Man feeds puppy to boa.. wait... what?

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Originally Posted by darkangel

Can we all agree the guy is a piece of crap?

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I'm with you on that one.

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Originally Posted by Gooseman

I believe that is a given. It's mostly an argument about whether or not it's any more a case of animal cruelty than any other feeding.

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Exactly.

What sucks is that this case has the potential to set a MAJOR precedent in the legal system. What would stop someone for being prosecuted for the next "cute" animal feeding - rabbits for example? People have been arrested for animal cruelty when they neglect rabbits and other small mammals...

It was brought up about them feeding on dogs in the wild....I simply answered. Nothing meant by it, just my opinion.....

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

I think this is going off track.

First of all we aren't talking about an animal in the wild and nobody here has disputed that they think it is cruel "in the wild" however....In these here United States they don't "normally" eat wild dogs.

And furthermore...this was not a wild dog that even had a chance in hell of getting away from the snake it was a helpless puppy that had a stupid owner!

just sayin'

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Originally Posted by Gooseman

I believe that is a given. It's mostly an argument about whether or not it's any more a case of animal cruelty than any other feeding.

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and i kinda agree here too, because i have to say, if i found that guy in a dark alley, he'd likely not walk away, because he's an idiot on both the puppy feeding, and the treatment of the snake. but i'm not quite sure what he's getting 90 days for?

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

It was brought up about them feeding on dogs in the wild....I simply answered. Nothing meant by it, just my opinion.....

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I wasn't pointng the finger at anyone in particular.

i was just sayin.

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

i was just sayin.

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That will be $10. Please see my signature...

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Originally Posted by Gooseman

I believe that is a given. It's mostly an argument about whether or not it's any more a case of animal cruelty than any other feeding.

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That is a really hard question... In my mind, it's simple to answer, but that doesn't translate well into legal issues now does it. Different countries have different generalized feelings about the animals that they revere and those they have less use for... but if you spell it out in black and white, it would really suck to have to say 'I don't give a crap about that rabbit but dogs are ok by me.' Can of worms...

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

and i kinda agree here too, because i have to say, if i found that guy in a dark alley, he'd likely not walk away, because he's an idiot on both the puppy feeding, and the treatment of the snake. but i'm not quite sure what he's getting 90 days for?

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So your going to kill/hurt him for feeding a puppy to a snake but you don't understand why he is getting jail time? I don't get it.

Because it's socially unacceptable, however to label feeding off a puppy as any more cruel than feeding off a bunny is ridiculous. I think thats his point. Same as mine.

i was more sayin, if i was there i woulda done something about it because i don't condone feeding a puppy to anything, but im not really sure how exactly the law factors into this, it just doesn't make sense. I didn't really finish that thought, because i was thinking of my puppy and i meant to put that in there and i'm rather attached to my animals, so if someone was feeding him... anyway, i just don't understand what exactly he's in jail for.

Cruelty to animals refers to treatment or standards of care that cause unwarranted or unnecessary suffering or harm to animals.

as defined by Wiki.

Now in my eyes the reason was

He used a puppy for prey, had 2 kids watch, coated the puppy in oil and fed it to his neglected snake.

Seriously...90 days.

All animals whether they are prey or not should be treated with respect. and this one wasn't.

If you do it merely for entertainment...it's wrong.



**I have never had to coat my prey in oil before feeding. ;)

He's in jail because supposedly companion animals go through more grief than prey animals during death/feeding and as such it's animal cruelty. Which I don't agree with.

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

**I have never had to coat my prey in oil before feeding. ;)

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I sometimes coat myself in oil before feeding.

Feeding a puppy being more cruel....


I could see how a dog would show more emotion, understanding, and "love" towards a human, compared to a rat, mouse, rabbit, or guinea pig. Towards being more cruel in a pain type way, it may not be. However the fact is if this is morally right or wrong....and simple fact is it's wrong. Dog's aren't being bred for feeders. They aren't being posted for $2.50 a pound to feed your giants or what have you. They're kept, produced, and such as pets and companions. This is what separates it!

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I sometimes coat myself in oil before feeding.

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Kentucky Fried Glass.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I sometimes coat myself in oil before feeding.

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lemme find out!

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I wonder whether this puppy was a stray or whether he got it from somewhere (like an adoption) under the guise that he would be providing it a good home. It doesn't mention in the article. It's not like you can go to the store and ask for a box of feeder puppies.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I sometimes coat myself in oil before feeding.

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Nasty man.:8:

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

lemme find out!

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Daytona baby!

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Originally Posted by darkangel

It's not like you can go to the store and ask for a box of feeder puppies.

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And people complain about the cost of feeder rats!!

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

Cruelty to animals refers to treatment or standards of care that cause unwarranted or unnecessary suffering or harm to animals.

as defined by Wiki.

Now in my eyes the reason was

He used a puppy for prey, had 2 kids watch, coated the puppy in oil and fed it to his neglected snake.

Seriously...90 days.

All animals whether they are prey or not should be treated with respect. and this one wasn't.

If you do it merely for entertainment...it's wrong.



**I have never had to coat my prey in oil before feeding. ;)

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This guy only got a cruelty to animal charges because it was a puppy rather than a bunny. Which is a shame because that is cruelty to animals even to the bunny. I'm sure you'd agree with me on that point.

However by definition of "unwarranted or unnecessary suffering or harm to animals" I don't see why the companion animal should legally be above prey item. Because the suffering is the same for both.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

Daytona baby!

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63 DAYS!!!

yea baby!

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

He used a puppy for prey, had 2 kids watch, coated the puppy in oil and fed it to his neglected snake.
Seriously...90 days.
All animals whether they are prey or not should be treated with respect. and this one wasn't.
If you do it merely for entertainment...it's wrong.

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i agree all animals should be treated with respect. but so... the problem is the way he went about it? of was he judged based on his morality?

because i agree with ben, now although i love puppies, i don't see how the dogs suffering was someone more important than that of a rat or rabbit. I think it was morally wrong and he's a creep, but i don't think that's punishable by jail time.

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Originally Posted by monk90222

Kentucky Fried Glass.

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Bam! Delicacy...

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

i agree all animals should be treated with respect. but so... the problem is the way he went about it? of was he judged based on his morality?

because i agree with ben, now although i love puppies, i don't see how the dogs suffering was someone more important than that of a rat or rabbit. I think it was morally wrong and he's a creep, but i don't think that's punishable by jail time.

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Would you rather them restrict the ownership of our reptiles to keep it from happening again, or put this guy in jail for what he deserved? In my eyes, he did deserve it. Tell me this....ever have your rat or rabbit bring you the newspaper, play with your kid like another child would, protect your family when someone broke into your house or attacked a family member?....the list could go on and on....Its not based solely on what pain, or suffering the animal went through. It's based on morals and how it was morally wrong...

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

63 DAYS!!!

yea baby!

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Aww sookie sookie now!

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Originally Posted by jglass38

I sometimes coat myself in oil before feeding.

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that right there is a mental image i did NOT need haha

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

Feeding a puppy being more cruel....


I could see how a dog would show more emotion, understanding, and "love" towards a human, compared to a rat, mouse, rabbit, or guinea pig. Towards being more cruel in a pain type way, it may not be. However the fact is if this is morally right or wrong....and simple fact is it's wrong. Dog's aren't being bred for feeders. They aren't being posted for $2.50 a pound to feed your giants or what have you. They're kept, produced, and such as pets and companions. This is what separates it!

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This is what serparates it as socially unacceptable, however as you stated the pain is the same, so labeling it as animal cruelty is misleading in my eyes.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

that right there is a mental image i did NOT need haha

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It wasn't meant for you, buddy! Only for the ladies...

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

Would you rather them restrict the ownership of our reptiles to keep it from happening again, or put this guy in jail for what he deserved. In my eyes, he did deserve it.

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they're probably going to try to tighten restrictions anyway, so how does one more perverted individual going to jail change that? there's still going to be plenty in the world

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

Would you rather them restrict the ownership of our reptiles to keep it from happening again, or put this guy in jail for what he deserved. In my eyes, he did deserve it.

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He deserves the animal cruelty charges for the way he treated the prey, not because the prey was a puppy. It being a puppy should only add to his grotesque image and not jail time.

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Originally Posted by Gooseman

He deserves the animal cruelty charges for the way he treated the prey, not because the prey was a puppy. It being a puppy should only add to his grotesque image and not jail time.

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SO if someone oiled up a rat they should go to jail also?

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

they're probably going to try to tighten restrictions anyway, so how does one more perverted individual going to jail change that? there's still going to be plenty in the world

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Perhaps keeping him from doing it again? Why put a murderer in jail, if there's going to be more on the streets and in the world?....

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Originally Posted by Gooseman

This guy only got a cruelty to animal charges because it was a puppy rather than a bunny. Which is a shame because that is cruelty to animals even to the bunny. I'm sure you'd agree with me on that point.

However by definition of "unwarranted or unnecessary suffering or harm to animals" I don't see why the companion animal should legally be above prey item. Because the suffering is the same for both.

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Do you not see that it is also noted that the snake was neglectd???

I mean that alone is animal cruelty.

and how do you know they did it because it wasn't a bunny???

Seems like you only reflect back to the "they do it in the wild" theory which clearly is not the case here.

I have fed my RTB bunnies but they get respect while in my care.

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Originally Posted by jglass38

That will be $10. Please see my signature...

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Pure genius!

Ps. I would like to have permission to use your copyrighted material please :D

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

Perhaps keeping him from doing it again? Why put a murderer in jail, if there's going to be more on the streets and in the world?....

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well touche...
yes, he won't be doing that again, but that has no effect on other people doing it, that was more where i was headed with that. i was more saying there will be others that will do stupid things and help ruin the reputations or reptiles and their owners.

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Originally Posted by daaangconcepts

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Pure genius!

Ps. I would like to have permission to use your copyrighted material please :D

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For you, no problem!

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Originally Posted by monk90222

SO if someone oiled up a rat they should go to jail also?

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or they might oil up a hamster while in jail...

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Originally Posted by jglass38

For you, no problem!

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o but I gotta pay.

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

o but I gotta pay.

:hmm:

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Stalker has already let me use a bunch of her coined terms that start with "the" :)

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

Do you not see that it is also noted that the snake was neglectd???

I mean that alone is animal cruelty.

and how do you know they did it because it wasn't a bunny???

Seems like you only reflect back to the "they do it in the wild" theory which clearly is not the case here.

I have fed my RTB bunnies but they get respect while in my care.

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this all just means you're a decent person, and not a scumbag like the guy in question. but how many cases of animal abuse against reptiles are ignored just because they're reptiles. very few people care enough to go out of their way to help a snake, and i've definitely been to shops that i know have been reported to the authorities, and i know have been checked, but because they only have hamster, rats reptiles, fish etc and not cats and dogs no one cares.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

well touche...
yes, he won't be doing that again, but that has no effect on other people doing it, that was more where i was headed with that. i was more saying there will be others that will do stupid things and help ruin the reputations or reptiles and their owners.

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How so? One person see's that you get jail time for it...they see that this man was put in jail for feeding a dog to his snake. It could very well make them think twice about doing this...

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

Do you not see that it is also noted that the snake was neglectd???

I mean that alone is animal cruelty.

and how do you know they did it because it wasn't a bunny???

Seems like you only reflect back to the "they do it in the wild" theory which clearly is not the case here.

I have fed my RTB bunnies but they get respect while in my care.

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Meme... In the very post you quoted I said he deserved animal cruelty charges. I just only feel it's getting such attention because a puppy was involved. If he had been feeding a rabbit the SPCA/PETA would have blown it off as just another trick to get your snake to eat, which I feel is wrong and my main beef with this thread. As I mentioned earlier in the thread I stated that if I ever saw this person I would end up on the 6 o'clock news. And I only mentioned the wild in jest once when Susan stated that dogs are not a natural food item. I have never "gone back" to the wild argument. And I am not calling anyones practices into question, I have not attacked anyone for their beliefs I have just offered why I feel the way I do and continuosly explain myself when people keep asking me why. I have no doubt that the people on this forum let alone you have animals best interests at heart and take extreme care of their animals, whether it's your snakes or food items you personnaly breed.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

this all just means you're a decent person, and not a scumbag like the guy in question. but how many cases of animal abuse against reptiles are ignored just because they're reptiles. very few people care enough to go out of their way to help a snake, and i've definitely been to shops that i know have been reported to the authorities, and i know have been checked, but because they only have hamster, rats reptiles, fish etc and not cats and dogs no one cares.

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Your just skimming the surface of what your saying...

Many people buy reptiles on impulse, or with no real knowledge of them. They listen to the pet store "experts"...They're misinformed, and their animals suffer for it. There's also stubbornness. Some people look at it as they know better and they're keeping their reptile right, no matter how many experienced individuals talk to them about the subject... It's much more than just "because they're reptiles".

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

How so? One person see's that you get jail time for it...they see that this man was put in jail for feeding a dog to his snake. It could very well make them think twice about doing this...

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but there are people that think that since it's an animal it has no feelings, especially if you consider according to some of the 'experts' (some animal behaviorists and such) humans are the only things that experience emotions and pain, i've read in published papers that dogs don't respond to pain, that it's just and instinctual reaction. there are too many people who use this sort of thinking to their benefit so that they can do whatever they like to creatures so that they feel more powerful. someone who doesn't think it was wrong won't not do it because he went to jail. another thing is, most people believe they won't get caught.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

but there are people that think that since it's an animal it has no feelings, especially if you consider according to some of the 'experts' (some animal behaviorists and such) humans are the only things that experience emotions and pain, i've read in published papers that dogs don't respond to pain, that it's just and instinctual reaction. there are too many people who use this sort of thinking to their benefit so that they can do whatever they like to creatures so that they feel more powerful. someone who doesn't think it was wrong won't not do it because he went to jail. another thing is, most people believe they won't get caught.

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If dogs didn't respond to pain, then how do all these people train them? Lets say if the dog goes to the bathroom in the house, you smack it on the butt with rolled up newspaper etc?...

Sure, jail time won't stop all of them, but it sure would make a great handful think twice before doing so. Like I said, some people are just messed in the head, and if they feel they need to feed a dog/cat to their animal; they shouldn't own one...

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

this all just means you're a decent person, and not a scumbag like the guy in question. but how many cases of animal abuse against reptiles are ignored just because they're reptiles. very few people care enough to go out of their way to help a snake

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thanks.

but just because some cases get ignored doesn't mean we should have leniency for those jerks that they do catch and prosecute.


It only takes one person to make a difference.

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

Your just skimming the surface of what your saying...

Many people buy reptiles on impulse, or with no real knowledge of them. They listen to the pet store "experts"...They're misinformed, and their animals suffer for it. There's also stubbornness. Some people look at it as they know better and they're keeping their reptile right, no matter how many experienced individuals talk to them about the subject... It's much more than just "because they're reptiles".

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i agree with you completely, but then again there are a lot of people who if they treated a dog or cat the same way would turn it in, but because reptiles are considered less of an animal than a dog or cat they'll let it die and not do anything. often even the most stubborn self righteous person will give up a dog, sometimes their forced, sometimes the do it on their own, but the same person with a reptile? chances are the people around them won't care enough to make them surrender the animal.

it basically comes down to how different from us the creature is. a dog has expressive eyes, fur and is warm blooded. now consider the general populus' idea of a snake as pure evil, the recent texas thing for example... the ball pythons were going around eating children and pets... do you really think those people will care about a snake?

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Originally Posted by AndrewH

If dogs didn't respond to pain, then how do all these people train them? Lets say if the dog goes to the bathroom in the house, you smack it on the butt with rolled up newspaper etc?...

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i feel like you think i said that i agree with this... i don't, i absolutely think dogs have thoughts and have feelings, i wasn't talking about myself.

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Originally Posted by jeffnme

but just because some cases get ignored doesn't mean we should have leniency for those jerks that they do catch and prosecute.
It only takes one person to make a difference.

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i'm saying i don't think we're prosecuting him for his ill treatment of the snake, i think we're prosecuting him for feeding off a cute little defenseless puppy. which i don't agree with, i think all animals, scales fur whatever should be viewed equally by the law, but i really don't think this case is about the snake at all.

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Originally Posted by qiksilver

i agree with you completely, but then again there are a lot of people who if they treated a dog or cat the same way would turn it in, but because reptiles are considered less of an animal than a dog or cat they'll let it die and not do anything. often even the most stubborn self righteous person will give up a dog, sometimes their forced, sometimes the do it on their own, but the same person with a reptile? chances are the people around them won't care enough to make them surrender the animal.

it basically comes down to how different from us the creature is. a dog has expressive eyes, fur and is warm blooded. now consider the general populus' idea of a snake as pure evil, the recent texas thing for example... the ball pythons were going around eating children and pets... do you really think those people will care about a snake?

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If that were true, then why are there all these reptiles in reptile rescues? Why are their so many Iguana's released to animal shelters? If what your saying is true, than most people would let them starve and suffer, rather than turn them in. I've seen more dog abuse cases, than reptile. People around my neighborhood fight dogs...I don't know who it is, but they go around and steal neighborhood dogs, so theirs can "practice", then dump the bodies by the railroad tracks...I've seen people chain their dogs up outside, let them bake in the sun without water or food and let them starve/dehydrate. I've even seen someone throw their dog out of the car while they're driving down the road...