both the same snake.......look at the pattern again.:P

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Originally Posted by t-Roy

It is one snake or same snake.. I say that one is a butter.. Why you post pictures of the same snake?

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I was wondering if anyone would catch on:P He is in fact my lesser... but the point I was trying to prove is that I think they are the same thing...I just sorta forgot that I made the post so im a little late on anwsering:oops:

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Originally Posted by StickyTongues

I'm gonna have to say the first one is a butter and the second one is a lesser. Although the second pic is just a little darker. Comparing the butters to the lessers I saw in person at the Tinley show, the butter have a darker golden tint to them then the lessers did.

I'm trying to find my darn camera that I've misplaced after the show this weekend otherwise I would snap some pics of the butter male I got from the Bells.

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Originally Posted by ScottyDsntKnow

1st one is the lesser at least thats the way it looks to me at least but sometimes they are so close its impossible to tell.

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Also, what I think it also boils down to, is if your a butter person and look at those two pictures of the same snake... your going to say the nicer of the two pictures is a butter and vice versa if your a lesser person.

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

I was wondering if anyone would catch on:P He is in fact my lesser... but the point I was trying to prove is that I think they are the same thing...I just sorta forgot that I made the post so im a little late on anwsering:oops:

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Also, what I think it also boils down to, is if your a butter person and look at those two pictures of the same snake... your going to say the nicer of the two pictures is a butter and vice versa if your a lesser person.

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hahahahahaha i saw that one coming:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
personally myself i have 1.1 lessers, but butters do seem to hold more yellow than lessers. then again i have seen where you couldnt tell either morph appart.

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Originally Posted by nixer

hahahahahaha i saw that one coming:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
personally myself i have 1.1 lessers, but butters do seem to hold more yellow than lessers. then again i have seen where you couldnt tell either morph appart.

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IDK, I still think that it depends on the baby just like pastels. For all we know is that the imported butter is related to Ralphs Platty daddy... I mean if you think about it in order to get the platty there had to be more lessers out there, and if one of those were later found and called the butter we would never know.

If there was a Lesser/butter in the wild, you wouldnt be able to tell if it was a lesser or butter, I guess if would depend on what the new owner decides to name it.

Hi,

I'd call it a nutter ball. :D

Negative (less than a lesser ) - butter. :rolleye2:

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Why choose? Get BOTH!

Butter for me. How a morph works with OTHER morphs is most important in my opinion when considering a base morph. My Butter breeder male has done well in COMBINATION with other morphs thus far. Here are a couple. :D

Cajun Butter
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...tter_thumb.jpg

Lithium Butter x Cinny
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...rams_thumb.jpg

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Originally Posted by Bill Buchman

Butter for me. How a morph works with OTHER morphs is most important in my opinion when considering a base morph. My Butter breeder male has done well in COMBINATION with other morphs thus far. Here are a couple. :D

Cajun Butter
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...tter_thumb.jpg

Lithium Butter x Cinny
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...rams_thumb.jpg

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A lesser works the same way in the combo area.

they r both co-doms, both produce similar morphs except the butter cost more???? lesser all the way!!!!!

A nice yellow butter is hard to beat IMO.

We have a butter ghost and it is stunning.:cool:

I'd say lesser

:D Lesser is more! I vote lesser!

lesser all the way... make you some pastel lessers... my fav....

I vote butter, because, well, im partial to butters:

http://www.projectpython.com/gallery...butter-0.1.jpg

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Originally Posted by Louis Kirkland

I couldn't decide :juggle: so I got both!!! :D

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:rofl: and that is the way ball python addiction works .:rofl::gj:

they r the same morph lets get real they create the exact same morphs same morph different name.

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Originally Posted by Bill Buchman

Butter for me. How a morph works with OTHER morphs is most important in my opinion when considering a base morph. My Butter breeder male has done well in COMBINATION with other morphs thus far. Here are a couple. :D

Cajun Butter
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...tter_thumb.jpg

Lithium Butter x Cinny
https://ball-pythons.net/gallery/fil...rams_thumb.jpg

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:O:tongue2::gj::gj:

Butter, the looks are worth the extra.

In my opinion they are the same morph.:)

I love them both but I'd pick a butter before I got a lesser. I do think both morphs are related and may even be just different lines of the same mutation.

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Originally Posted by DarkComeSoon

they r the same morph lets get real they create the exact same morphs same morph different name.

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Except that there's a Platty daddy for Lessers... an extra something there genetically with Lessers. But for BELs it's up to what you like. There are great looking examples of both morphs.

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Originally Posted by NorthernRegius.com

Except that there's a Platty daddy for Lessers... an extra something there genetically with Lessers. But for BELs it's up to what you like. There are great looking examples of both morphs.

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You can make platties with Butters as well, but you can't make platties with either of them unless you have a normal looking sib of a platty. That's the only reason there are not hundreds of them already.

In my opinion they are the exact same thing. I also don't see the extra yellow so many people talk about. There are some high yellow butters and there are some high yellow lessers.

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Originally Posted by pfan151

You can make platties with Butters as well, but you can't make platties with either of them unless you have a normal looking sib of a platty. That's the only reason there are not hundreds of them already.

In my opinion they are the exact same thing. I also don't see the extra yellow so many people talk about. There are some high yellow butters and there are some high yellow lessers.

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If so I stand corrected- but I do stand by procuring the best looking animals you like as that's the ultimate acid-test.

I really can't say because I like the butter/lesser bees. O.o;

I am hopnigo t goto the show next month to get one or the other lol.. I can only hope t ofind one ata do able deal. ( i have a heart failure if I can get one of each that bea dream deal.) I may havea mojave befoer the show just waiting on theguy to le me know what he hatches out.

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

I like them both, I would base my decision on a specific animal. There are good and bad of both.

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I couldn't decide so I waited for nice examples... I got a Woma Lesser female & I'm waiting on my Hypo Butter male... just pick the best looking (to you) animal & you'll be happy.

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Originally Posted by soy.lor.n

I'm almost positive lesser is a separate gene, so the only way you can get one is from a mommy or daddy lesser

oh but, I like the green a lot too, so I would say lesser

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Yes it is but to be honest it's really hard to tell a lesser and a butter ! At the tinley show the butters and the lessers looked so much alike i was kinda shocked .

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Originally Posted by Haydenphoto

Yes it is but to be honest it's really hard to tell a lesser and a butter ! At the tinley show the butters and the lessers looked so much alike i was kinda shocked .

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thats because their the same morph, call it different lines if you want.

im not reading all 9 pages, but has anyone already stated this? Theirs examples of each that look pretty close to the same thing. they both make the same super, every combo can look the same using similar looking butter/lesser. there nothing suggesting that they are different morphs, not even diluted versions of the morphs like mojave, phantom, ect.

to answer your poll, look at the animal, not the morph name

Since I own a pair of Lessers I will vote Lessers, BUT I am new to the ball seen and like everything... I have recently seen a Butter Pin and loved it so who knows...

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Originally Posted by OhhWatALoser

thats because their the same morph, call it different lines if you want.

im not reading all 9 pages, but has anyone already stated this? Theirs examples of each that look pretty close to the same thing. they both make the same super, every combo can look the same using similar looking butter/lesser. there nothing suggesting that they are different morphs, not even diluted versions of the morphs like mojave, phantom, ect.

to answer your poll, look at the animal, not the morph name

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I would have to agree :) i just didn't want everybody to jump down my throat for saying it ! ! ! !

It was a hard choise for me too. At the Sacramento show there were lessers that looked like creamy mojaves and some that were similar to butters. In the end I went with a Butter Bee, I already have a yearling Mojave breeding so by the time my Butter Bee is ready I should have a cinny mojave or a mojave yellowbelly male to breed to her.

I also plan on getting a lesser at somepoint, I'd like to breed a lesser to a YB :)

they seem to be very similar but lesser reigns supreme to me!

Butters are less expensive than what some has stated. Ralph Davis was recently selling one for 500. I believe it is posted on the recent availability list he posted to his site. If you ever hope to produce a platty, I would go with a lesser. That is not to say that you will produce one given the fact that the riddle gene is very complex. Besides that, check out Ralphs video on his super bright lesser or butter. Either snake, sure thing. You might want to purchase a female while you're at it. The more lessers/butters/mojaves you have, the more likely you are to produce Bels. Pick up a. Fire and a lemonback

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Originally Posted by lesserlover

If you ever hope to produce a platty, I would go with a lesser. That is not to say that you will produce one given the fact that the riddle gene is very complex.

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What makes you say this? Ralph has even made platties with butters. There is no reason anyone else would specifically need a lesser to get them. I'm convinced something similar can be made with mojaves and Russo hets as well. Also, it is looking more and more like the platty gene is actually not very complicated at all. Randy Remington explained in another thread that it appears to be another mutation allelic to the rest of the Blue-eyed leucistic gene, which is typically hidden, but when paired with one of the other genes from the complex, it results in a sort of hypomelanism. This theory makes a lot of sense if you look at Ralph's breeding records with the platinum gene.

I voted butter but also as many have said think they are the same thing. If you breed a butter to a lesser that look the same what would the non BELs/non normals be?

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Originally Posted by LotsaBalls

I voted butter but also as many have said think they are the same thing. If you breed a butter to a lesser that look the same what would the non BELs/non normals be?

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I've seen them listed as butter/lesser before.

I would say pick the best example of either one you can afford..

same go for either ! Just take the ones you like

I produced the typical buttery look, from a lesser x lesser pairing last year

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@royalpython: nice looking ball ya got there :gj:

hmm...I voted lesser since I'm partial to the lessers. But I also like the coloration of the butters. I'd say go with whatever draws your eye when you have the funds.

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Originally Posted by royalpython

I produced the typical buttery look, from a lesser x lesser pairing last year

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I can't believe it's not butter! :D


sorry...just had to....:P

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Originally Posted by sho220

I can't believe it's not butter! :D


sorry...just had to....:P

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ahahaha nice

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Originally Posted by Beardedragon

Lessers are just lessers;) You cant make them. Butter to mojave would make more bels.

Now... when asking this question I would be a little less biased if I did not have a smokin Hot lesser in one of my tubs BUT... Id say Lesser anyways. Butters are nice, but I just do not like their coloring. The lessers Yellow(which I think makes a Good lesser) is super bright. How can you say no to this?

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Just be careful when picking a Lesser out, there are some pretty cheap/ugly ones out there.

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you know what? i have a butter male that looks EXACTLY like your lesser! check him out!