Big Daddy Wholesale

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Originally Posted by xdeus

Unfortunately there are a LOT of scammers and scumbags in this industry. For the most part the only thing a person has to go by when deciding to purchase from someone is their reputation as presented by previous customers. If I read a lot of negative reports from a variety of people about a breeder, why would I want to spend the time trying to get to know this person? There are way too many breeders out there to see if one person may have been wronged by a conspiratorial group of individuals.

If that does happen to be the case, then the onus is on that breeder to clear his name and defend his position from those allegations. It shouldn't be too difficult if the truth is on his side...

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I agree.

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Originally Posted by sw204me

Not to stir up the hornets nest anymore then it already is, but from what I saw at the show this weekend, and how you treated a VERY unhappy customer, I wouldn't buy from you if you were giving your snakes away. Even your "assistants" treated the poor kid like crap, if any of the breeders here felt they did wrong to a customer, I guarantee they would of done anything within reason to fix the situation. You, you literally told the guy you are done, turned your back, and walked away. Great customer service there.

I may not know you on a personal level, but I don't need to to know what I saw with my own eyes, to hear with my own ears. You are a disgrace to the herp society. I felt bad for the people looking at your table and asking you questions, I feel even worse for the people that buy from you or have in the past.

I did find it amusing that when talking with the poor guy that got screwed, he said he got online and did some research on ya and said the amount of information out there that is all negative towards you didn't shock him at all. Reputation is powerful, and it doesn't just come out of thin air, it is based on your actions, your words, it is based on you.

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You know I can understand your point of view BUT, from your other post I read that this was the first show you have ever been too. For someone who has 1.1 Bp's you really know your stuff? But there is no point in beating a dead horse you all have made your point.

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Originally Posted by ConstrAddiction

You know I can understand your point of view BUT, from your other post I read that this was the first show you have ever been too. For someone who has 1.1 Bp's you really know your stuff? But there is no point in beating a dead horse you all have made your point.

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I was standing right next to him...so from someone with a little more experience than he has...i stand behind his words. I heard the argument. I heard how pissed this customer was.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

are you serious? Are you really going to fight another persons battles and trash your own name? You're not even going about it in an eloquent well spoken manner, you're like a bull in a china shop. You're calling everyone ignorant and making outrageous claims, and I don't think your 'business' will EVER get off the ground if you don't learn something about dealing with people. Both you and Allen really need to think about your business practices, and YOU need to stop being a jerk when people are stating their opinion based on the experiences of others. I think that yes, some have good experiences with a seller and some have bad, and in THIS particular case, after reading others' experiences and reading Allen's response I will never buy from this man because 1. others had sick/badly kept snakes from him and 2. because instead of dealing with the problem he acts as though he's above it.
In my eyes, if you really think you need to take on a cause, donate to charity. Because to be quite honest, you really ruined how I will view your Contriction Addiction Reptiles, because I will always remember how you call everyone ignorant. No one on this site even bashed Allen hard, they just said from stories they heard, and there are lots of them, they wouldn't buy from him. And if you've had a good experience, post it in the BOI instead of acting like a jerk to people who know all about his bad sales in the past.

This business has to do with how people perceive you, and you have to be at least a decent guy for many to want to buy from you, so good luck with that.

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Agreed. I wont be posting anymore. I came to this forum not too long ago and i won't be back on it. EVERYONE can post there opinion but I can't express mine. Whatever. There are some very nice and pleasent people on this forum who are reputable and others who don't have a clue. Whether they think they do or not. No hard feelings toward anyone definatley since none of you know me. As far as I am concerned I don't know how Allen treats everyone else I am just saying he has been more than a friend to me. He has bent over backwards to help me in every way possible. I respect someone willing to help me. See and there again you people are so judgemental. You don't know me either. Yes I called someone ignorant no difference than what you say about allen. Just because some of my animals came from him I am not able to produce wonderful heathly animals and I am going to be on the BOI? You all have a good time. I may meet some of you at Daytona.

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Originally Posted by ConstrAddiction

You know I can understand your point of view BUT, from your other post I read that this was the first show you have ever been too. For someone who has 1.1 Bp's you really know your stuff? But there is no point in beating a dead horse you all have made your point.

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I don't think one has to own any snakes to recognize bad customer service when they see it happening.

I don't think you do understand my point. To allen, I think legitimate concerns from possibly prospective customers that go unheeded turn them into people who will never buy from you. Even though you can't please everyone, you should do what you can for the ones you can please. And to you, the only one calling anyone ignorant is you, and that will stick with you for the life of your 'business', because people will remember that.

Wow...as someone who has actually done business with Big Daddy's (Allen) I kind of feel obligated to pitch in my $.02...

About a year and a half ago while at a reptile show in PA, my wife, son, and I were checking out all the vendor booths. While checking out Big Daddy's I saw a Spider ball that was amazing looking. Healthy looking, no shakes/spins, reduced pattern. Just awesome. We made the rounds several times and I kept coming back to that spider. I asked him if I could hold him (a couple of times actually) and he gladly obliged. I held him, gave him back and thanked Allen.

To make a long story short, I really had no intention of purchasing a snake that day unless I saw a really nice normal. My wife on the other hand had different ideas. After the third or fourth time holding "Floyd", she asked me if I would like to get him. Once I came to, I began seriously considering what she said. $1k for a snake is a big expense. I was impressed with the other animals he had there. All the display cases were very clean. He had several assistants there who were happily helping people and answering questions. Allen was also very helpful and patient when working out the transaction. I also had a small tub with UTH for the transit home and extra rack space already available.

After getting home and researching Big Daddy's online, I became a bit concerned. Read the fauna posts posted earlier and you'll see why. Fortunately for me and Floyd, everything has worked out. He has been a great eater, is very healthy, and has displayed no signs of spinning. Floyd rocks and I don't regret for one minute taking him home that day.

Would I purchase from Big Daddy's again? I don't know. I'm still not sure if I just got lucky or what??? If I were seriously considering a purchase from Big Daddy's I would definitely ask Neil Golli or Michael Cole for references on how the current conditions are at Allen facilities. I trust those guys...

That is all...:rockon:

See the two gentlemen in defense of me are actually customers of mine. Who actually know what they are speaking about and are not going on hearsay from their brothers girlfriends nextdoor neighbor ladys husband who fixes their car. But by what they know. What an idea! Huh.
The angry customer this weekend was a guy whos ex-girlfriend bought a snake from me one year ago at that very show. The guy came in the show and asked if I would get the snake and his new girlfriend into the show and asked if I would be willing to work with him on trading the snake. I said sure. That was before I looked at the snake. Once inside the show and at my tables I opened the container and saw the imaciated snake and began asking questions as to how the snake was housed, fed and how the snake had gotten in the condiction at the present time. He began to tell of how his ex was the one who wanted the snake when the purchase was made and how he did not know anything about reptiles.The snake was a niceraguan boa and was 2.5-3 years old. The snake was over three feet in length and was at the largest area no bigger than a nickle. He said he had been feeding it mice about once a month and went on to explain how the snake would strike at the enclosure all the time. I explained how to care for the snake to him and one of my employees did as well. He wanted to trade the snake and I would not due to the snakes condiction. He then got angry and said he was going to cause a seen at the tables. I said you don't need to because I will get Shaun that runs the show and you can show him the snake and we will go from there. He said no and was still trying to get me to trade the snake. Then he demanded his money back and at that point I said I AM DONE! I got robbie from Glades Herps and Shaun that runs the show to get involved. While I was gone the guy got hot with one of my employees and the guy who posted his comments on this situation got his part of the story. Once Shuan and Robbie looked at the snake the guy was instructed by the show promoter as to where he would be able to pick his snake up from and that was the end.
Once again we had a vet check our animals at the show as well as several other vendors and the promoter to assure the quality of our product. As stated by me before on the boi We have still not had a problem with the health, housing, cleanliness or the customer service we offer.
If you have just decided that you don't like me, I am fine with that. If you have decided you will never do business with me, I am fine with that. Also if you have decided that you will search high and low for any and every tiny little situation that might arise involving me, so you can bring it to the public for fun or talk or whatever. Just hang around. You will get your chance. See the sad part about life is that I am human. I will error. But the people who do know me and have done business with me will testify. When I am wrong, I will go out of my way to fix the problem. But when I feel that I am right I will not bend over, I do not give in when a threat is issued to put me on the boi, I will stand-up and defend my decission when I feel I am right. The lists of names I have given you guys here are not a list of my closest friends but a true list of people who have seen my facilities and can speak from what they saw. I am sure that if you take the time to call or email the people on the list you will hear comments made both in my defense and against me. For the way I lower prices and cut deals. But they can not say anything negative about the care or housing of my animals.
If the truth is what you people really want, before replying here anymore spend a few minutes checking up on this story and others before jumping on this old broken down wagon. That is if the trith is what you really want! And if the trith doesn't matter then just say whatever you want and continue to look for reasons to justify why you stay on me!
Allen Belcher

Wow that was a long read. Your description of the scene at the show is accurate and truthful, as I watched nearly all of it, just without the details. If thats the whole side of the story, as I already got his, then I will admit that I accused you wrongly and apologize. Him having the snake for a year and taking poor care of it falls on him, not you, a year is a long time. So I am sorry if I implied the snake was in horrible condition due to your error.

However, I do still feel that you and your employees could of handled the situation better and feel your customer service is lacking, which was the original reason of my first post.

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Originally Posted by sw204me

However, I do still feel that you and your employees could of handled the situation better and feel your customer service is lacking, which was the original reason of my first post.

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Honestly if I were in the same situation I would have done the same thing. They may need to work on customer service in other situations that I am unaware of but speaking of the situation you and Allen described I don't think what he did was wrong.

I can't imagine anyone willing to take back a starved snake and replace it with a healthy one that would most likely face the same treatment.

Again, I'm only speaking of this situation.

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Originally Posted by joyful girl

Honestly if I were in the same situation I would have done the same thing. They may need to work on customer service in other situations that I am unaware of but speaking of the situation you and Allen described I don't think what he did was wrong.

I can't imagine anyone willing to take back a starved snake and replace it with a healthy one that would most likely face the same treatment.

Again, I'm only speaking of this situation.

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I agree. I don't see how Allen could or should have done anything differently in this situation, as it was described.

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Originally Posted by JLC

I agree. I don't see how Allen could or should have done anything differently in this situation, as it was described.

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If it occurred as it was described. Benefit of the doubt goes to those that have earned it. From everything that has been said about Allen from multiple sources, I am not sure that he has earned it. But maybe he has cleaned up his act and is keeping his animals in good conditions now. I don't know. The proof is in the pudding as always.

well fellas its like this:
why start a bashing thread like this one has turned to!
if you dont like something you heard about allen then dont buy from him.
perhaps this will get sorted out or not but i dont think it will.
if any of this is true i hope the situations were taken care of.
im sure everyone of us has done something that probally wasnt the best for one or more of our own animals accidently before having the correct knowledge to avoid causing harm.
and as for the breeding to make money. i dont think anyone breeds just because they have nothing better to do!

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i did make a purchase this year from allen before reading this bash. sometimes things happen that you cant control like the issue with the lesser i got from allen and he was handled it very well especially when the ups idiots put her in a cooler!(insert major rant here) ill tell you what the little gal is doing great and is a pretty good feeder, but like every animal you should quarantine them(the longer the better)! really in all actuality i dont trust anyone period, but in dealings online you basically have to put yourself out on a limb and hope for the best.

bill

Thanks guys and thanks for the calls and emails from some of you as well. I appreciate the kind words from you guys who are actually customers and can speak of the facts and not hearsay. I have to admit that this kind of forum with both positive and negative feedback and questions to arrive at the facts and truth is what having a forum should be about in the beginning. Now I know that this site is owned and ran by another breeder in this industry, but I must give credit where it is due. Great job as a site. Also great job as contributors asking the right questions and really looking for the facts. I wish all of you great success in the reptile industry.
Allen Belcher

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Now I know that this site is owned and ran by another breeder in this industry.....

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Really? First I've heard of it.:confused:

It comes as a complete surprise to me I must say.:eek: Does this mean we will start getting paid? :P

Quick gimmie his name while I forge these timesheets.



dr del

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Now I know that this site is owned and ran by another breeder in this industry

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Really? Matt is too busy to be breeding reptiles at the time.....but you don't really know Matt do you?

...I figure that you are just grasping for straws in order to reply with something negative in return for having people repeat what is already public information about the way that you care for animals??

Don't beat around the bush....come out and say what you actually think instead of hinting around it....or are you just too cowardly to do so??

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Thanks guys and thanks for the calls and emails from some of you as well. I appreciate the kind words from you guys who are actually customers and can speak of the facts and not hearsay. I have to admit that this kind of forum with both positive and negative feedback and questions to arrive at the facts and truth is what having a forum should be about in the beginning. Now I know that this site is owned and ran by another breeder in this industry, but I must give credit where it is due. Great job as a site. Also great job as contributors asking the right questions and really looking for the facts. I wish all of you great success in the reptile industry.
Allen Belcher

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As one who preaches about getting facts before jumping to conclusions, I'm sure you'll appreciate learning the truth about the ownership of BP.net.

The owners are the admin team. Matt (Smulkin) who has a lot of snakes but does not sell any and who is currently on sabatical from the site. Myself, who has a couple of snakes and might actually breed and sell some someday. Raj (Iceman25) who has one snake. Robin (rabernet) who has several snakes and occasionally sells one but has not yet bred any. And Emily (mlededee) who mostly breeds geckos and sells some of those. We are the people who own this site and who run it and make the decisions about what goes on around here.

If you hear anything differently....then someone is telling stories.....just like you fear others are doing about you. ;)

From what I understand this site is not owned by any big breeder but there is loyality to those who have given countless hours of help, advice and concern for animals and their owners, most of whom they have never met or may never meet.

This genuine concern for these beautiful animals has given them an excellent reputation among this community that many of us(including myself) would like to have as well one day. I am not a fan of negativity or bashing but when I plan on spending thousands of $ on an animal I can only go by what I research and make the my desicion based on that. Someone asked for info and they were given some damaging threads that have been posted in the past. The photos and comments were far from flattering and therefore opinions are based on that.

Like someone said earlier when purchasing online one takes a great risk so we can only go by what we learn online as well. If this info is not true my question would be why would someone go through the trouble of taking pictures and stated such damaging information? Personal vendetta? When I first started collecting BP morphs I was burned by the low price(not Big Daddy) and did not get what was advertised. I share my experience so hopefully that won't happen to anyone else. I don't know Allen and cannot say anything about him other than what I read in threads I was directed to.

Through out the years I have met and communicated with many people that have earned my trust and that is more important than any bargain. Sure we all want the best price, but for me, only from someone that has earned my confidence. That is what I would recomend to anyone who is thinking of buying an animal and adding them to there collection, one bad apple can hurt alot of animals. Everyone makes mistakes but it is what we do after them that shows our true character. It is unfortunate that Allen has to answer to all these threads and accusations but we are only spectators and can only go by what we see and hear. All Allen can do is try to clear it up and show that he is a resposible member of the herp world. Balls in his court. Best of luck in all you do. :sunny:

He said that the site was owned by "another breeder" not a giant money-hungry breeder, or anything else negative. I'd like to know what's so insulting about that comment, when the rest was complimentary?
And for the record, like many others, when I first joined, I assumed that Adam Wydoski owned the site, only because he's on here a lot, his ad was up top, and I saw his posts and pictures. Once I was here a while, I realized different, but I've also seen other people come on and refer to this site as "Adam's site" and such. It's not a huge insult.
It's interesting to me to see who the owners are, good people who answer questions with patience, and he's right that it's a great site where people ask questions and take positive and negative alike.
Big Daddy Wholesale has some bad rep from unsatified customers. That means a lot of folks won't buy from him. But at the same time, you have to be sure that you use facts only. The thing at the show points to the problems inherant in assumptions. If most places were presented with a starved snake bought a year ago, by an insistant non-customer who wanted ANOTHER animal in trade, do you seriously think they would exchange it? When told they needed to refund the money, do you think they would have refunded it? There was an arguement and then it was taken care of.
I hope that Allen Belcher has a clean well-run facility. Will *I* buy from him? I'm not planning to, I'd be cautious. If he continues to have customers popping up who vouch for him, his animals and his customer service, then I might change my mind. Shrug.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

Adam Wydoski.

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I'm not sure who this Wydoski fellow is....but I hear this breeder named Adam Wysocki is a pretty good guy...he doesn't own the site either. Just a guy who breeds some fancy snakes.;)

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

He said that the site was owned by "another breeder" not a giant money-hungry breeder, or anything else negative.

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The issue wasn't that anyone was being insulted, but the fact that it's flat-out wrong to say that a "breeder in this industry" (meaning someone that breeds ball pythons on a large scale and makes a profit by selling them) owns this site, when the truth of the matter is completely different. If Allen (or anyone else) wants to insist that anyone who speaks about them get their facts right...then I would expect them to do the same for those they speak about.

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I'd like to know what's so insulting about that comment, when the rest was complimentary?
And for the record, like many others, when I first joined, I assumed that Adam Wydoski owned the site, only because he's on here a lot, his ad was up top, and I saw his posts and pictures. Once I was here a while, I realized different, but I've also seen other people come on and refer to this site as "Adam's site" and such. It's not a huge insult.

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I never said anything was insulting. He complimented the site...and I do appreciate that. However...if someone is going to toss out compliments, it kind of sucks if they give credit to the wrong party....dont'cha think? ;)

A while back....I purchased a "creamsicle" corn snake from ALLEN.
- It didn't eat on its own.

I asked him if a group of young boas were BCI or BCC.
- ALLEN - "What is that?"
Boa Constrictor Imperator or Boa Constrictor Constrictor ?
- ALLEN - "I have no idea"

..........................100% personal experience. ;) ..............................................................

This site is not run or owned by a breeder, however respectable breeders give back to this community by offering their advice, which everyone is grateful for.

How about you, how do you dive back to the herp community? :confused:

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Now I know that this site is owned and ran by another breeder in this industry, but I must give credit where it is due. Great job as a site. Also great job as contributors asking the right questions and really looking for the facts. I wish all of you great success in the reptile industry.
Allen Belcher

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

He said that the site was owned by "another breeder" not a giant money-hungry breeder, or anything else negative. I'd like to know what's so insulting about that comment, when the rest was complimentary?

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It is the implication.

Implicating that things on this site are controled by the what 'another breeder' dictates and that people are attacked by the 'owners of the site' because 'another breeder' says so.

It is just a cowardly way of doing things and gets no respect from me. If he has issues with something, he should just come out and say it.....but I guess that is too much to ask from some people.

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Originally Posted by wolfy-hound

He said that the site was owned by "another breeder" not a giant money-hungry breeder, or anything else negative. I'd like to know what's so insulting about that comment, when the rest was complimentary?
And for the record, like many others, when I first joined, I assumed that Adam Wydoski owned the site, only because he's on here a lot, his ad was up top, and I saw his posts and pictures. Once I was here a while, I realized different, but I've also seen other people come on and refer to this site as "Adam's site" and such.

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I can see where people could get this impression but just because Adam helps out and advertises here means he does what we intended for people to do. Help fellow herpers and if they choose advertise. People see Adam posting and forget that Ralph's banner is also up top as is Rich's, Joe had a banner at one time too and now Jamie does. Adam and Jamie are merely breeders that really enjoy this site and the people. I really wish some of the other breeders that advertise here would be half as active.

I appoligize for the comment. Some of you are trying to read between the lines way to hard. There was nothing meant or implied by the comment. It was a compliment. Not an insult. I was not refering to any particular breeder, but simply trying to convey a bit of graditude towards the right people over this sight. Stop trying to make something out of nothing. It was just a compliment. That's all!!!
Allen Belcher

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Now I know that this site is owned and ran by another breeder in this industry, but I must give credit where it is due.

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy

I was not refering to any particular breeder, but simply trying to convey a bit of graditude towards the right people over this sight.

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oh...so thats what you were trying to say.....

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy

See the problem here is that you people admittedly don't know me. You don't know whether or not my facilities are clean! You don't know whether I breed or buy animals! You don't know why, how or for what reason I am in this business! You don't know alot!!!
So here's a small list of people who do know these answers. How about take half as much time as you waste posting on me and gossiping about me when really you don't even know me and use it constructively.
Neil Golli
Michael Cole
Josh Baer
Shawn Baer
Terry Herring
Dean Murphy
This should give you a starting point. All of these people have been to my facilities. Some were announced and some weren't.
SEE IF THE TRUTH IS WHAT YOU PEOPLE REALLY WANT, WHY DON'T YOU ASK SOMEONE WHO REALLY KNOWS?
But if the truth from (respectable breeders) as one person called Neil Golli, who has seen with his own eyes is not what you really want. Then just continue to post and gossip about what your friends grandmothers nextdoor nieghbors stepsons bestfriends brotheri-in-laws co-worker said.
Allen Belcher

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Allen I agree people shouldn't speak about things to which they have no first hand knowledge. However I have many friends some on this site some not that are true names in the biz their names will stay out of this unless they feel the need to comment. I think its low that you would have to name drop a list of people that would defend you. Yes I could pick up the phone and call every name on your list and they would all give me great rave reviews of you. And thats wonderful but what if I pick up the phone and call 10 names not on your list would they give the same review. The thing is that the things that are "rumored" about Big Daddy might be true then again they might not. I as a potential customer have to make a decision based on what I hear. Making a mistake of bringing in an IBD infected or mis treated animal is not a risk I can run. Please understand that my option of Big Daddy's business practices is based on word of mouth marketing.

Freakie frog
The list I gave are people who have been to my facilities first hand. Those are the names I offered you. But I tell you about another brain storm I had. I am going to post some adds on Kingsnake about two weeks prior to Daytona and in those adds I am going to open my facilities up to the breeders and some customers to stop in and have a look for themselves on the way to Daytona. This should clear a few things up. If you are headed to Daytona and would like to stop in, You are more than welcome.
Allen

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Originally Posted by Big Daddy

Freakie frog
The list I gave are people who have been to my facilities first hand. Those are the names I offered you. But I tell you about another brain storm I had. I am going to post some adds on Kingsnake about two weeks prior to Daytona and in those adds I am going to open my facilities up to the breeders and some customers to stop in and have a look for themselves on the way to Daytona. This should clear a few things up. If you are headed to Daytona and would like to stop in, You are more than welcome.
Allen

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Allen I would love to stop by. I had rather make my decisions based on my first hand experiances. If I make it to Daytona this year I will 100% take you up on that my friend. :rockon:

i understand you wanting people to stop by and view they way they are housed first hand. i agree this is a good way to make people see first hand how things are done there, but i can have nasty racks with many snakes in each tub ( no i do not just an example) and keep them clean for a month ( 2 weeks before and 2 weeks after) Daytona then go back to my old ways. i am going off the first hand account of an employee of yours that posted pictures of how you really take care of your animals. if you are now on the up and up and doing what is needed then i would gladly buy from you in the future but based on what we saw from a first hand source that was there and involved in the action i will not

Just wanted to add, I wasn't saying that there was anything wrong with how prominant Adam was on this site, just saying at one time there was a lot of Adam visually, so first impression was that it was "his" site.
I love how active SEVERAL members are here, including Adam, and I've bought from Adam, loved the snakes and THE SERVICE.
Sorry I mistyped your name too... I mistype a lot sometimes. Meant nothing by it, just me making mis-steaks.
Personally this is one of the top reptile sites online as far as I've seen. It's because most of the time people base things off facts, and look at things from all angles.
FACT: BigDaddyWholesale has had issues in the past.
FACT: A lot of us depend on prior customers' experiances to base whether to buy or to not buy from any one dealer.
FACT: BigDaddyWholesale has to rebuild his rep, before a lot of folks will buy from him, regardless of low pricing.
Wolfy

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Originally Posted by daniel1983

It is the implication.

Implicating that things on this site are controled by the what 'another breeder' dictates and that people are attacked by the 'owners of the site' because 'another breeder' says so.

It is just a cowardly way of doing things and gets no respect from me. If he has issues with something, he should just come out and say it.....but I guess that is too much to ask from some people.

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In my opinion he came into this discussion and faced those who had planned on speaking on the man thinking he would never see this. He did, he spoke his piece, and here we are. I see nothing cowardly in that... it's easy to pour salt in someone's kool aid when they're not looking.
I'm not saying I believe the doode, I support him or none of this that or the other. I've read some of the other threads on him and his business, I've never met doode or seen his facilities. There's two sides to every story, I'll reserve my judgement on the man...

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Originally Posted by Jae iLL

In my opinion he came into this discussion and faced those who had planned on speaking on the man thinking he would never see this. He did, he spoke his piece, and here we are. I see nothing cowardly in that... it's easy to pour salt in someone's kool aid when they're not looking.
I'm not saying I believe the doode, I support him or none of this that or the other. I've read some of the other threads on him and his business, I've never met doode or seen his facilities. There's two sides to every story, I'll reserve my judgement on the man...

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98% of the time breeders are told when there is a BOI type post about them by a previous customer, so I don't believe you're correct in saying that at all. There are two sides to every story, and you can't please everyone, but I think from the first posts allen made in this thread he handled the situation poorly, now I can't say whether or not he's improved since I have more important things to do with my life than read this thread, but at first at least it could have been handled better. But whatever, what's done is done.

Quote from Comment left with Neg rep:

"Why are you always defending the scum bags when there are so many decent hard working breeders out there with absolutely no customer complaints? It's attitudes like yours that keep people like Big Daddy around soiling our hobby."

Since you didn't leave a name, I thought I'd respond here.
I stated, use facts. I stated that BigDaddy has bad rep and needs to work on it. I've supported the good guys.
If it's "supporting the scum bags" to say "Use facts in your arguments" then I guess I must support a lot of scumbags.

I don't really care about the neg point. I care more that the comment wanted to imply I support Big Daddy as a seller, and don't support the other breeders that have no complaints. If they read my post, they'd see what I said.

Shrug. Some folks can't have a discussion. They have to insist everyone think their way.
Wolfy
P.S. Why didn't I see the Big Daddy at FIRE? I swear someone posted a pic of the booth with banner, but sunday I couldn't find it, and was wondering if he packed up or took down the banner? I wanted to see for myself what the people were like, and see what the animals looked like. Just wondering why I couldn't find it?

WOW. my day has been just blown away! Reading the BOI for hours, now here. If you can't have first hand experience, then reputation is all you can go off of. And unfortunately, I dont like his rep. just my 2 cents.

Since this thread is here to stay i will add recent proof that Allen should not be trusted.I basicly caught him telling two lies about the supposed reasons no one likes him.He also refuses to explain the IBD problem he has in his collection(whether wholesale or personal).With this info showing his "could care less" attitude i think it shows his true self :mad:.So in my opinion he should be avoided BIGTIME! So here is a link to a recent discussiong here. http://www.ball-pythons.net/forums/s...356#post687356