Can i put 2 male bps in the same tank without problems?

Here's a good analogy to that 250 gallon tank..

Would you rather be naked in a cold, deserted, industrial building with the wind blowing and only a cardboard box to hide in, or would you rather be naked in a warm, small house with a blanket, a heater, sitting in a Lazy Boy?

Give me the lazy boy and heater any day!

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Originally Posted by Greenlover

ok i dont disagree or nything but you guys are saying if i have my 250 gallon set up i cant put 2 female ball pythons in there ??? that it will actually be more benefitial to put them in rubbermaid containers.... :rolleye2:

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Good luck with a decent temperature gradient in a tank that large.... while you're at it...add some free range prey..that would be "benefitial" I bet.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by SatanicIntention

Here's a good analogy to that 250 gallon tank..

Would you rather be naked in a cold, deserted, industrial building with the wind blowing and only a cardboard box to hide in, or would you rather be naked in a warm, small house with a blanket, a heater, sitting in a Lazy Boy?

Give me the lazy boy and heater any day!

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GIVE ME THE BUILDING :banana::banana::banana::banana: YEA BABY!!!!

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Originally Posted by Freakie_frog

GIVE ME THE BUILDING :banana::banana::banana::banana: YEA BABY!!!!

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Do we have a streaker amoung us?

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Originally Posted by West Coast Jungle

Do we have a streaker amoung us?

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LOL! what is the giants , dolphins game............that was only simi-entertaining thing about that game!

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Originally Posted by ksbrneyes30

Well, what i'd like to know is how many of you who so strongly disagree with housing together are actually vets or herpologists. Anyone?

I actually checked with my vet (who sees my snakes on a regular basis) about housing them together ... The response I got was that if they both got through the quarantine period with a clean bill of health he saw nothing wrong with it. His only recommendation regarding the subject was that I should not feed them together in the same tank because of the possibility of them both simultaneously strike at their food and pose a potential problem.

I think I'm going to take the advise on this subject from someone who sees snakes and other reptiles on regular basis. Oh, yeah, did i mention that my vet has 2 BP housed together? He did strongly suggest that I not house more than 2 though. He also recommended that I take them out of their tank individually for brief periods (30 min to an hour) on a daily basis to allow them a seperation to help prevent the potential for possible incident. But like i said before, every creature (snake, lizard, bird, dog, PEOPLE, etc, has the potential to hurt another of it's species. It is the exception - not the rule. I could drown when I go swimming .... just because of the rare possibility of that happening, am I not going to go?

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Wow. You are being very ignorant. College graduate or not. Why ask questions on a board dedicated to Ball Pythons, than when about 20 people give you the exact same opinion, you dismiss it outright. On top of that you pretty much insult the whole community.

Vets study very briefly on animal husbandry. Most of the study is centered around how systems work and more medical things. So getting husbandry advice from a vet is not recommended.

Snakes are not people. They do not go to work every day, they don't need social interaction. Snakes are about as far away from people as you can get, but yet you and countless others keep giving snake human characteristics. They don't like company and they also don't follow around other snakes. They don't come home from a long night of hunting, wanting a beer.

My opinion is with the other 50 or so people that have posted not to house them together.

Good Luck

Hmmmm. before I started getting into ball pythons I bought the
book "The Guide to Owning a Ball Python" by John Coborn.
Now I dont know who he is but on the top of page 19 under the picture he states

"Ball Pythons are quite social animals, and several large or small specimens (though not mixed in size) can
share a sufficiently large cage. They seldom fight, but it is still better to feed each separately to avoid accidents. Most breeders
keep their males and females separately most of the year"

Like I said dont know his qualifications, but he has written a
Poop load of books (58) on reptile care.

http://www.amazon.ca/s?ie=UTF8&searc...0Coborn&page=1

This is just my $.02 and yes I do have 2 juvenile female BP's
housed together for now, and they have been fine.

For those of you who do house together, go for it! Don't listen to the advise these people here are giving you, ignore the fact that there are are lots of people with real experience giving you advice when you asked for it. Forget that the worlds leading experts on snake husbandry disagree with you, and for goodness sake, forget how they live in the wild! Oh, and when something happens to your snakes b/c you cant bother with doing what is best for your animals, PLEASE dont complain here!

ok well i am the one that started this thread.... i am going to house my bp's seperatly and slowly introduce them to each other. they are both males so hopefully no accidents will occur and thanks for the advice. i will see how they do when they get introduced and maybe see how they do for a night in the same tank then gradually keep them in the same tank but thats going to be over a like 6 month period and they will be feed seperatly. thank you for the advice though

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Originally Posted by paingod

Hmmmm. before I started getting into ball pythons I bought the
book "The Guide to Owning a Ball Python" by John Coborn.
Now I dont know who he is but on the top of page 19 under the picture he states

"Ball Pythons are quite social animals, and several large or small specimens (though not mixed in size) can
share a sufficiently large cage. They seldom fight, but it is still better to feed each separately to avoid accidents. Most breeders
keep their males and females separately most of the year"

Like I said dont know his qualifications, but he has written a
Poop load of books (58) on reptile care.

http://www.amazon.ca/s?ie=UTF8&searc...0Coborn&page=1

This is just my $.02 and yes I do have 2 juvenile female BP's
housed together for now, and they have been fine.

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i actually have that book and have found a few wrong 'facts' in it. think of it this way, if he's written 58 other books on reptile care... how can he be an expert on all 59 herps? he's got that much experience with each of these creatures? when i read it, i got the impression that all the info was coming from research- not experience.

like i said before, i noticed a huge difference in both my bp's manners and health immediately after separating them. and that's all i'm going to say on the subject....

WHO on EARTH would willingly house two snakes together that could FIGHT and combat at any hour of the day and injure each other??? People that would really upset me because, though it is not anything I can control, the poor snakes are the ones who have to end up with the poop end of the stick and suffer.

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Originally Posted by catawhat75

For those of you who do house together, go for it! Don't listen to the advise these people here are giving you, ignore the fact that there are are lots of people with real experience giving you advice when you asked for it. Forget that the worlds leading experts on snake husbandry disagree with you, and for goodness sake, forget how they live in the wild! Oh, and when something happens to your snakes b/c you cant bother with doing what is best for your animals, PLEASE dont complain here!

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That is the best post I have read in awhile. Go ahead people, house snakes together. And when your vet bills double (you find poop that is suspicious and don't know who produced it.. ) When one of your snakes develops an RI and the other one has no isolation from it.. when your mis-sexed snakes breed at 500 grams.. have a good time.

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Originally Posted by aksledneck907

ok well i am the one that started this thread.... i am going to house my bp's seperatly and slowly introduce them to each other. they are both males so hopefully no accidents will occur and thanks for the advice. i will see how they do when they get introduced and maybe see how they do for a night in the same tank then gradually keep them in the same tank but thats going to be over a like 6 month period and they will be feed seperatly. thank you for the advice though

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One thing about this kind of post that make me :mad: is when a person ask for advice, and dismiss every single thing that is being said to do what they intended to do to start with anyway.

Why ask when you have no intention to listen? :rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by aksledneck907

ok well i am the one that started this thread.... i am going to house my bp's seperatly and slowly introduce them to each other. they are both males so hopefully no accidents will occur and thanks for the advice. i will see how they do when they get introduced and maybe see how they do for a night in the same tank then gradually keep them in the same tank but thats going to be over a like 6 month period and they will be feed seperatly. thank you for the advice though

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There are species of snake that under the right conditions - can be housed together.

Ball pythons are not one of these species.

Whatever books you have read, or whatever advice you've received to the contrary, is wrong. Please continue to keep them separated.

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Originally Posted by aksledneck907

ok well i am the one that started this thread.... i am going to house my bp's seperatly and slowly introduce them to each other. they are both males so hopefully no accidents will occur and thanks for the advice. i will see how they do when they get introduced and maybe see how they do for a night in the same tank then gradually keep them in the same tank but thats going to be over a like 6 month period and they will be feed seperatly. thank you for the advice though

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WHY??? WHY WHY WHY??? Seriously, WHY did you come up with this conclusion? If you're going to spend the money on separate cages at the get-go, why not just LEAVE THEM THERE!!!!

Did you even READ this thread?

*deep breath, deep breath.... gets up to take a walk*

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Originally Posted by aksledneck907

ok well i am the one that started this thread.... i am going to house my bp's seperatly and slowly introduce them to each other. they are both males so hopefully no accidents will occur and thanks for the advice. i will see how they do when they get introduced and maybe see how they do for a night in the same tank then gradually keep them in the same tank but thats going to be over a like 6 month period and they will be feed seperatly. thank you for the advice though

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I am with Deborah on this. Like she said, why bother to ask if you aren't going to listen??
I haven't said anything in this thread yet, because the majority of everyone that has posted has said what I would've said. That you should not house those BP's together. In my mind, the thoughts of all the things that could happen far outweigh any supposed "benefit" of keeping them together. As keepers of these snakes, we have to do the best thing that we can for them, and the possibilities of stress, domination, one eating the other, possible breeding, etc. from housing together is NOT doing the best that we can.
You talk about introducing them like they are dogs or cats, THEY ARE NOT. And in my mind, if you are going to house them seperately for about 6 months anyway, why change that??
I'll admit that at one time when I was newer with BP's I thought that it would be no problem to house them together, until I started hearing stories about things that go wrong and seeing the pics of what happens when one eats the other and you end up losing BOTH SNAKES. (By the way does anyone know off hand the link to some of those pics??? I try to look for them again in a little bit...maybe that would help here..) BP's live for about 20-30 yrs, are you going to watch them that closely for that long to make sure nothing happens to them?? You may have the thought of mind that those things won't happen to you, that you will watch your snakes much better than that.... but personally I would rather err on the side of caution and do the best that I can for my snakes. I would rather listen to what the bigger keepers/breeders on this forum have to say about housing snakes, seperate enclosures have worked for them extremely well so I'll take their advice and their experience and use it to benefit my snakes anyday.

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Originally Posted by Sunny1

In my mind, the thoughts of all the things that could happen far outweigh any supposed "benefit" of keeping them together.

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You bring up a good topic.

I don't want to hijack the op's thread but it's not like the op is listening anyway.

:rolleyes:

And since there a tons of reasons why NOT to house them together...I have NEVER heard ONE good reason to place them together other than for breeding purposes.

So my question to ANYBODY is...

What are the benefits to housing bp's togther???

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

You bring up a good topic.

I don't want to hijack the op's thread but it's not like the op is listening anyway.

:rolleyes:

And since there a tons of reasons why NOT to house them together...I have NEVER heard ONE good reason to place them together other than for breeding purposes.

So my question to ANYBODY is...

What are the benefits to housing bp's togther???

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For the ball pythons in question: None.

For the owner(s): They get to save a few bucks on caging and heating supplies.

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

For the ball pythons in question: None.

For the owner(s): They get to save a few bucks on caging and heating supplies.

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I knew someone would give that as an answer. ;)

but the question is for BP's...

:)

So far...nothing...

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Originally Posted by tweets_4611

It's just over all not a good idea to house more than one snake together. Pet stores don't ususally have the best husbandry for their animals, and so it's not usually a good idea to go by what they do. They are just trying to sell the animals, not raise them into healthy individuals.

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this is not necessarily true a exotics petstore in crestwood missouri houses all snakes seperate and all of they're animals are quite active the beardies like to climb everywhere and the snakes seem genuinely happy. not *raises head* oh another human *falls asleep*

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

What are the benefits to housing bp's togther???:confused:

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Did you notice I ask the same question (see post 26) and and the few people saying it is ok to house multiple BP in one enclosure have eluded the question :confused:

I guess they still try to come up with an answer.........huh :rolleye2:

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Originally Posted by Skiploder

For the ball pythons in question: None.

For the owner(s): They get to save a few bucks on caging and heating supplies.

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excuse me! thats bs i keep them together because its healthier to heat one cage as opposed to heating two cages in the winter. the fact that you don't get this obviously means that one your a stuck up rich person or two you have money to blow. as for the rest of us we have to pay for some of this stuff out of our own ever decreasing pockets so yes saving a buck or two matters to me you :soapbx:

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Originally Posted by serpents-prey

excuse me! thats bs i keep them together because its healthier to heat one cage as opposed to heating two cages in the winter.

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Please explain.

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the fact that you don't get this obviously means that one your a stuck up rich person or two you have money to blow.

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The fact that you are resorting to name calling and type casting either means (1) you're a child or (2) you have a limited capacity to grasp the debate being discussed in this thread.

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Originally Posted by serpents-prey

as for the rest of us we have to pay for some of this stuff out of our own ever decreasing pockets so yes saving a buck or two matters to me you :soapbx:

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You just stated that it was a "health" issue. Now it appears that it is a money issue.

In other words, my post in which you quoted was essentially correct. Until you can convince us of the health benefit you alluded to, it appears that in your case, you are indeed potentially sacrificing the well being of your animals to save a buck.

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Originally Posted by serpents-prey

excuse me! thats bs i keep them together because its healthier to heat one cage as opposed to heating two cages in the winter. the fact that you don't get this obviously means that one your a stuck up rich person or two you have money to blow. as for the rest of us we have to pay for some of this stuff out of our own ever decreasing pockets so yes saving a buck or two matters to me you :soapbx:

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That is not BS this is true owner housing multiple BP together do not do it to benefit their animals, because there is absolutely no benefit in housing multiple BP together, and your post just prove who the benefits are for........YOU

I would NEVER house my bps together to save a few bucks. I am about as far from rich as you can get, there are times I make sure my animals have food and supplies before myself. Their needs are always met before mine b/c I CHOSE to bring them into my life. What a stupid excuse to use, if you can't afford to take care of them properly (and if you cant afford to heat two tubs, they you CANT afford to keep them!) then DON"T HAVE THEM!

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Originally Posted by GA_Ball_Pythons

Did you notice I ask the same question (see post 26) and and the few people saying it is ok to house multiple BP in one enclosure have eluded the question :confused:

I guess they still try to come up with an answer.........huh :rolleye2:

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yes...and you see what the result is...

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Originally Posted by serpents-prey

excuse me! thats bs i keep them together because its healthier to heat one cage as opposed to heating two cages in the winter. the fact that you don't get this obviously means that one your a stuck up rich person or two you have money to blow. as for the rest of us we have to pay for some of this stuff out of our own ever decreasing pockets so yes saving a buck or two matters to me you :soapbx:

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W...T....F.... are you even talking about???


Healthier to house them together because it's HEALTHIER to heat one cage....

that HAS to be the lamest thing I have EVER heard!

It has NOTHING at all to do with being RICH...If you get a pet...of ANY kind...you should be able to provide it with the absolute BEST care possible. If you can't then you shouldn't own it! and further more.....if your pockets are steadily decreasing...maybe you shouldn't own pets.

That doesn't mean buying the most expensive of everything...hell...I have cool whip containers and chinese food dishes for hides....I have r-maid tubs that cost WAY less than ANY aquarium!





:soapbx:


Now...if someone would like to give me a real benefit in housing multiple bp's I am waiting to hear them...

:)

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Originally Posted by serpents-prey

excuse me! thats bs i keep them together because its healthier to heat one cage as opposed to heating two cages in the winter. the fact that you don't get this obviously means that one your a stuck up rich person or two you have money to blow. as for the rest of us we have to pay for some of this stuff out of our own ever decreasing pockets so yes saving a buck or two matters to me you :soapbx:

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Wow, just wow that's all i have to say...i think my IQ just dropped

1. Explain how it's healthier? healthier for who? cuz that made absolutley NO sense

2. Rich? if you can't afford to keep your snakes then don't get them if you can't provide for them properly i know people that are far from rich that have bp's all housed seperatley and can afford to feed them no problem.

3. I agree with most of the people here, why would you come on this forum and ask for an opinion from people that have been keepping these animals for YEARS and then turn it down and go down your own path. I'm relatively new to this forum and i take advice from the people here because i know they're much more experienced than me (atleast most of them) and i don't try to argue with them whether they're right or wrong, I just take the advice...cuz chances are THEY'RE RIGHT.

I give up. obviously you are housing your snakes together and are not taking any heed of what experienced people here are telling you. We tried being nice; we tried backing up our reasoning with true facts. So I give up. Poor snakes.

ah yes the health benifit is this i have a 32 gal. tank they're both in i also have a 55gal. tank that the larger bp was in i only have 2 uths so it was one apiece. by putting them in together in the 32 gal. tank and dividing it 1 i saved money because i didn't need another uth and 2 because they both live in a smaller area it is easier to keep temp and humidity up this is my reason for keeping my snakes in the same divided tank

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Originally Posted by serpents-prey

this is my reason for keeping my snakes in the same divided tank

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you never stated the tank was DIVIDED...but if it is soooo much easier...than why is there a thread right now that your snake possibly has a RI?

You are giving out advice and you don't even know what you are talking about.

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Originally Posted by serpents-prey

ah yes the health benifit is this i have a 32 gal. tank they're both in i also have a 55gal. tank that the larger bp was in i only have 2 uths so it was one apiece. by putting them in together in the 32 gal. tank and dividing it 1 i saved money because i didn't need another uth and 2 because they both live in a smaller area it is easier to keep temp and humidity up this is my reason for keeping my snakes in the same divided tank

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So they are not kept together :rolleye2:

This post is about housing multiple BP TOGETHER in one enclosure and the question was, what benefit do they get from it?

Not what are the benefits of housing 2 BP in a divided tank?

People are not criticizing, divided tanks but multiple housing, so you jump on Skiploder for no reason :colbert:

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Originally Posted by serpents-prey

this is not necessarily true a exotics petstore in crestwood missouri houses all snakes seperate and all of they're animals are quite active the beardies like to climb everywhere and the snakes seem genuinely happy. not *raises head* oh another human *falls asleep*

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Key words here "pet store",how many pet stores properly house thier reptiles? VERY FEW if any :mad:.I rate this entire thread A WASTE of our sites server :mad:.This is to the original thread poster,if your snakes become sick dont come asking us for help.I suggest you contact that other person who is worse then any petco i have ever seen(can we guess who i am speaking about?:P) I feel sorry for your reptiles :mad:

ok my bad skiploder i misunderstood that. sry for being a stuck up brat.