NERD Lemon vs Graziani Pastel

I like the screamers and really dont like the washed out pastels, though I have not seen them in person. I agree that White Diamond has produced some of the best pastels ever.<---Period

I like the first Graziani from the previous post, and I am surprised how well it has kept color.

As for the previous post about mojo/lesser/butter, I know they can all be crossed to produce Blue Lucy's, but I dont think there is a difference between lesser and butter, but that Mojo is a separate morph that happens to also carrie the gene on the same locus as the Butter/Lesser.

I have NERD, Graziani, and Bell line pastels. Personally, I like Bell line pastels best, then NERD second, and Graziani last. I like Bells the best because they have more pinks and oranges to them. NERD's are very yellow and black, and Graziani's are more brown with a lot of blushing.

i prefer graziani.
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...cture082-1.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...Picture085.jpg
they have a sence of humor

Constrictors Unlimited Lemon Pastel.

Why? They have more pictures, you can look at them online, and they are absolutely stunning. They're actually NERD Lemon Pastels, HOWEVER unlike NERD CU actually updates its site and has current price listings. You can see them when they are old enough to be sold, unlike NERD who almost never update their site and I'm assuming you have to contact them for anything. There is no real ability to window shop there and, well... I find it really annoying when I check their site.

CU's site and section on Lemons:

http://www.constrictors.com/Collecti...allPython.html

Also, they don't have any at the moment and I'm waiting for an email back about when they will be available. But man they are beautiful.

holy cow the patterns on the girl you have are so clean and well defined nice nice nice

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Originally Posted by mricyfire

I would say Lemons...but only with tons of blushing...

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100% agree! Thst is actually what i'm getting next at an expo

Supposedly, the Graziani line of Pastel should have a high level of blushing, and the black, more faded. The Lemon line should have darker black, which might make for a nicer contrast with the yellow.

The Lemon Pastel, in my opinion, is a marketing strategy. I really do not think they are any more or less desireable than any other Pastel.

The Enchi is not really a Pastel, at least not in the sense we are discussing here.

The only Pastel I would pay a premium for is a Stonewashed Ruppel Pastel.

If you are looking to buy, you are probably going to be dissapointed with 90% of the Pastels you would buy, as a baby, once it reaches adulthood. My advice, buy a Ruppel, or buy a nice looking adult, since you know what it will continue to look like. OR, your best bet, buy a Pastel cross...most are stunning....Sulfur, Vanilla, Fire crosses.

Dave

Can some one help me identify my pastel please? what line do you think he is?
Does he look like a graziani?
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x...1/IMG_0388.jpg

correct me if i'm wrong but isnt there just no way of telling unless the breeder tells you?

If wouldnt even know what to guess tho cause i'd say graziani from the blushing but lemon from the color...maybe just a non-faded graziani?

Heres the thing. The "lines" of pastels are merely animals that were line bred for a specific trate. To say that a Lemon can't have loads of blushing or that one from Greg's line can't be a screaming yellow snake isn't true.

Unless you bought your animal from a breeder that is working with a direct line and breeding to maintain that lines looks then its not a NERD Line Lemon or a Bell Line or a Graziani Line.. It's just a pastel.

That doesn't mean it isn't as good an animal as the "line" bred..it just means that the breeder bred a Pastel and you bought a pastel.

Anyone ever seen New World Exotics "Yellow Jackets"?
Bottom of the page http://www.nextworldexotics.com/ballpythons.htm
Those are pretty bomb.

and so are White diamon reptiles lemon pastels.

YouTube - Super Bright Lemon Pastel 2

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Originally Posted by rabernet

Since I have a lemon, that's my preference. I also love the blondes. However, there are exceptional examples of Graziani's out there as well that I like too.


Here's why I love lemons!

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e9...nstonJune5.jpg

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that is retarded amounts of awesome!

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Originally Posted by wuldier

that is retarded amounts of awesome!

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LOL! If you liked that, here are some recent pictures of his daughter, that my friend Aaron took of her:

http://leon2ky.com/leon/trip_to_robi...robins_001.jpg
http://leon2ky.com/leon/trip_to_robi...robins_002.jpg
http://leon2ky.com/leon/trip_to_robi...robins_003.jpg

I much prefer a high quality NERD lemon pastel.

There are some stunners on this thread too.:cool:

i have a blonde,but i am lookin at either a bell or a lemon as a 2nd line,as i love thier intense yellows

I had to vote for the Graziani. I'm just a sucka for blushing and a good Graziani pastel will have tons of it. They also have a subtle orange tinge to them which is another plus for me.

My personal opinion is...it depends on what you plan to mix it with. ^_^
I would mix a Graziani with a cinnamon, but I would use a lemon to make a bumblebee.

As far as i have seen they all have their good and bad examples and each individual animal must be judged on it's own appearance rather than what line it comes from :rolleyes:

Here's a little video clip of my 1.0 Lemon Pastel (June '08) and my 0.1 Mark Bell Pastel (Jan '09). Personally I am a big fan of the Mark Bell line of Pastels. You can see why when you look at the video. The female in the video is getting close to 2 years in age, with no signs of browning out. Not trying to sound like a prick, but she's the best example of a pastel I've ever seen, especially one that's not a super.

YouTube - 0.1 Pastel as promised **Freshly Shed**

Zebra Pastel FTW!!!

http://www.roussisreptiles.com/colle...a_pastels.html

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Which are you a fan of?

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i'm not a 'fan' of any particular line...
the higher yellow the pastel, the keener i am to buy

For me, I love the dark black and bright yellow contrast. It makes for a very distinct looking pastel. On the other hand, I have seen some very beautiful pastels that have a vibrant orange that is tough to overlook!

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I had to vote for the Graziani. I'm just a sucka for blushing and a good Graziani pastel will have tons of it. They also have a subtle orange tinge to them which is another plus for me.

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This is why I like the Graziani line. I have a male pastel (unsure of the line) which looks like a Graziani due to all the blushing and the color. I like how they have a very distinct line between the lower sides and the dorsal area where the 2 colors are very different. Creamy vanilla color on the lower sides and the orange/yellow on the top. They are usully not uniform at all and look two-toned. Lemons are very nice and I like that they hold their vived yellow so well but the contrast between colors on a Graziani ha always caught my eye..


~The amount of blushing and all the star shaped markings is why I love this guy :)
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...s/DSCF1126.jpg

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2.../MsPics035.jpg

~Then my Bee is a NERD line lemon.
http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l2...s/DSCF1503.jpg
~I like having alot of variety in my collection :)

I like the patterns on graziani pastels, seems to be only pastel with a pattern built in. Blonde x graziani would be awesome!

Tough, but I'm going to have to go Graziani. I don't actually own a pastel, but from what I've seen it seems that Grazianis generally have more blushing and less contrast.

Im a big fan of the Ruppels and the blonde Lines but in truth i love them all. I have an exceptional original nerd line thats about 12 or 13 years old, That was before the lemon line was brought out and he is related to the graz line, he is very washed out and very light. I also have an awesome lemon female who is of excellent color. Blushing, crisp yellows or stone washed lookin they all look awesome in my book!!!
Thanks Eyeball:cool:

I'm into lemons. I just adore the contrast of yellow and dark black... although blushing is also something I love, it comes in second to the amount of yellow.

I love the bright colour from my Lemon Pastel :) and this girl is also my first ball :).
http://www.blackboa.de/pics/lemon.jpg

I also like my Citrus Pastel and Extreme Citrus Pastel :).
http://www.blackboa.de/pics/ecc.jpg

The blushing from some Graziani Pastels is great, but until now I have no Graziani in my collection.

Markus

this is my 1 year old vpi male http://i776.photobucket.com/albums/y...3balls/181.jpg

I'm, into the true blonde line. I also have a bell pastel that's holding her color very well too. The Graziiani line is known for it's blushing, not a big fan of this line.

I voted other because I am not familiar enough with the lines to make an informed decision, though I'm sure whatever line any pastel I get belongs to will become my favourite. :P I do, however, know what I like in a pastel: High blushing, bright yellow and clean.

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Originally Posted by PassionsPythons

Here's a little video clip of my 1.0 Lemon Pastel (June '08) and my 0.1 Mark Bell Pastel (Jan '09). Personally I am a big fan of the Mark Bell line of Pastels. You can see why when you look at the video. The female in the video is getting close to 2 years in age, with no signs of browning out. Not trying to sound like a prick, but she's the best example of a pastel I've ever seen, especially one that's not a super.

YouTube - 0.1 Pastel as promised **Freshly Shed**

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You are a prick for having such an awesome female pastel! ;) She is as nice as a super!

Whats the difference???

I like bright yellow and solid black, but I guess super pastels are better with more fading...