Oh snap!

It was an accident...really...I was browsing the retic section since I own 4

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Originally Posted by mischevious21

Wow, thats ironic- three differnt people joined within the last...54 minutes, and posted on this thread.. lol..

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And aint it amazing that we are all from different parts of the country?:taz:

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Originally Posted by mischevious21

Wow, thats ironic- three differnt people joined within the last...54 minutes, and posted on this thread.. lol..

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I'm not going to lie and say that it wasn't sent to me by a friend. I posted because of the opinions /advice that was given was totally incorrect for the Retic species not as a defense to anyone or anything "ironic". :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by mysnakeatemyname

It was an accident...really...I was browsing the retic section since I own 4

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Yeah what that person said, I only own 2 but at least I dont gang up on peeps for something as stupid as a large prey item!!:mad:

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Originally Posted by nsiepert@gmail.com

And aint it amazing that we are all from different parts of the country?:taz:

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No need to get all pissy- but is it NOT ironic that three differnt people joined and posted aroundthe smae time? Nothing wrong with it, I just stated that I thought it was ironic. Not a big deal.

Also, I have no idea where any of you are from... And what does it matter?

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Originally Posted by nsiepert@gmail.com

Yeah what that person said, I only own 2 but at least I dont gang up on peeps for something as stupid as a large prey item!!:mad:

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And feeding a larger prey item for some species CAN be harmful- not for a retic, perhaps, but imgine trying to feed a little corn a rat :O That would be bad...

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Originally Posted by mysnakeatemyname

It was an accident...really...I was browsing the retic section since I own 4

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And just out of curiousity- where do you put FOUR retics?? I dont even know where I would have one!! Did you custon build the enclousers? Just wondering because I just adore retics, and would love to have one- someday- only I think Id have trouble housing one!! lol. But thats awsome- if I could do it, I would :gj:

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Originally Posted by mischevious21

And feeding a larger prey item for some species CAN be harmful- not for a retic, perhaps, but imgine trying to feed a little corn a rat :O That would be bad...

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My whole point to posting what that a persons opinion was stated based on another sepcies from different parts of the world /habitat. Not from actual true Retic husbandry.

Oh and I have bred Colubrids and have had ZERO problems with feeding them a large prey item. Never had a regurge or sick snake. I have also fed large prey items to ETB's that created a small lump in the belly with zero problems also.

I'm from all over Jessika...nice to meet you. Lately I call MO. home until we're stationed again who knows where.

Yea, I understand that. And I hadnt even seen your previous post- thats cool, if you have information that others dont or are lacking, feel free to share it. No harm in eduating others :)

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Originally Posted by mischevious21

And feeding a larger prey item for some species CAN be harmful- not for a retic, perhaps, but imgine trying to feed a little corn a rat :O That would be bad...

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If you are too scared of snakes to step up to the big leagues and handle REAL SNAKES then go on trying to feed your pornsnake a rat!!:P

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Originally Posted by mischevious21

And just out of curiousity- where do you put FOUR retics?? I dont even know where I would have one!! Did you custon build the enclousers? Just wondering because I just adore retics, and would love to have one- someday- only I think Id have trouble housing one!! lol. But thats awsome- if I could do it, I would :gj:

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I build or buy some really large Vision cages. My Retics take up a bedroom and part of my garage.

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Originally Posted by nsiepert@gmail.com

If you are too scared of snakes to step up to the big leagues and handle REAL SNAKES then go on trying to feed your pornsnake a rat!!:P

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I dont even have a Cornsnake- and I'm not afraid at all, I just simply dont have the room right now, and would be unable to care for a larger snake how it should be cared for. Sure, I can handle a RTB (which I am looking into), or something around that size, but anything bigger- I'm not going to get something that I am just going to have to 'sell off' because I was dumb enough to buy something I cant keep.. But in the future, if I am able and feel ready, then I will.

And on a side note, Hello to you too, "mysnakeatemysame". Sounds fun to be moving around- but how do you do it with those huge snakes? Doesnt sound like fun- or easy.

And yea, I could see a Retic, Burmese, or even a anaconda taking up a whole room- and more easily!

SO is there any particular reason that this forum is so nice??
Makes me sad for the true keepers out there who actually feed large meals to their Retics!!

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Originally Posted by nsiepert@gmail.com

SO is there any particular reason that this forum is so nice??
Makes me sad for the true keepers out there who actually feed large meals to their Retics!!

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Dude... did you read that this is a family friendly forum?

Then if you dont like the forum- then dont come on it.

You complaining about it makes you look bad, to be honest- if its so bad then why would you waist you time on it?

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Originally Posted by nsiepert@gmail.com

SO is there any particular reason that this forum is so nice??
Makes me sad for the true keepers out there who actually feed large meals to their Retics!!

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I really wish these discussions took place in person sometimes!

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Originally Posted by reediculous

I really wish these discussions took place in person sometimes!

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I agree.. And some people need to just grow up..

Well, I'll never be back at this pornsnake forum again so you dont have to worry and get your panties in a wad anymore!!!!!!!!!!!:taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz:
Y'all can enjoy your wittel baby snakes without me.

Well... Your still on here... You can go now...

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Originally Posted by nsiepert@gmail.com

Well, I'll never be back at this pornsnake forum again so you dont have to worry and get your panties in a wad anymore!!!!!!!!!!!:taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz:
Y'all can enjoy your wittel baby snakes without me.

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don't let the door hit you.................

This is the father to my babies after a good sized meal!!!
http://pic60.picturetrail.com/VOL176.../295572488.jpg
Credit for that pic goes to Ryan Achenbach, my good friend and breeder!!

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Originally Posted by nsiepert@gmail.com

This is the father to my babies after a good sized meal!!!
http://pic60.picturetrail.com/VOL176.../295572488.jpg
Credit for that pic goes to Ryan Achenbach, my good friend and breeder!!

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What did you feed it? A goat? I mean that seriously, by the way- Im curious.

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Originally Posted by nsiepert@gmail.com

This is the father to my babies after a good sized meal!!!
http://pic60.picturetrail.com/VOL176.../295572488.jpg
Credit for that pic goes to Ryan Achenbach, my good friend and breeder!!

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What would be to big of a meal in your opinion?

If that is a "good sized" meal?

Just curious.


Mike

**nods head** yea, I honestly cant see how the snakes mouth opend THAT wide...

Well, I can but... That seems almost painful...

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Originally Posted by nsiepert@gmail.com

Well, I'll never be back at this pornsnake forum again so you dont have to worry and get your panties in a wad anymore!!!!!!!!!!!:taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz:
Y'all can enjoy your wittel baby snakes without me.

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Well since you are leaving, on the way out consider yourself cautioned, both for the multiple attempts to use inappropriate language and for the general disrespect to anyone who owns any snake other than a giant.

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Originally Posted by nsiepert@gmail.com

Well, I'll never be back at this pornsnake forum again so you dont have to worry and get your panties in a wad anymore!!!!!!!!!!!:taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz::taz:
Y'all can enjoy your wittel baby snakes without me.

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Ball python envy I love it sorry man they will be at the top for a long long time.:gj:

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Originally Posted by Emilio

Ball python envy I love it sorry man they will be at the top for a long long time.:gj:

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Only because almost anybody can own them...

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Originally Posted by mysnakeatemyname

I just joined and was browsing and came across this post ...the prey item this gentleman posted isn't overly big. Retics should not be fed like a boa or ball. They are designed to ingest a prey item 1/4 both their weight and length. That barely left a bulge in that retic in the post feeding photo, indicating a suitable size, in fact...a perfect meal.

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Originally Posted by StormDragon

^ Agreed 100%. I've owned and bred Retics for 10 years and HAVE NEVER had a retic die from eating a good sized prey item. I am new but going to say this

It's not proper to comment on something from an uneducated opinion on a species. What works for one species more often then not does not work for another

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Originally Posted by nsiepert@gmail.com

I just joined and I want to point out that this prey item is in no way whatsoever too big for a retic, they arent bp's or boas and can ingest much larger prey than either of those animals can.:snake:

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Pretty much what I've (and others) been saying from the start. But... some people think they know everything... what can ya do?

Yes, retics are capable of handling enormous meals. It's up to the discernment of each individual keeper to judge what is and isn't appropriate for their snakes.

What bothers me here is not the fact that retics are being fed large meals, but the "showboating" mentality that some people are using...showing off rather than educating fellow keepers who do not keep giants. This is a learning forum. If you're going to be a jerk instead of helping other people learn, then maybe this isn't the correct venue.

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Originally Posted by nsiepert@gmail.com

This is the father to my babies after a good sized meal!!!
http://pic60.picturetrail.com/VOL176.../295572488.jpg
Credit for that pic goes to Ryan Achenbach, my good friend and breeder!!

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Folks, keep in mind that snakes do swell up remarkably after consuming a large meal - there's a lot going on in the gut digestion-wise at this point, and it can make a snake very bloated & gassy...I doubt what you're seeing in that pic is *all* prey, but probably a combination of prey + "digestive atmosphere" going on. We've fed substantial prey items to some our big retics, and they swell CONSIDERABLY after eating a large meal, giving the appearance of having consumed an item larger than what was really fed. This is where the discernment part comes in - it is critical to monitor temps & correct environmental factors when you do feed a snake a meal of this size...if your temps are off, you're inviting problems.

Personally I don't see a huge problem with the meals those retics are being fed...yes, they are capable of eating & quickly digesting large meals, especially as younger, growing animals. I do caution against making retics exceptionally huge, fat animals (it is possible to do, especially as they mature), as obesity seems to have a very negative impact on lifespan with this species.

Also Nick, I'm a little disappointed. Usually this hasn't been your typical forum behavior, so I'm confused as to why you'd come over here & start acting like a smart@$$. You know that Ryan is also a good friend of ours...frankly I'm kind of bummed to see you toss his name in with this rash of brazen posting that doesn't seem to give a lot of thought to the subject at hand. Nick, keep in mind that this forum is primarily made up of ball python keepers. They don't have experience with retics, but they're interested in learning about herp husbandry in all aspects. Why don't you try to help everyone understand retics better, instead of belittling folks for their lack of experience? Come on...big snake keepers are facing enough problems with anti-giant legislation without having to add stuff like this to the mix. Let's do what we can to IMPROVE the keeping of large constrictors, not hurt it.

Just my $.02

K~

Thank you Kara for taking time to actually educate, rather than shock. These are the type of posts that giant owners should strive to emulate, rather than post for shock value alone.

Kara for president....

A rat colony in every garage, a snake in every room, and a chicken in every pot! Kara for prez!!!

Don't forget a monitor in every yard!

I voted this morning.... twice!

Thanks Kara, Great post.

I guess I just have a problem with the "mentality" or "showboating" that goes with some big snake keepers.

Grow em fast breed em young seems to be almost a standard in big snakes. This is just my opinion so don't get all bent out of shape people.

Also when is a prey item to big? When the snake refuses it? Regurgitates it?

I'm just looking for a basis to feed my retic properly.

Thanks

Mike

I too have to agree with the post above. Some of the most responsible and informative large snake keepers rarely post on forums and those keepers that do have a the mentality of a third grader. (Much like has been shown here in this thread.)

Just because some people prefer to keep large snakes and others prefer to keep smaller snakes does not mean that they should act like complete jacka$$es. This only shows their mentality and makes others ignore any possible info that they might provide.

Many seem to think that the loudest, chest-beater wins. I often don't participate in other forums because of this. I like that BP.net isn't all about being the loudest voice, and tries to focus on simple standards, that can be fitted into anyone's methods. Also, there are new people joining everyday, and I like the fact that they feel comfortable enough to speak up, ask for help, and get set down a path of great ownership.

Sometimes we do get those people that try to beat the dead horse and rattle the cage, or just come over to tell us we suck, but this is a sight of many new people, and quite a few veterans in the hobby. I like to think that we are a close community rather than other forums with show offs and the few and far between informative posts.

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Many seem to think that the loudest, chest-beater wins.

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I guess that is the safest, cleanest, most family-friendly way of putting it! :D

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Originally Posted by mysnakeatemyname

I just joined and was browsing and came across this post ...the prey item this gentleman posted isn't overly big. Retics should not be fed like a boa or ball. They are designed to ingest a prey item 1/4 both their weight and length. That barely left a bulge in that retic in the post feeding photo, indicating a suitable size, in fact...a perfect meal.

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Hmmm i smell tuna part 1

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Originally Posted by StormDragon

^ Agreed 100%. I've owned and bred Retics for 10 years and HAVE NEVER had a retic die from eating a good sized prey item. I am new but going to say this

It's not proper to comment on something from an uneducated opinion on a species. What works for one species more often then not does not work for another

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Tuna part 2

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Originally Posted by nsiepert@gmail.com

I just joined and I want to point out that this prey item is in no way whatsoever too big for a retic, they arent bp's or boas and can ingest much larger prey than either of those animals can.:snake:

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Part 3

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Originally Posted by mischevious21

Wow, thats ironic- three differnt people joined within the last...54 minutes, and posted on this thread.. lol..

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Once again i agree somethings fishy here.I notice all 3 are offline and post one minute apart and basicly say the same stuff:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by joepythons

Hmmm i smell tuna part 1

Tuna part 2

Part 3

Once again i agree somethings fishy here.I notice all 3 are offline and post one minute apart and basicly say the same stuff:rolleyes:

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Psssst..... everyone... I bet he's suspecting me of being all three of these members...

*Time for moderators to check IP addresses*

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Originally Posted by KLG

Yes, retics are capable of handling enormous meals. It's up to the discernment of each individual keeper to judge what is and isn't appropriate for their snakes.

What bothers me here is not the fact that retics are being fed large meals, but the "showboating" mentality that some people are using...showing off rather than educating fellow keepers who do not keep giants. This is a learning forum. If you're going to be a jerk instead of helping other people learn, then maybe this isn't the correct venue.




Folks, keep in mind that snakes do swell up remarkably after consuming a large meal - there's a lot going on in the gut digestion-wise at this point, and it can make a snake very bloated & gassy...I doubt what you're seeing in that pic is *all* prey, but probably a combination of prey + "digestive atmosphere" going on. We've fed substantial prey items to some our big retics, and they swell CONSIDERABLY after eating a large meal, giving the appearance of having consumed an item larger than what was really fed. This is where the discernment part comes in - it is critical to monitor temps & correct environmental factors when you do feed a snake a meal of this size...if your temps are off, you're inviting problems.

Personally I don't see a huge problem with the meals those retics are being fed...yes, they are capable of eating & quickly digesting large meals, especially as younger, growing animals. I do caution against making retics exceptionally huge, fat animals (it is possible to do, especially as they mature), as obesity seems to have a very negative impact on lifespan with this species.

Also Nick, I'm a little disappointed. Usually this hasn't been your typical forum behavior, so I'm confused as to why you'd come over here & start acting like a smart@$$. You know that Ryan is also a good friend of ours...frankly I'm kind of bummed to see you toss his name in with this rash of brazen posting that doesn't seem to give a lot of thought to the subject at hand. Nick, keep in mind that this forum is primarily made up of ball python keepers. They don't have experience with retics, but they're interested in learning about herp husbandry in all aspects. Why don't you try to help everyone understand retics better, instead of belittling folks for their lack of experience? Come on...big snake keepers are facing enough problems with anti-giant legislation without having to add stuff like this to the mix. Let's do what we can to IMPROVE the keeping of large constrictors, not hurt it.

Just my $.02

K~

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Kara,
I was just sent a link to this mess about RKO feeding a rabbit that looked a little bit big for his retic, and dug through my pics to find the father of my babies with a serious sized meal in him.
I'm sorry I came and started posting negative stuff about bp's, I just don't see where the huge desire to own 1000.00 per foot snakes comes from.
This is my final post hereand I hope you all will accept my apology.

NicktheGreek:D

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Originally Posted by 8b8ll

Grow em fast breed em young seems to be almost a standard in big snakes. This is just my opinion so don't get all bent out of shape people.

Also when is a prey item to big? When the snake refuses it? Regurgitates it?

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That's a bit different with retics as most won't breed until they hit 3-4 years.

When a prey item is too big? No idea, perhaps when they cannot swallow it. I don't have any intentions of pushing mine to the limit though. I know retics can handle gigantic meals... but I care about mine too much to trying anything like that.

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Originally Posted by KLG

Yes, retics are capable of handling enormous meals. It's up to the discernment of each individual keeper to judge what is and isn't appropriate for their snakes.

What bothers me here is not the fact that retics are being fed large meals, but the "showboating" mentality that some people are using...showing off rather than educating fellow keepers who do not keep giants. This is a learning forum. If you're going to be a jerk instead of helping other people learn, then maybe this isn't the correct venue.




Folks, keep in mind that snakes do swell up remarkably after consuming a large meal - there's a lot going on in the gut digestion-wise at this point, and it can make a snake very bloated & gassy...I doubt what you're seeing in that pic is *all* prey, but probably a combination of prey + "digestive atmosphere" going on. We've fed substantial prey items to some our big retics, and they swell CONSIDERABLY after eating a large meal, giving the appearance of having consumed an item larger than what was really fed. This is where the discernment part comes in - it is critical to monitor temps & correct environmental factors when you do feed a snake a meal of this size...if your temps are off, you're inviting problems.

Personally I don't see a huge problem with the meals those retics are being fed...yes, they are capable of eating & quickly digesting large meals, especially as younger, growing animals. I do caution against making retics exceptionally huge, fat animals (it is possible to do, especially as they mature), as obesity seems to have a very negative impact on lifespan with this species.

Also Nick, I'm a little disappointed. Usually this hasn't been your typical forum behavior, so I'm confused as to why you'd come over here & start acting like a smart@$$. You know that Ryan is also a good friend of ours...frankly I'm kind of bummed to see you toss his name in with this rash of brazen posting that doesn't seem to give a lot of thought to the subject at hand. Nick, keep in mind that this forum is primarily made up of ball python keepers. They don't have experience with retics, but they're interested in learning about herp husbandry in all aspects. Why don't you try to help everyone understand retics better, instead of belittling folks for their lack of experience? Come on...big snake keepers are facing enough problems with anti-giant legislation without having to add stuff like this to the mix. Let's do what we can to IMPROVE the keeping of large constrictors, not hurt it.

Just my $.02

K~

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Thanks for shedding some light on a messy situation.

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Originally Posted by nsiepert

Kara,
I was just sent a link to this mess about RKO feeding a rabbit that looked a little bit big for his retic, and dug through my pics to find the father of my babies with a serious sized meal in him.
I'm sorry I came and started posting negative stuff about bp's, I just don't see where the huge desire to own 1000.00 per foot snakes comes from.
This is my final post hereand I hope you all will accept my apology.

NicktheGreek:D

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Understandable...by the same token, not everyone here understands the desire to own a "hundred foot per dollar" (ok, figuratively speaking) snake, either.

My main point here is that this isn't the type of behavior I've seen that is characteristic of you...normally you seem to be a very conscientious keeper who is VERY into his retics. Think about taking that enthusiasm & helping others learn. I know you have some awesome snakes....you should post a few pics here so we can all see why you enjoy them so much!!! :)

K~

A tuna????? :colbert: Please!!!! No offense meant Kara, and I completely understand where you are coming from in that it is good for the long time keepers to help out, but this forum and all it's threads (from what I've read) seems to be ran by newbie keepers. Yourself excluded given what company you are from. :) But what got me involved in this thread was yes because someone I know (in my opinion) was being attacked based on an uneducated opinion on the Reticulted python species. That is why I chose to speak up. I also posted on several other threads so it was not like I came here just to bite back and defend. I was also 100% unaware that others would be signing up and posting but did comment after what they had said because it was completely correct. I'm not here as a "chest beater" or whatever. I found it strange that not one person on this forum asked me ANYTHING about what I said which was 100%correct. But yet they want to learn? How can you learn if you don't ask??????

I also have no problem about helping a new keeper or species specific keepers learn somthing new. That's the way it should be done. It just really irritated me to be sent a link "to this mess" and see what people were saying. I apologize if it came off harsh but do not take back anything I said.

If you feel that you or any other mod should ban me then that's fine. I understand. But maybe others should considering knowing the species before offering up advice or an opinion on it. This thread very well could have freaked out a new Retic keeper from what was said by some of the posters. :)

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Originally Posted by nsiepert

If you are too scared of snakes to step up to the big leagues and handle REAL SNAKES then go on trying to feed your pornsnake a rat!!:P

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Didn't you just find your retic after it was lost for three weeks?

Stepping up to the big leagues are we Nick?

I'm sorry I have respect for you and think your a great guy, but was very surprised to find that you are the one behind this name and came on here bashing this place to no end.

Mike:)

Wrong person Mike....

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Originally Posted by 8b8ll

Didn't you just find your retic after it was lost for three weeks?

Stepping up to the big leagues are we Nick?

I'm sorry I have respect for you and think your a great guy, but was very surprised to find that you are the one behind this name and came on here bashing this place to no end.

Mike:)

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Things happen for weird reasons Mike, and yes I did just find Dezi two days ago.:D

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Originally Posted by nsiepert

Things happen for weird reasons Mike, and yes I did just find Dezi two days ago.:D

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Right on man.

On that note I'm glad she is back in good hands! No hard feelings brother!

Mike

Nevermind... I'm thinking someone else Mike. My apology...