Help: My spider turn...gray

update
she lock with male pastel again. So that means she's not gravid, right?
http://www.siamreptile.com/webboard/...9427_27401.jpg
Close up
http://www.siamreptile.com/webboard/...9481_27401.jpg

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That has happened a few times before. Go over to Bob Clarks forum and do a search. I think it was late 2004 or 2005 he had a male Spider turn grey like yours. I believe that the Spider stayed that color for some time. I remember seeing it in Daytona and that Spider rocked. He was asking more money for it since it did that. If memory serves me correct it did change back to brown. Your female looks cool. Take some pictures and enjoy her while you can. She is not sick by the way.

Brock

looks almost like the axanthic spider only whiter that would be cool if it stayed that way

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Originally Posted by Brock Wagner

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That has happened a few times before. Go over to Bob Clarks forum and do a search. I think it was late 2004 or 2005 he had a male Spider turn grey like yours. I believe that the Spider stayed that color for some time. I remember seeing it in Daytona and that Spider rocked. He was asking more money for it since it did that. If memory serves me correct it did change back to brown. Your female looks cool. Take some pictures and enjoy her while you can. She is not sick by the way.

Brock

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Brock,
Thanks for posting that. I rememered seeing that Spider in Daytona as well in 2004, but I couldn't remember whose table it was on.

No problem Tim. I remember that male Spider well.

Brock

Yeah, that was Bob Clark who had it happen to a spider, he used to have a pic of it on his web site, I don't know if it's still there or not. I've heard of this happening to old animals, young animals, males or females so I don't think it has anything to do with hormonal changes during breeding. I don't think anybody knows what actually happens. I've heard people say that the shed was preceded by a funny/greasy/waxy stool. Did this happen to you? They often change back to original color, but a few of the ones I've seen developed more melanin and eventually wound up darker.

I suspect that a lot of wild caught axanthics that didn't prove out started out this way.

That is INSANE! pictures pictures pictures!

That is awesome! She was gorgeous before but wow... I don't think I've ever seen a color like that before... it's almost like a ghost... definitely submit some pics to BPOM!

WOW! That's so awesome! :banana:

My pastel recently changed color before her shed...not lighter like you'd expect but a lot darker. Not anything dramatic like that though!

Glad to hear there is nothing wrong. I would have been really worried too.

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Originally Posted by snakelady

WOW! That's so awesome! :banana:

My pastel recently changed color before her shed...not lighter like you'd expect but a lot darker. Not anything dramatic like that though!

Glad to hear there is nothing wrong. I would have been really worried too.

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This is very common, snakes will darken up and look very melanistic before they go blue for a shed. My pastel male looks almost as dark as a normal before a shed. ;)

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Originally Posted by littleindiangirl

This is very common, snakes will darken up and look very melanistic before they go blue for a shed. My pastel male looks almost as dark as a normal before a shed. ;)

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Really? I've not noticed mine getting so much darker before. It's amazing to me how much they change color and it's cool.

that is ridiculous if u dont notice a behivior or eating change i wouldnt worry to much

I had this happen to a normal, she didn't turn all the way grey but the bottom half does look axanthic. My theory is that a batch of rodents I got is to blame. These mice were jumbos but very very fat. I generally feed my balls that are about 400 grams XL or jumbo mice and haven't had a problem until this year. One of my females that had been in a tub had smeared her crisco looking poop all over before I had found her. She didn't look well and it took a long time to completely clean her tub (I put her in a new tub). She died a believe a day after she had shed from the ordeal. I watched the rest that had eaten these mice and most had very smelly greasy stools but didn't have the reaction she had. The female that lost her color had the same issue she didn't look right so I checked on her constantly and put her in a bigger tub so she couldn't smear it all over. She pooped the crisco and went into shed. I was apprehensive if she was going to make it or not. When she shed she had lost half her color but stayed alive. I didn't feed her for 2 weeks after that to make sure she got all of it out of her system. The mice were from a big company that gets their mice from I believe research facilities they were almost as wide as they were long and all of them were black. I do not feed my ball pythons these mice anymore and haven't have any problems since. I think it has to do either with what these mice were being tested with or the fat content. I was told that it is possible these mice were used for diabetes research etc...

My first thought when reading this was that this has to be fake, or its a joke lol... Now im amazed.. I wish mine would do that lol..

That's just insane! :eyepoppin:

Speaking of which can we get an update on this girl. How's her coloration now?

She looks pretty cool like that, tell people she is a axanthic spider.lol:D

Any updates on this girl?

Does this only happen with spiders or other morphs as well? Anybody know?

Hi,

I think the first time I ever saw something like this mentioned it was two normal ball pythons it happened too - but I think it was less extreme and mainly on the top of their backs.

Of course with my memory it could have been a movie of the week. :rolleyes:


dr del

woh thats so cool!

สวัสดี เบิร์ก สไปเดอร์ตัวโคตรใหญ่เลยว่ะ สวยด้วย :gj:

WOW!! That is so awsome! I hope my spider (that I don't have yet, lol), does that! Though, I'll probably forget all about this post and you'll see me on here freakin out, and saying the same stuff with the same replies. lol.

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Originally Posted by barakujang

สวัสดี เบิร์ก สไปเดอร์ตัวโคตรใหญ่เลยว่ะ สวยด้วย :gj:

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And huh? What does that say? lol

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Originally Posted by hgrub

She shed one day after I took the above pic...and here's how she look today when I found her
http://www.siamreptile.com/webboard/...1204976370.jpg

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Holy gorgeous ball python! It's my two favorite morphs in one :O
Axanthic Spider!!!
Only... not?

Man, if she stayed that way, I'd be SO jealous!!
She is GORGEOUS!!
Please somebody -- Make a Axanthic Spider. Please?
PLEASE?!?!
Lol :P

Once again, gorgeous!

I cant say anything on spiders since I dont own one. I do have a female that when shes is gravid. Most females when gravid do some kind of color change. This female turns into some kind of green ghost looking thing. Its not just the glow like the rest of my females. Shes all green now so hoping shes full of eggs. That color change is crazy great looking spider.

Awesome! Great dramatic change.

Any updates?

That is just wicked..! I would caution to call it an axanthic though, unless breeding proved it out. It could just be a nifty color change.. but only future breeding would tell.

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Originally Posted by Venenito_X_Remedito

Please somebody -- Make a Axanthic Spider. Please?
PLEASE?!?!
Lol :P

Once again, gorgeous!

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Request granted. Rick and Rusty of Rusty's Balls made an Axanthic Spider in 2007. It was a beautiful animal. There is a picture of it on Exotics by Nature's website, under the 2007 Tinley Park photo gallery.

I don't know if this was mentioned earlier in this thread, but I just found the stuff below today and I don't feel like re-reading all 8 pages!

The snake is apparently an IMG (increasing melanin gene), based on what I read in the link below. Interesting stuff about attempts to prove out something that does appear genetic, but not in a simple mendelian sort of way, and to make it extra complex, hatchlings look normal until they change later in life.
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/foru...d.php?t=109055

Oddly enough, I found that link when searching for pics of pastel yellowbellies. Obvious connection right? LOL! It came up in one of those "is my snake a morph" threads. This link isn't as interesting but I'll post it in case anyone is curious. It has got to be the most interesting "is my snake a morph" thread I've ever seen!
http://www.redtailboa.net/forums/mis...-question.html

That is amazing. What a change. Looks like you have some bee's coming soon too. Good luck.

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Originally Posted by mischevious21

And huh? What does that say? lol

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That's thai write. He's my friend in thailand :banana:

This is really interesting

Couldn´t this be an hormonal change ? It happens sometime with Green Tree Pythons (Morelia viridis), and I wonder if this could als occur in BP´s.

Take a look of this example, of the very same Sorong-type Morelia viridis (actually, the mother of my little one):

Normal
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1676/damm2bo3.jpg

Hormonal blue
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1894/dammgt6.jpg

Just a thought

I have had this happen to a boa.....she never changed back to normal colors....she just started adding black pigment everywhere....Like a IMG....I do not have her anymore, a friend of mine bought her from me and then sold it, so I don't know where she is now, but when she did her shed she lost all her color just like your spider...........

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Originally Posted by muddoc

Request granted. Rick and Rusty of Rusty's Balls made an Axanthic Spider in 2007. It was a beautiful animal. There is a picture of it on Exotics by Nature's website, under the 2007 Tinley Park photo gallery.

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:O

Holy omg.
*Faints*
They have some BEAUTIFUL animals there.
I love the Axanthic Pinstripe and Spider, and the purple Passion is AMAZING.

I will die a happy snake owner someday if I can ever get and/or produce any of those..... <3

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Originally Posted by Venenito_X_Remedito

:O

Holy omg.
*Faints*
They have some BEAUTIFUL animals there.
I love the Axanthic Pinstripe and Spider, and the purple Passion is AMAZING.

I will die a happy snake owner someday if I can ever get and/or produce any of those..... <3

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Glad I could Oblige. But I don't want to be the cause of our death. LOL.

Ur Ball Python.....IS A CHAMELEON IN DISGUISE!!!!!!! What an amazing color, looks like an axanthic spider!

Can we see updated pictures? The last pic I saw was 5-08, would love to see her now.

I'd want to see too. I had a completely normal snake do this, and she did return to normal after a while. It wasn't quite as drastic, but still pretty obvious. I think the pics are on my old computer though.

Cool she looks like what I hope too produce some day. Xanthic bees. Can you have her email my spider with the secret so mine will change too.:P:gj:

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Originally Posted by hgrub

Dude, there's gonna be two small problems. I'm exactly half the world from you and my wonderful government prohibit exportation of any kind of snake lol

Thanks y'all(especially you, Tim) for every comments, I feel a bit better now. :)

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Oh that sucks!!!! I'd love one from her too!!! :( That color change is amazing! I've always thought spiders had a funky quality to them, but I never thought they could turn gray!!!! Too bad they don't stay that way. That's one gorgeous snake!!!!

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Originally Posted by JoMo

This is really interesting

Couldn´t this be an hormonal change ? It happens sometime with Green Tree Pythons (Morelia viridis), and I wonder if this could als occur in BP´s.

Take a look of this example, of the very same Sorong-type Morelia viridis (actually, the mother of my little one):

Normal
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1676/damm2bo3.jpg

Hormonal blue
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/1894/dammgt6.jpg

Just a thought

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WHOA!!!!! Now that is amazing!!!!

WOW that's awesome looking. I was worried at first but seems like it's something somewhat normal. I think she'll make some beautiful bees for you! She's stunning before and after but man after is HOT...

Updated pic, took the pic a month ago I think.
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/h...hon/spider.jpg

He had to much Pad THai jk .............its looks awsome! suay mak mak!

Wtf! she looks kinda like a paradox now lol. I liked the axanthic look ;)

I like this look just as much if not more. :cool:

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Originally Posted by hgrub

Updated pic, took the pic a month ago I think.
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/h...hon/spider.jpg

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its like a cellphone with different color cases...

WOW! :O the axanthic phase was awesome and the newest phase might be even cooler!

thats such a sweet spider! i liked every look to her