Good New's and Bad New's

Hey folks....there's no need to pick apart every misspoken or misunderstood post. Hotshot has a snake that he's had for ABOUT two years or so...that should be somewhere between three and four years old.

It SOUNDS like he is saying he was told the snake was 1500g when he bought it, but maybe he misspoke that too, or we misunderstood what he was trying to say. Maybe he was told it would be 1500g by now? :confused:

HOTSHOT....you need to chill out bud. You're not the first person to raise up a "female" only to find out later it's actually a male. It happens. Calm down....figure out a way to get the sex confirmed. It's not a life or death emergency....take your time and find someone you trust to give you an accurate answer on the sex of both your snakes.

THEN contact the person you bought it from and see if they will fix their error...if indeed, it turns out to be male.

Cursing on this site and disrepsecting the members and admins will NOT FIX YOUR PROBLEM.....but it may potentially remove you from the single best source of info you're likely to find on how to take care of things with your snakes.

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

who said i spent 2 years on my pastel? zzz??????????????????????????????? my pastel was got for next year for my so called female

so what you're saying is I CAN NOT BUY A FEMALE SNAKE AND FEED HER FOR 2 and a half YEARS AND WAIT TILL 12 MONTHS BEFOR I WANT TO BREED TO BUY A PASTEL? this what you're telling me?

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We are just going by what you are typing.You keep changing your stories and its really hard to understand your game writting.

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Ok have you discussed the mistake and any possible solutions with the breeder you got the mis-sexed animal from??

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No he is just being a smart mouth to members here.

ok 2 years then get a male knowing darn well they sold me a female and ya i just got off the phone with them they told me if its a male its my problem....

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Originally Posted by alopez700

well if u look at the spers on the tale if they point a little inword its a boy if there strate or point outword its a girl.

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That is not necessarily true. The only reliable ways of sexing BPs are probing and sometimes, popping. Although even those methods can yield false results. Spurs are not a good indicator. Both methods are best watched and elarned by an experienced person, and popping is really only advisable in my opinion, on very young hatchlings.

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

i just got off the phone with them they told me if its a male its my problem....

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Who is "them"?

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

ok 2 years then get a male knowing darn well they sold me a female and ya i just got off the phone with them they told me if its a male its my problem....

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A responsible, reputable breeder would never do this to you. Females are generally more expensive than males of the same morph.. sounds like a crappy seller.

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

Who is "them"?

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Yes please tell

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Originally Posted by JLC

Hey folks....there's no need to pick apart every misspoken or misunderstood post. Hotshot has a snake that he's had for ABOUT two years or so...that should be somewhere between three and four years old.

It SOUNDS like he is saying he was told the snake was 1500g when he bought it, but maybe he misspoke that too, or we misunderstood what he was trying to say. Maybe he was told it would be 1500g by now? :confused:

HOTSHOT....you need to chill out bud. You're not the first person to raise up a "female" only to find out later it's actually a male. It happens. Calm down....figure out a way to get the sex confirmed. It's not a life or death emergency....take your time and find someone you trust to give you an accurate answer on the sex of both your snakes.

THEN contact the person you bought it from and see if they will fix their error...if indeed, it turns out to be male.

Cursing on this site and disrepsecting the members and admins will NOT FIX YOUR PROBLEM.....but it may potentially remove you from the single best source of info you're likely to find on how to take care of things with your snakes.

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well said JLC but, they told me I had to get her 1500 g and at the time she was around 400 and I have been feeding her like MAD. I'm 196 with out holding a snake with holding her I'm199 so thats 3LBS and i did the math it's almost 1500g and there saying shes 600g theres no way IMO

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

ok 2 years then get a male knowing darn well they sold me a female and ya i just got off the phone with them they told me if its a male its my problem....

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This can be easily resolved if you have the information showing what they said they sold you with pics of the animals stating male/female, hatch date, sire & dam ect. This information is a no contest fight.

It is your problem in that you didn't get what you paid for but it is their responsibility to make it right.

Who is the breeder you got them from.

It's not a pet store it's a breeder and should know what he's talking about when he says a female. but the other place says shes a male..

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

well said JLC but, they told me I had to get her 1500 g and at the time she was around 400 and I have been feeding her like MAD. I'm 196 with out holding a snake with holding her I'm199 so thats 3LBS and i did the math it's almost 1500g and there saying shes 600g theres no way IMO

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Please do not think this is a accurate way to weigh your snake.Go buy a $30 scale at walmart

A friend of a friend pretty much..

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

I'm 196 with out holding a snake with holding her I'm199 so thats 3LBS and i did the math it's almost 1500g and there saying shes 600g theres no way IMO

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I don't think this is a sufficient way to weigh your snake.

You really need a gram scale.

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

It's not a pet store it's a breeder and should know what he's talking about when he says a female. but the other place says shes a male..

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No one said it was from a pet store :confused:

Who did you get the possible male BP from? I only ask because I've yet to meet a breeder who doesn't know how to pop or probe a snake. I'm not saying there aren't people who breed their snakes out there who don't know how to do this, I'm just saying most breeders need to know how to do this if they are breeding and selling snakes. Also a good breeder will make a wrong back into a right. Last but not least mis sexing a snake happens, it happens to the best of the best breeders out there.

Also I know Target, Walmart, Lowe's Home depot sell pretty good scales that can both weigh lbs and grams. I'd run out and get one of those kind and weight him/her. The way you are doing it is not accurate at all.

What method did they use to sex it? Your other friends who are now telling you it's a male? D

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

A friend of a friend pretty much..

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I think you need to find honest people then ;)

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Originally Posted by nathanledet

I don't think this is a sufficient way to weigh your snake.

You really need a gram scale.

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It's not I understand this also I'm saying on a gram scale shes 600g and a male lol -_- kinda crappy.

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

A friend of a friend pretty much..

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Is this friend of a friend a breeder or just had one for sale and you bought it?? and by breeder I mean breeds and keeps proper records on all the animals and genetic heritage ect?

So, did they tell you it was a male because of the weight? Or did they actually use a reliable method of sexing it?

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

Is this friend of a friend a breeder or just had one for sale and you bought it?? and by breeder I mean breeds and keeps proper records on all the animals and genetic heritage ect?

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breeder he looked at the file and date when the snake was got. marked as female

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

It's not I understand this also I'm saying on a gram scale shes 600g and a male lol -_- kinda crappy.

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Well if she weights one thing on one scales and one thing on another then one of the two scales it wrong. Now which is your best guess. But the animals weight has nothing to do with its sex, is that how they are telling you its a male or female??

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

well said JLC but, they told me I had to get her 1500 g and at the time she was around 400 and I have been feeding her like MAD. I'm 196 with out holding a snake with holding her I'm199 so thats 3LBS and i did the math it's almost 1500g and there saying shes 600g theres no way IMO

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It does sound like a strange discrepancy. Can you get a picture of her with you holding her? Obviously, we can't guess her accurate weight from a picture, but I dare say we could tell the difference between a 600g snake and a 1500g snake.

AND...have you ever had her checked for parasites? It's possible that she may have internal parasites and that would keep her from gaining weight even if she is well fed. And if you got her from a "breeder" who would turn around and give you that kind of attitude at this point in time...it'd be a safe bet to say they might sell imported animals (most likely to have internal parasites) as captive bred.

and i think they popped her and said male.

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Originally Posted by JLC

It does sound like a strange discrepancy. Can you get a picture of her with you holding her? Obviously, we can't guess her accurate weight from a picture, but I dare say we could tell the difference between a 600g snake and a 1500g snake.

AND...have you ever had her checked for parasites? It's possible that she may have internal parasites and that would keep her from gaining weight even if she is well fed. And if you got her from a "breeder" who would turn around and give you that kind of attitude at this point in time...it'd be a safe bet to say they might sell imported animals (most likely to have internal parasites) as captive bred.

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thats the thing tho she dont even look 600g shes huge at the very least 1000g i gotta get a scale :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

breeder he looked at the file and date when the snake was got. marked as female

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If he got it then i am guessing he is not the breeder.

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

and i think they popped her and said male.

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Sometimes large snakes are hard to pop.

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

and i think they popped her and said male.

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Popping in older snakes is super inaccurate unless you are super experienced. Ok heres a really easy way to put all doubt out of your mind. Get you a good scale they cost like 30.00 at Target in the food/kitchen area and weigh her your self and get an accurate weight. Second take the snake and a fresh poop to a reptile vet have them check for internal parasites and sex the snake. Then you will know for sure..And if I were you I wouldn't by so much as a lolly-pop from that friend of a friend again.

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

thats the thing tho she dont even look 600g shes huge at the very least 1000g i gotta get a scale :rolleyes:

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Yes...do so. Get a scale and check for yourself. And get both your snakes to a vet and have them checked out by a professional. Check their sexes (have him SHOW you what he's doing and why he names it male or female....that way you won't have to say, "I THINK he did such and such..." or "He MIGHT have popped it...." And have him check for parasites in both animals.

You've gotten yourself all worked up in a tizzy without having any real trustworthy information to begin with, apparently. As I said earlier...calm down...make a list of the things you should do to get all this sorted out...then start taking those steps. There's no big rush. You've waited this long to grow her up...and they've both still got some growing up to do anyhow. No hurry here...just work things out.

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

thats the thing tho she dont even look 600g shes huge at the very least 1000g i gotta get a scale :rolleyes:

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You can not just look at a snake and get the exact weight ;).

*phone call* Hey man, you remember that Norm you sold me? (Him) *yeah how's she doing?* (ME) fine I just had her in to check for RI and she's only 600 g, I'm gonna have to go buy a scale cuz I dont believe shes 600g only. (him) yes that does not sound right. (me) they also told me she is a male, can you trade me out? after I find out if she really is a male.. (him) NO I DO NOT! take snakes back. (me) then what the heck are you running over there? (him) I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT SNAKE IS A FEMALE!..


and he hung up after that

Since he has had this snake thier has been alot of unknown things happening.I think you should slow down and care for your snake for a decent amount of time before breeding.If you remember this thread you wrote it shows you are not totaly up and up on your husbandry issues yet. http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=58221

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

and i think they popped her and said male.

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Where you there in the room with the person who sexed him/her for you? Popping is totally different them probing. Did they stick a probe up him/her vent? OR did they pop hit?

If they popped him/her then did the snake have the hemipenes come out? Males have hemipenes, females do not. Though it's known the older a male snake gets the better control it can have of it's male parts. Sometimes a male snake can hold it's hemipenes in and the person popping it thinks it's a female. It's always a good idea to go back and pop it again later on just to make sure. Ib your case I'd find a reputable breeder and see if they can probe or pop your snake,

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Originally Posted by joepythons

You can not just look at a snake and get the exact weight ;).

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was just taking my best guess bro:oops:

Can you give this friend of a friends / breeders name?

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

*phone call* Hey man, you remember that Norm you sold me? (Him) *yeah how's she doing?* (ME) fine I just had her in to check for RI and she's only 600 g, I'm gonna have to go buy a scale cuz I dont believe shes 600g only. (him) yes that does not sound right. (me) they also told me she is a male, can you trade me out? after I find out if she really is a male.. (him) NO I DO NOT! take snakes back. (me) then what the heck are you running over there? (him) I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT SNAKE IS A FEMALE!..
and he hung up after that

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Find out first for 100% sure that it is a male by a vet. Then we'll see about helping you go from there until you get it sexed and resexed and you keep getting male you don't really have a leg to stand on with the seller. I know it sucks but you run in to this some times I did bought a female raised it up for a year or two. Dumb me didn't think to sex it and BAM male. Count your self lucky one of our memebers bought a "Female" het pied and all was good till it started producing sperm plugs and was resexed as male.

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Originally Posted by lillyorchid

Where you there in the room with the person who sexed him/her for you? Popping is totally different them probing. Did they stick a probe up him/her vent? OR did they pop hit?

If they popped him/her then did the snake have the hemipenes come out? Males have hemipenes, females do not. Though it's known the older a male snake gets the better control it can have of it's male parts. Sometimes a male snake can hold it's hemipenes in and the person popping it thinks it's a female. It's always a good idea to go back and pop it again later on just to make sure. Ib your case I'd find a reputable breeder and see if they can probe or pop your snake,

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they popped it for sure. I know what probe is and the 1st time it came out the 3rd and 4th nothing so he thinks male ...

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Since he has had this snake thier has been alot of unknown things happening.I think you should slow down and care for your snake for a decent amount of time before breeding.If you remember this thread you wrote it shows you are not totaly up and up on your husbandry issues yet. http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...ad.php?t=58221

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yeah i know bro -_- ne ways if i gotta buy another snake then w.e :) i got my life to deal with snakes :O

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

they popped it for sure. I know what probe is and the 1st time it came out the 3rd and 4th nothing so he thinks male ...

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If they popped it and the "it" that came out was one or two purple-reddish mushroom looking things, then chances are really good that you have a male. Females don't have hemipenes ;)

If this was the person that originally sold you a "female," and have said it is now "your problem," I wouldn't put it past him to attempt to pop the snake again and purposefully NOT evert the hemipenes with you standing right in front of him. Just from reading your posts, I'm guessing that you are young and might have been seen as an easy target for a seller to pull one over on...

Follow the advice given to you, but understand you aren't the first to have this happen to them. Take your business elsewhere from now on and feel free to share with others whom you won't deal with anymore and why.

If it doesn't work out in your favor, chalk it up to experience, learn from it, and move on. If I dwelled on every mistake I had to learn the hard way, I'd be in pretty rough shape.

he just called my back, while I was reading the post and he says, that he can't trade me cuz he has no female norms right now.but would work out a cheap deal for a morph, i said no I dont want to give up my snake just wanted a female from the start now she's grown on me and I cant give her up but I'm not buying any thing els from you.

He mis-sexed an animal and attempts to make good on it by trying to get more money out of you? Classy...

But then again, a year and a half has passed...and I do think that the buyer assumes some liability when purchasing an animal with very little to no sexual dimorphism (clear visible differences between males and females). Sellers/Scammers have trouble being dishonest with educated buyers...you need to do your research ahead of time and know what a female or male looks like when it is popped or probed to make sure you are buying exactly what you're paying for.

yup, found out the hard way. wont happen again:colbert: :rolleyes:

i called a few ppl pet store will probe her so il take them over there i also called a vet and had them set some stuff up for a full check up ;)

Incase you have missed this i will ask again.Who is this breeder/freind of a freind? If this deal goes well or not so well then maybe its a good idea to let everyone know ;).Now do not slam him/her until the time is needed if at all.

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

who said i spent 2 years on my pastel? zzz??????????????????????????????? my pastel was got for next year for my so called female

so what you're saying is I CAN NOT BUY A FEMALE SNAKE AND FEED HER FOR 2 and a half YEARS AND WAIT TILL 12 MONTHS BEFOR I WANT TO BREED TO BUY A PASTEL? this what you're telling me?

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dude....this doesn't even make sense.

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Originally Posted by patthesnakeman

dude....this doesn't even make sense.

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Not much of this makes sense....

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Originally Posted by patthesnakeman

dude....this doesn't even make sense.

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dont worry about it lifes good ;)
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joe I'm not gonna worry tell after I see the vet and get them probed he might be right, but now im banking on a 50/50 and I was never good with luck :rolleyes:

http://www.reptilebasics.com/My-Weig...l-p-16191.html
This is a great scale up to 7000g. I picked it up a few months back it has been great. Id get one. If you plan on breeding your going to need it then anyways. To weigh eggs,babies,Mother after she laid the eggs. If your raising snakes, breeding and all that. One thing you need a good scale. Cant depend on someone else to weigh all your snakes. Also like said before from some of your other post. It sounds like you have alot to learn before even thinking about breeding. Another thing if that snake is only 600g at 2-3 years old. Somethings not right either the scale it was weighed on, or something is going on with the snake. I have a 7 month old male pastel that is already over 600g. I know thats not crazy growth or anything. I know there are 07 ball pythons out there way over that. As far as the breeder goes or any breeder. Anyone you are thinking about getting a snake from you need to check out before you buy. Lots of not so honest people out there. If they see someone they know doesnt know alot about ball pythons. The will try and sell you an albino corn snake, and charge you for an albino ball.

Take the advice that people have given you. There not being idiots or anything. Its hard to help someone that asks a question or for help. Then doesnt like the answer or doesnt want to here that answer. If you want to breed ball pythons, fine great another new person to the hobbie. But you have alot to learn young grasshopper. Before you should even think about breeding. Ive only been breeding for 6 years now. The only thing I know for sure. Is that after 6 years I still dont know all there is to keeping and breeding ball pythons.

yes, I know thats why I'm here 12 months befor I wanna even try :rolleyes:...what I'm thinking somthing wrong with the scale OR my snake has somthing and shes going to the vet...oh and how can a 3-4 year old female be 600g when my 6 month old is 140 lol?

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Originally Posted by Hotshot

oh and how can a 3-4 year old female be 600g when my 6 month old is 140 lol?

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Weigh your snakes accurately. If your snakes are THAT underweight...you're clearly doing something wrong, or you have parasites that are eating your snakes alive.

It can happen it could have some kind of bug. I have an 03 normal female she eats every week small rats. She only weighs 1166g Ive had her to the vet nothings wrong with her. I have her sister too and she is my biggest female at 2549g. I was hoping to breed her this year but still a bit to small for me. I have an 06 female that is only 100g bigger than my 07 male pastel. she has never missed a meal. They are like people (kind of) some grow bigger,faster. Some stay smaller,thinner. There might not be anything wrong with your snake. Could just be small, but then again there could be. Getting it into a good vet will be the only way to tell. Getting a good scale also will help telling if shes 600g or over 1500g. Like asked before can you take a picture of her next to something so we can try and guess the weight. Put her down and set a pop can by her just so we have something to compare her to. Would help us guess her weight. My 600g or even the 700g are thinner than a pop can. If shes bigger than a pop can is round then. I would guess she should be atleast over 1000g.