RIP Sevirus

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Originally Posted by beer12

it was yes but dont u think its kinda odd that he falls like 3 inches and dies.. either theres sumthing rong with him n he had like a heart attack on the branch or the owner had sumthing to do with it on accident and cant admit it.. i said sry for the loss n i mean it but its just odd that it would die

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Yes, how unlikely it is or sounds like a fall from a small height like this may have caused his sudden passing, but it is still possible. You don't know, no one knows. You are not only making an accusation but an assumption. We all know what happens when you assume things, right guys?

Only an autopsy could reveal such things. They also say that you can drown from less then an inch of water. Sounds unlikely, but it is possible. So before you start accusing others of abuse or neglect think of your statements. At the time of loss it is a time for sympathy, compassion, and support to help one get over this hard point in life.

Like a couple had said, what if it was you? What if your pet died unexpectedly, and it seem like they passed from an unusual circumstance, yet someone accused you that their demise was your fault?

sevirus669: Sorry to hear about your loss. I know it is a hard thing to deal with. But don't lets this discourage you from moving on and getting another pet.

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Originally Posted by bearhart

What sort of husbandry issue do you think could have been responsible for the scenario describe here?

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Before you quote me, maybe you should read my first post on the subject. There are still numerous other things that could have caused the demise of this snake and not the assumed fall.

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Originally Posted by MPenn

But, ...... I would like to add that it is highly unlikely that he died from a fall. I have heard stories of snakes that got dropped from much higher surfaces or slung across the room when someone accidently panicked when they were bit, and no detrimental effects. I would have reason to believe that it could have been a husbandry issue. Where did you buy him from??? Did you happen to have any chemicals on your hands or fuming through the room?? What kind of substrate did you use???
Many questions here that could hold the answer other than your deduction.

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I get the impression you feel like I'm somehow twisting your words, which I don't think I am. You clearly said you have reason to believe that it could have been a husbandry issue. That is why I asked you what sort of husbandry issue you think could have been the cause. You think it might have been chemical poisoning?

Sevirus,

So sorry for your loss.... I would never have believed how much you can be attached to a BP until I got mine.

I can tell that you are the kind of person that cares deeply about your animals, and I would encourage you to open up your heart to another one when you're ready. People like you are few and far between, and I would hate for any pet to miss out on the kind of care and love you would give it. Just try to remember the good times with him, and never forget him. :)

Either way, you're in the right spot- 99% of BPnetters are great people that will be here to help if you decide to get another one, or just to talk if you need to.

Take care,

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Originally Posted by bearhart

I get the impression you feel like I'm somehow twisting your words, which I don't think I am. You clearly said you have reason to believe that it could have been a husbandry issue. That is why I asked you what sort of husbandry issue you think could have been the cause. You think it might have been chemical poisoning?

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That is one scenario. There are many others. Did the temp spike?? Was he exposed to high heat for a brief amount of time?? Was the heat regulated by a thermostat? Was there fumes from paint, cedar, or another possible toxic in the air or on the OP hands??
Like I said, I would hate for Sevirus to miss out on the opportunity to enjoy another wonderful ball python. The main thing now would be trying to rule out all the possible causes as to the demise of the first one before putting another one into the same situation and/or environment.

For MPenn: I work with food (chef) so I dont come into contact with any substances ect. that would be harmful to people or animals, plus I have a bit of an obsissive compuslive thing when it comes to hand washing.

Subturate: Aspen, what he was kept on his entire life, even before i got him.

Breeder: A friend of mine who had his 2nd ever clutch, gave me one hatchling in exchange for some work i did for him.

Sorry for the slow response, been out of town at chef conference in AZ

And I hate to say this again but apparently I must after reading the posts of all these amateur detectives.

THIS IS A POST OF REMEMBERANCE!!!!! IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS PULL OUT THE OLD WEBSTER'S AND LOOK IT UP. BEERS DONT EVER POST ON ONE OF MY THREADS AGAIN!!! MPENN I HAVE INVESTED ALOT IN MY SETUP AND IT GOES A LITTLE SOMETHING LIKE THIS:

-Thermostat by ZooMed
-2 digi timers attached to thermo one day white light and one night red light
-75watt red and white bulbs red on from 7:00pm til 7:00am white on from 7:00am til 7:00pm
-Aspen substrate
-water dish (duh)
-2 snug hides one on each side
-digi thermometer on bask side reading 90F for 5 days straight
-digi thermometer on cool side reading 83F for 5 days straight
(times are longer actualy but you get the idea)
-Housed in seperate room of my house away from noise ect.

DO YOU WANT ANY MORE INFO BRO?

Oh yeah, digi hygrometer/thermometer for ambiant temp and humidity 55% constant

What source for the rodents? WAY back in the day when I was a teen, I had a nearly year-old male sinaloan who was healthy, active, growing, and thriving. Temps and everything were fine. He had been vetted and checked clear of parasites over 6 months earlier. I was out of frozen mice, so I bought him a live pet store mouse, prekilled it, and he ate it readily.
The next day he was simply dead.

To this day, I'm convinced that the pet store had retrieved an escaped rodent and tossed it back into the bin. Many pet stores set rat poison out as a matter of course, to deal with escapees. I'll never know for certain, as an autopsy wasn't affordable at the time, but that's one possible explanation. The only variable was the mouse. I've never completely trusted pet store mice since then.

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Originally Posted by sevirus669

And I hate to say this again but apparently I must after reading the posts of all these amateur detectives.

THIS IS A POST OF REMEMBERANCE!!!!! IF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS PULL OUT THE OLD WEBSTER'S AND LOOK IT UP. BEERS DONT EVER POST ON ONE OF MY THREADS AGAIN!!! MPENN I HAVE INVESTED ALOT IN MY SETUP AND IT GOES A LITTLE SOMETHING LIKE THIS:

-Thermostat by ZooMed
-2 digi timers attached to thermo one day white light and one night red light
-75watt red and white bulbs red on from 7:00pm til 7:00am white on from 7:00am til 7:00pm
-Aspen substrate
-water dish (duh)
-2 snug hides one on each side
-digi thermometer on bask side reading 90F for 5 days straight
-digi thermometer on cool side reading 83F for 5 days straight
(times are longer actualy but you get the idea)
-Housed in seperate room of my house away from noise ect.

DO YOU WANT ANY MORE INFO BRO?

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sevirus, I think the vast majority of the questions are based on the desire of all the snake-lovers here to know how this horrible thing could have happened. I don't think the desire comes from a need to assign blame, but from a need to add something that makes sense to our collective knowledge. Its important information to know for everybody's snake's sake.

I do appreciate the interest in this case. Mice were live then killed from a local pet store so who knows. If anyone can find any weaknesses in my setup I would love to know what they think, before i get another Ball. I do thank everyone though for their input and appologize that i couldn't post the info you were looking for sooner.

Its really quite a mystery. The only explanation that I can think of is that your poor little guy was already sick and just not showing it.

I wonder if BP's having something like Sudden Infant Death Syndrome? We had a kitten that seemed totally healthy die in its sleep just this year. That was at the time of the Chinese pet food poisoning so we guessed that was it. But I've seen that sort of thing before.

Perhaps it was just a freak accident or a stealthy disease.

Just one off the wall thing: does anybody else live with you that had access to him? I hate to sound like a corny detective but I would hate for you to think it was somehow your fault when it wasn't. Could it have been an accident that somebody just can't bear to tell you about?